Current Events World's Strongest Swordsman is OBJECTIVELY a superior title to Emperor Title
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Yeah, because he was in the center, they thought he was the leader. Given his feats or hype, they granted him the status of Yonko. According to Law, if Buggy was able to make them follow him, then he must be powerful. We see in Law's view how many characters view Buggy. So the marines making Buggy Yonko, just mean they view him stronger than Mihawk, even though he has a lower bounty since they haven't really seen him do a thing. As I said, not even Buggy is exclude since the world views him with enough power to control Mihawk and Croco.
Just as the marines gave Kidd and Law the same bounty as Luffy, since they really don't know all the details. They go by rumors, feats, hype and everything and that is how they scale everyone.
And yes, Mihawk is as dangerous as Buggy (in their eyes) or even more. And they all have their bounties inflated.
Just as the marines gave Kidd and Law the same bounty as Luffy, since they really don't know all the details. They go by rumors, feats, hype and everything and that is how they scale everyone.
And yes, Mihawk is as dangerous as Buggy (in their eyes) or even more. And they all have their bounties inflated.
Powerful? Yes. More powerful than Mihawk? Not really.
Why?
Firstly Marines never made anyone a Yonko, the general public opinion does. Look at what Kidd tells Luffy or Apoo tells Kidd after Wano.
Secondly, there exists close to zero proof that ANYONE thinks Buggy is stronger than Mihawk and there is no unwritten rule that Yonkos should be the Strongest Pirates. Buggy was thought to be the leader of the Organization & hence given the title.
Whereas to the contrary a lot of proof exists for people thinking Mihawk is stronger than Buggy and you can see that from how hes given a higher bounty. Crocodile also has higher pirating achievements & feats than Buggy yet he isnt given a higher bounty than Buggy, why is that lol? Its because they dont think Mihawk is weaker than Buggy.
Why?
Firstly Marines never made anyone a Yonko, the general public opinion does. Look at what Kidd tells Luffy or Apoo tells Kidd after Wano.
Secondly, there exists close to zero proof that ANYONE thinks Buggy is stronger than Mihawk and there is no unwritten rule that Yonkos should be the Strongest Pirates. Buggy was thought to be the leader of the Organization & hence given the title.
Whereas to the contrary a lot of proof exists for people thinking Mihawk is stronger than Buggy and you can see that from how hes given a higher bounty. Crocodile also has higher pirating achievements & feats than Buggy yet he isnt given a higher bounty than Buggy, why is that lol? Its because they dont think Mihawk is weaker than Buggy.
No no, individual strength HAS NOTHING TO DO with Yonkou title. Luffy got Yonkou position since he is a good politician who actually did a good deal, bargaining, political lobby, threatening Kaidou with economic invasion by previously setting up a trap of national debt. It all happened offscreen, behind the scenes of Wano battle. Wano battle was just a staged performance while in actuality Kaidou couldnt escape his national debt to Luffy's bankers network and economic hitmen. Again Yonkou title HAS NOTHING TO DO with individual strength.
...although it of course helps...
...although it of course helps...
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Again, I never said that one title outweighs another....
I just said that the belief that the Yonko are the "Strongest pirates" has never been supported by the manga since that's a misconception based on Garp's words from Enies Lobby that folks often use to place the Yonko on a separate pedestal. They've been called the Greatest Pirates sure, and they are at the very top of the pirating world in terms of territory, fame, influence, power etc,. It's just that they need not be among the Strongest Pirates to do so & both Buggy and Teach are perfect examples for that.
I just said that the belief that the Yonko are the "Strongest pirates" has never been supported by the manga since that's a misconception based on Garp's words from Enies Lobby that folks often use to place the Yonko on a separate pedestal. They've been called the Greatest Pirates sure, and they are at the very top of the pirating world in terms of territory, fame, influence, power etc,. It's just that they need not be among the Strongest Pirates to do so & both Buggy and Teach are perfect examples for that.
Mmm no, general public opinion is irrelevant here, Yonko status is given by the marines. Reason that Luffy was not an oficial Emperor even though people already viewed him as 1 after WCI.
While PK title indeed is give n by public opinion as Roger said.
And I am pretty sure that 7 Yonko crews (Roger, Wb, BB, Big Mom, Shanks, Luffy & Kaido) proves that Captain > Subordinates.
Put the picture of Franky in middle of Cross Guild and they won't make him Yonko, why? Because has no hype, no achievements, no feats that the World Goverment can use. While Buggy is said to rival Shanks (as he dirty talks him), has Croco under him (as rumors said he aid him), is part of the master mind of the massive Impel Down escape, and already had huge criminal organization. So he being stronger than Mihawk on the eyes of the marines is possible
But I end my argument here.
We haven't seen it happen at all. Meanwhile we see how Luffy alone is called an Emperor by Morgans while Law & Kid aren't.
Luffy was viewed as 5th Emperor post WCI, not as an actual Emperor.
In all of those 7 crews, the captains did not have a lower bounty than the "subordinates". You cannot use them here.
If they think he's stronger than Mihawk they would've simply given him a higher bounty like every other Captain-Subordinate.
Pirating achievements is not an excuse, since Crocodile ALSO has more pirating achievements than Buggy yet has a lesser bounty...
