Wrestling Talk

[Sadistic Senpai]

Right now, WWE is holding the world greatest wrestling match between Edge and Randy on Blacklash. Will it be the greatest wrestling match? Doubt it..
So it not really the fandom fault but if Vince can get a reaction from the fans, etheir negative or positive. He doing his job because fans being silence is failing his job.

For me personally, I can see your point that WWE are lacking wrestlers with a "character" but I think Wwe is just lacking a megastar.


Anyway seem like Kurt Angle will be back with WWE, stupid move Vince..
That gives a chance for Drake Maverick to rejoin too.

WWE is lacking Megastar because of those fans, who only want someone to be pushed for one year, then change their attention to the next new thing cause they got bored from this guy... and they want a new guy to be pushed...That's why I was enjoying every win for Roman Reigns, I enjoyed when those fans get triggered when Reigns win, he was the only character WWE was writing as they want...

People can say all they want:
"oh, he can't rassle" while his matches are always more interesting than their fav

" Oh, he's bad on mic" when he's better than stupid stars who they push

" Oh, he's this, he's that he's....etc"

Yet, their move with Reigns resulted in a funny situation where fans shame WWE for the RATING

Yet, go to WWE Youtube channel, and when a new Raw/Smackdown drops
Their fan favs wrestlers don't even get half the views of Roman's videos... more views equals more money... same way with ratings

Ratings = money

WWE can only build megastar and can only build a character who can bring rating and money through doing what they want, not what the fans want, cause fans are so moody, one tweet from wrestler results in fans turning on pushing him

Rollins lately got big heat from fans because of twitter, wtf!?

Who cares about twitter, I don't even care for rollins or like him, but that's how this moody fans work, one tweet makes them want to ruin the character....

One star arrives from AEW or From the stupid house show called NXT, they end up wanting this new guy, who the casual fan never heard about, beat the biggest star in WWE from Raw... talk about Captain Buggy graduating from East Blue to come beat a Yonko LMAO, how the hell do you want to convince the casual fan to keep watching?

Roman Reigns and Charlotte are the best thing about WWE in last few years, they stuck up like a sore thumb for those fans, and they are the ones who bring true rating, regardless if those fans bring shitty reports, and shitty fake statistic from some stupid geeky reporter who hates Roman and Charlotte flair, the truth of matter can be seen when youtube channel of WWE drops new episode clips, check out EACH INDIVIDUAL, and see the views for each wrestler, you will know who's th BIG COW of the show... and why WWE keep giving him screen and push, cause he brings more money than others... as simple as that

 

[Formerly Seth]

I hate how Vince destroyed Roman Reigns' character. But you know what was the nail to the coffin for his character?
Putting him against Daniel Bryan who was over wanked by the fandom.

 

[Dark Admiral]

To be honest, WWE is lacking to create a new breed of Superstars like Rock, Undertaker, John Cena. Stone Cold, etc. which is why they are milking the sh*t out of the old and part timers like Goldberg and Taker. Even the heavily promoted “best wrestling match ever” is part of cashing in old cheque books. Edge and Orton might be still in shape but their era should be over by now but sadly enough WWE can’t afford that.
There are currently so many potential wrestlers in WWE but the creatives aren’t giving them enough light to shine. Hopefully NXT will save wwe but it’s toxic fans who get tired of everyone who holds a Title will Probably be their downfall.

 

[Formerly Seth]

To be honest, WWE is lacking to create a new breed of Superstars like Rock, Undertaker, John Cena. Stone Cold, etc. which is why they are milking the sh*t out of the old and part timers like Goldberg and Taker. Even the heavily promoted “best wrestling match ever” is part of cashing in old cheque books. Edge and Orton might be still in shape but their era should be over by now but sadly enough WWE can’t afford that.
There are currently so many potential wrestlers in WWE but the creatives aren’t giving them enough light to shine. Hopefully NXT will save wwe but it’s toxic fans who get tired of everyone who holds a Title will Probably be their downfall.

I think it's way harder to create guys like Undertaker, Cena, or even Stone Cold in our era of the internet. The early 2000s were different.

The only thing that keeps me in watching this RN is NXT especially takeovers.

 

[Uncle Van]

I still love wrestling, but I'm one of those fans who hates the WWE Universe itself, and not the creator of the show

Meaning, I am one of those guys who enjoy it when Vince Mcmahon takes a decision that angers the fuck out of those fans

I hate everything those fans stand for about "oh, we should just get 55 hours wrestling match" stupidity... where every wrestler became the same, wearing the same, acting the same... no fucking unique character

Rock, Taker, Shawn, Ric Flair, Stone Cold didn't get fucking huuuuge because they were better wrestlers than the current ones, nor was it because they were in attitude era or before it.... it was because wrestlers, each one, had their own character

- A god of death who create lightening,buries people...Taker
- His brother is at the gate of Hell, Kane
- Dirtiest villain in the game, Flair, with great charismatic mic talk
- His golden boy, Triple H
- A ladies man who will steal your girl, Shawn
- A Legit Drunken badass, Stone Cold
- People's champ, Rock

And so on

And each and everyone had a background on where they came from, how their story began... unlike today, they just come saying the same fucking shit "I'm best wrestler" as if it fucking matter when you're boring character lol

Heavily disagree with the idea that it's mostly the fans fault with the way WWE is now. Majority of the blame is without question the booking. Vince has been stuck in "John Cena" mode in which he wants to keep that one guy as the most popular guy in the company and buries anyone who gains popularity. It happened to Zack Ryder, Wade Barret and most recently Rusev. He tried it with Daniel Bryan but it backfired.

