Current Events World's Strongest Swordsman is OBJECTIVELY a superior title to Emperor Title
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Not really compatible titles, Pirate King included.
The pirate titles are much more about influence, territories and overall renown, rather than strenght alone, hence why we have figures ranging from Roger himself to Buggy in the power scale.
Greatest Swordsman is pretty straightforward on the other hand, strongest sword user.
Whitebeard on his prime, Kaido and maybe even BM were all probably stronger than Mihawk on a purely individual level, and for as much as people want to bitch about it Shanks is either equal or just barely below him, hence their portrayal as rivals that respect each other a lot, while Luffy and BB are probably no quite there yet.
The pirate titles are much more about influence, territories and overall renown, rather than strenght alone, hence why we have figures ranging from Roger himself to Buggy in the power scale.
Greatest Swordsman is pretty straightforward on the other hand, strongest sword user.
Whitebeard on his prime, Kaido and maybe even BM were all probably stronger than Mihawk on a purely individual level, and for as much as people want to bitch about it Shanks is either equal or just barely below him, hence their portrayal as rivals that respect each other a lot, while Luffy and BB are probably no quite there yet.
"Greatest" pirates =/= "Strongest" Pirates.
"Only political power"
"Has nothing to do with strength"
(so PK-WSM-WSC, each a great pirate, are figures that only political power "as opposed" to individual strength. Doesn't it feel strange to you?)
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"Although it of course helps"
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The post alone already has contradictions within the sentences tho. And the translator is a well-known Mihawk powerlevel supporter with a blatant Mihawk pic as his avatar, it's a bit iffy to bring this translation in powerscaling debate.
There is zero contradictions in what they claim.
You can refer the manga raws for yourself if you want to, I did & I think what they claim is very clear.
Garp, again, called them "Greatest Pirates" & not "Strongest Pirates" and that is how both Viz & Stephen Paul & this translator, translated it.
Viz:
Stephen Paul: https://web.archive.org/web/2010031...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter432.txt
Are these translations iffy? Do they have Mihawk avis or are they well-known Mihawk powerlevel supporters?
You cannot go around calling everyone biased & accusing them of mistranslation simply because the manga does not align with your views, wants & desires.
You can refer the manga raws for yourself if you want to, I did & I think what they claim is very clear.
Garp, again, called them "Greatest Pirates" & not "Strongest Pirates" and that is how both Viz & Stephen Paul & this translator, translated it.
Viz:
Stephen Paul: https://web.archive.org/web/2010031...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter432.txt
Are these translations iffy? Do they have Mihawk avis or are they well-known Mihawk powerlevel supporters?
You cannot go around calling everyone biased & accusing them of mistranslation simply because the manga does not align with your views, wants & desires.
There is zero contradictions in what they claim.
You can refer the manga raws for yourself if you want to, I did & I think what they claim is very clear.
Garp, again, called them "Greatest Pirates" & not "Strongest Pirates" and that is how both Viz & Stephen Paul & this translator, translated it.
Viz:
Stephen Paul: https://web.archive.org/web/2010031...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter432.txt
Are these translations iffy? Do they have Mihawk avis or are they well-known Mihawk powerlevel supporters?
You cannot go around calling everyone biased & accusing them of mistranslation simply because the manga does not align with your wants & needs lol.
You can refer the manga raws for yourself if you want to, I did & I think what they claim is very clear.
Garp, again, called them "Greatest Pirates" & not "Strongest Pirates" and that is how both Viz & Stephen Paul & this translator, translated it.
Viz:
Stephen Paul: https://web.archive.org/web/2010031...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter432.txt
Are these translations iffy? Do they have Mihawk avis or are they well-known Mihawk powerlevel supporters?
You cannot go around calling everyone biased & accusing them of mistranslation simply because the manga does not align with your wants & needs lol.
And they used an example there to elucidate what they are talking about using the term for "Great Politicians" to prove their point.
WSM & WSC being the Strongest in their respective areas while also being the Greatest Pirates does not imply in any way that all the Greatest Pirates are also "the Strongest".
The term "Yonko" being a term of influence & not a measure of strength has been proven using two examples in the manga already - Teach & Buggy.
Teach only became a Yonko after beating Marco & conquering territories, meaning strength alone is not enough.
Buggy became a Yonko because he had two powerful men, one of whom is worth more than Buggy himself, under him.
Individual strength of course helps, but without a crew and territories, even if one was the strongest of all time in OP one wouldn't be an Emperor. And that is what the translator said as well.
WSM & WSC being the Strongest in their respective areas while also being the Greatest Pirates does not imply in any way that all the Greatest Pirates are also "the Strongest".
The term "Yonko" being a term of influence & not a measure of strength has been proven using two examples in the manga already - Teach & Buggy.
Teach only became a Yonko after beating Marco & conquering territories, meaning strength alone is not enough.
Buggy became a Yonko because he had two powerful men, one of whom is worth more than Buggy himself, under him.
Individual strength of course helps, but without a crew and territories, even if one was the strongest of all time in OP one wouldn't be an Emperor. And that is what the translator said as well.
And they used an example there to elucidate what they are talking about using the term for "Great Politicians" to prove their point.
WSM & WSC being the Strongest in their respective areas while also being the Greatest Pirates does not imply in any way that all the Greatest Pirates are also "the Strongest".
The term "Yonko" being a term of influence & not a measure of strength has been proven using two examples in the manga already - Teach & Buggy.
Teach only became a Yonko after beating Marco & conquering territories, meaning strength alone is not enough.
Buggy became a Yonko because he had two powerful men, one of whom is worth more than Buggy himself, under him.
Individual strength of course helps, but without a crew and territories, even if one was the strongest of all time in OP one wouldn't be an Emperor. And that is what the translator said as well.
WSM & WSC being the Strongest in their respective areas while also being the Greatest Pirates does not imply in any way that all the Greatest Pirates are also "the Strongest".
The term "Yonko" being a term of influence & not a measure of strength has been proven using two examples in the manga already - Teach & Buggy.
Teach only became a Yonko after beating Marco & conquering territories, meaning strength alone is not enough.
Buggy became a Yonko because he had two powerful men, one of whom is worth more than Buggy himself, under him.
Individual strength of course helps, but without a crew and territories, even if one was the strongest of all time in OP one wouldn't be an Emperor. And that is what the translator said as well.
If you wanna use interpretation of "nothing to do" and "as opposed to" then none of the Greatest should be the strongest right? Luffy shouldnt even be a Yonkou by beating WSC (who make all the struggle of the alliance useless if he doesn't win), since he shouldve focused on being the "greatest" which emphasized political power and influence (some persuasion and leadership here and there) instead of directly beating WSC.
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The average emperor bounty is above Mihawks. Its only Emperors who have ascended in the last 2 years who are below him. Its not surprising that someone who has had notoriety for decades would have a higher bounty than someone who didn't.
You guys are so hasty to use bounties to prove your agenda but never when they don't suit it.
Also, when King said Kingly Ambitions he was clearly referring to Zoros Conquerors Haki. Anyone with CoC has "kingly ambitions".
You guys are so hasty to use bounties to prove your agenda but never when they don't suit it.
Also, when King said Kingly Ambitions he was clearly referring to Zoros Conquerors Haki. Anyone with CoC has "kingly ambitions".