Luffy was viewed as 5th Emperor post WCI, not as an actual Emperor.
In all of those 7 crews, the captains did not have a lower bounty than the "subordinates". You cannot use them here.
If they think he's stronger than Mihawk they would've simply given him a higher bounty like every other Captain-Subordinate.
Pirating achievements is not an excuse, since Crocodile ALSO has more pirating achievements than Buggy yet has a lesser bounty...
Greatest" in Garp sentence heavily implies stronger pirates
The first part of the sentence is that they are on the same level as WB.
WB was known for his strenght as the WSM and Roger's Rival not for his territories or his crew
His crew and alliance were barely presented in MF so around an hundred chapters later as for his territories we only know 2 of them
Sphinx Island introduced around chapter 900 ( not counting the mini cover) and FI (Around chapter 600)
Moreover as we know you can't claim a territory if you aren't Younko yourself
People fears Younko so they don't mess up in those erritories
being a Warlord or ex-warlord Isn't enough Jimbei was one but pirates were still destroying the Island
He seeked for BM's help
And teach claimed WB's territories after beating Marco (so when he was already confirmed Younko)
As for the crew Aramaki destroyed that headcannon
Kaido was the only reason Marine didn't came into Wa No even WG (CP0) were affraid of Kaido's name (Orochi threatened them)
Saying Younko aren't the strongest Pirates is just false they clearly are the strongest pirates
The first part of the sentence is that they are on the same level as WB.
WB was known for his strenght as the WSM and Roger's Rival not for his territories or his crew
His crew and alliance were barely presented in MF so around an hundred chapters later as for his territories we only know 2 of them
Sphinx Island introduced around chapter 900 ( not counting the mini cover) and FI (Around chapter 600)
Moreover as we know you can't claim a territory if you aren't Younko yourself
People fears Younko so they don't mess up in those erritories
being a Warlord or ex-warlord Isn't enough Jimbei was one but pirates were still destroying the Island
He seeked for BM's help
And teach claimed WB's territories after beating Marco (so when he was already confirmed Younko)
As for the crew Aramaki destroyed that headcannon
Kaido was the only reason Marine didn't came into Wa No even WG (CP0) were affraid of Kaido's name (Orochi threatened them)
Saying Younko aren't the strongest Pirates is just false they clearly are the strongest pirates
Its a response to the premise of the thread, and what you are saying here really isnt that much different than the point I made regarding Mihawk’s individual strength being comparable to that elite group. The yonko from when they were introduced were the strongest and now it’s for certain Mihawk is up there too. My point is circle jerking the title of WSS more than it is because of “badass swordsmen” and that happens a lot on this forum
We haven't seen it happen at all. Meanwhile we see how Luffy alone is called an Emperor by Morgans while Law & Kid aren't.
Luffy was viewed as 5th Emperor post WCI, not as an actual Emperor.
In all of those 7 crews, the captains did not have a lower bounty than the "subordinates". You cannot use them here.
If they think he's stronger than Mihawk they would've simply given him a higher bounty like every other Captain-Subordinate.
Pirating achievements is not an excuse, since Crocodile ALSO has more pirating achievements than Buggy yet has a lesser bounty...
Luffy was viewed as 5th Emperor post WCI, not as an actual Emperor.
In all of those 7 crews, the captains did not have a lower bounty than the "subordinates". You cannot use them here.
If they think he's stronger than Mihawk they would've simply given him a higher bounty like every other Captain-Subordinate.
Pirating achievements is not an excuse, since Crocodile ALSO has more pirating achievements than Buggy yet has a lesser bounty...
It's a scan where the Gorosei are worried about releasing the Nika picture on the bounty poster. I never said they don't control the bounties.
There's not a single scan in the manga in which the WG makes a person "Emperor", meanwhile in those very scans - Apoo & Kidd tells us that "people call these people Emperors" & Robin also used that exact phrasing in Zou when she talked about how BB became "Emperor".
There's not a single scan in the manga in which the WG makes a person "Emperor", meanwhile in those very scans - Apoo & Kidd tells us that "people call these people Emperors" & Robin also used that exact phrasing in Zou when she talked about how BB became "Emperor".
Yonko is obviously a superior title
that doesn’t mean the WSS can’t be stronger than some Yonko
Yet Yonko is the superior title : all the previous established Yonko had a bigger bounty than Mihawk.
And the soon to be established Yonko with almost all surpass Mihawk bounty.
They have a crew, political influence, immense strength, territories etc etc
Comparing it to BB who was still green compared to Mihawk decades of established fame is none sense.
Same as comparing to Zoro. Zoro will be WSS + the right hand of the PK.
Overall Yonko is a greater title.
that doesn’t mean the WSS can’t be stronger than some Yonko
Yet Yonko is the superior title : all the previous established Yonko had a bigger bounty than Mihawk.
And the soon to be established Yonko with almost all surpass Mihawk bounty.
They have a crew, political influence, immense strength, territories etc etc
Comparing it to BB who was still green compared to Mihawk decades of established fame is none sense.
Same as comparing to Zoro. Zoro will be WSS + the right hand of the PK.
Overall Yonko is a greater title.