An organic story between Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho? Nah....take the Universal belt away and give it to Goldberg and Brock Lesnar who dont need it. Bray Wyatt is super over and is the champion? Nah give it to Goldberg and have him face feigns cause that's what the fans want aka a very predictable ending.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

I hate how Vince destroyed Roman Reigns' character. But you know what was the nail to the coffin for his character?
Putting him against Daniel Bryan who was over wanked by the fandom.

I remember it... it was Fastlane... and actually you can check out the PPV before it, which was Royal Rumble. and I can promise you one thing.
BEFORE that Royal Rumble, fans cheered Roman, after that Rumble, fans booed Roman.... Reason???
The fans who started the hate will lie and say "He can't wrestle or talk on mic"
But the truth is that they are just angry for not letting Bryan win as they want... So pathetic and I'll tell you wy WWE was right in ignoring Bryan

- First of all, Bryan is TOP NOTCH, I have no complaints about him.... I love the guy

- BUT, Winner of Royal Rumble, who will headline Wrestlemania is a man who will carry the company on his back for the NEXT year... and Bryan who's had an injury that made him freaking RETIRE at one point... How can you expect a company to give the biggest prize, to someone who's vulnerable to injury without wrestling for quite a time like a year AT LEAST to show he can last for a year without a problem? Do people want for ANOTHER, for a champion to win in Wrestlemania only to get injured back few weeks later, it simply ruins everything about Wreslemania

- You can see how they actually DOING THINGS the SAME with Roman when he got Leukemia... He got back after relinquishing his title, he NEVER LOST IT... when he got back, the storyline was Roman will focus on other more important thing than the belt on Seth Rollins... but the actual reality of matter is they wanted to also give him some time wrestling until they are fine in putting him in title picture

- Same with Edge now, who's returned and his fued is with Randy, and the fued is mainly about whether Edge is really over his injury and back without problems or not..... this Edge without title pic will stay for a while, until they are okay and sure


They are not gonna hand a recently returned from BIG Injury/Disease a big title on the grandest stage of them all, just to please the fans for one moment only to ruin the whole upcoming year...

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Heavily disagree with the idea that it's mostly the fans fault with the way WWE is now. Majority of the blame is without question the booking. Vince has been stuck in "John Cena" mode in which he wants to keep that one guy as the most popular guy in the company and buries anyone who gains popularity. It happened to Zack Ryder, Wade Barret and most recently Rusev. He tried it with Daniel Bryan but it backfired.

An organic story between Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho? Nah....take the Universal belt away and give it to Goldberg and Brock Lesnar who dont need it. Bray Wyatt is super over and is the champion? Nah give it to Goldberg and have him face feigns cause that's what the fans want aka a very predictable ending.

I respectfully disagree with your disagree LOL, Luffy's style

 

[Formerly Seth]

I remember it... it was Fastlane... and actually you can check out the PPV before it, which was Royal Rumble. and I can promise you one thing.
BEFORE that Royal Rumble, fans cheered Roman, after that Rumble, fans booed Roman.... Reason???
The fans who started the hate will lie and say "He can't wrestle or talk on mic"

So f'ing true. It was the worst possible way to book Roman against a person who was the biggest underdog with the best underdog history in the WWE year before. Damn it man.

I love Roman Reigns till this day and he is some kind of hero to me as well as John Cena was before him.
Look his promos against AJ or Cena
And his matches with AJ and cena oh jesus. He can't wrestle? XDDDDDD

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

So f'ing true. It was the worst possible way to book Roman against a person who was the biggest underdog with the best underdog history in the WWE year before. Damn it man.

I love Roman Reigns till this day and he is some kind of hero to me as well as John Cena was before him.
Look his promos against AJ or Cena
And his matches with AJ and cena oh jesus. He can't wrestle? XDDDDDD

It's just a lie to justify the hate...
Again, I love Bryan... but the dude returned from Injury that retired him... how could a company give him the W just a month after his return!?
Again, an injury that retired him
Grandest STAGE (WRESLEMANIA)
The winner, will be the MAIN ACT/FACE for the next year, where most big segments will be focused around him...

Bryan had to lose there in Royal Rumble, and Fastlane... at least until they feel comfortable in putting him in that title pic

 

[Uncle Van]

I remember it... it was Fastlane... and actually you can check out the PPV before it, which was Royal Rumble. and I can promise you one thing.
BEFORE that Royal Rumble, fans cheered Roman, after that Rumble, fans booed Roman.... Reason???
The fans who started the hate will lie and say "He can't wrestle or talk on mic"
But the truth is that they are just angry for not letting Bryan win as they want... So pathetic and I'll tell you wy WWE was right in ignoring Bryan

- First of all, Bryan is TOP NOTCH, I have no complaints about him.... I love the guy

- BUT, Winner of Royal Rumble, who will headline Wrestlemania is a man who will carry the company on his back for the NEXT year... and Bryan who's had an injury that made him freaking RETIRE at one point... How can you expect a company to give the biggest prize, to someone who's vulnerable to injury without wrestling for quite a time like a year AT LEAST to show he can last for a year without a problem? Do people want for ANOTHER, for a champion to win in Wrestlemania only to get injured back few weeks later, it simply ruins everything about Wreslemania

- You can see how they actually DOING THINGS the SAME with Roman when he got Leukemia... He got back after relinquishing his title, he NEVER LOST IT... when he got back, the storyline was Roman will focus on other more important thing than the belt on Seth Rollins... but the actual reality of matter is they wanted to also give him some time wrestling until they are fine in putting him in title picture

- Same with Edge now, who's returned and his fued is with Randy, and the fued is mainly about whether Edge is really over his injury and back without problems or not..... this Edge without title pic will stay for a while, until they are okay and sure


They are not gonna hand a recently returned from BIG Injury/Disease a big title on the grandest stage of them all, just to please the fans for one moment only to ruin the whole upcoming year...

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I respectfully disagree with your disagree LOL, Luffy's style

Fans cheered Roman but many fans were still confused as to why Roman didnt want revenge against Seth or the Authority whilst his buddy Dean went after them alone.

No one can predict when an injury could occur. It doesnt justify WWE having Daniel Bryan easily eliminated after just 10 minutes near the start of the rumble. Obviously the fans would get pissed off. The overwhelming hate following it was overblown though.

 

[Formerly Seth]

It's just a lie to justify the hate...
Again, I love Bryan... but the dude returned from Injury that retired him... how could a company give him the W just a month after his return!?
Again, an injury that retired him
Grandest STAGE (WRESLEMANIA)
The winner, will be the MAIN ACT/FACE for the next year, where most big segments will be focused around him...

Bryan had to lose there in Royal Rumble, and Fastlane... at least until they feel comfortable in putting him in that title pic

Wrestlemania 30, Summerslam 2014 and Fastlane 2015 are my worst nightmares when it comes to watching WWE.

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Fans cheered Roman but many fans were still confused as to why Roman didnt want revenge against Seth or the Authority whilst his buddy Dean went after them alone.

No one can predict when an injury could occur. It doesnt justify WWE having Daniel Bryan easily eliminated after just 10 minutes near the start of the rumble. Obviously the fans would get pissed off. The overwhelming hate following it was overblown though.

They shouldn't bring him back in a first-place at least not that fast.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Fans cheered Roman but many fans were still confused as to why Roman didnt want revenge against Seth or the Authority whilst his buddy Dean went after them alone.

No one can predict when an injury could occur. It doesnt justify WWE having Daniel Bryan easily eliminated after just 10 minutes near the start of the rumble. Obviously the fans would get pissed off. The overwhelming hate following it was overblown though.

They eliminated Bryan Early cause they didn't want him in last 4, cause that would bring more heat on Roman, specially if he was the one to eliminate him, sadly though, WWE regardless if they eliminated him early by some other person, or very late, fans just wanted Roman to lose
They got so pathetic to the point that they wanted Rusev to win (when Rusev was UNPOPULAR) at the time, they just wanted Roman to lose, end of story...

Injury occurs at any moment, sure... but when someone gets back from big injury that retired him for some time, you give him time as a wrestler before putting him in big title pic , that's what PRO does, they put the company OVER the wrestler, everyday, 24/7

I'll repeat again, it happen to Roman himself where they made the storyline seem like Roman who faced death, doesn't care much about materialistic stuff like Champion belt anymore, his focus will be about doing change/influence more...
But in reality, they just put him aside from title pic.... And when this year Royal Rumble came, they made Drew Eliminate him... because they want to put their money on the MOST READY GUY... Drew, Not Roman
You can hate it, but their decision was for the sake of company and for the big storylines that includes the titles to go through a smooth flow... despite some terrible booking from creators, it's just decison taken by brain MORE than sentiment like from fans

 

[Uncle Van]

Wrestlemania 30, Summerslam 2014 and Fastlane 2015 are my worst nightmares when it comes to watching WWE.

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They shouldn't bring him back in a first-place at least not that fast.

It was completely retarded for WWE to bring Bryan back around the Royal Rumble. They even anticipated backlash and brought in the Rock but it didn't work.

I've always liked Reigns but always hated his booking. They barely give Reigns time to build up organically and hastly shove him in the main event whether he's champion or not. They even gave him thr main event at WM33 against the Undertakwr which of course, gave rise to one of my favorite segments the very next day: "This is my yard now." Beautiful

 

[Formerly Seth]

"This is my yard now."

This was one of my favorite things to happen in the PG Era. I think Roman was close to broke a character with a laugh when he was saying this. Awesome moment.
I hope Roman will return and prove that he is still one of the best people that WWE has to offer.
I also love Seth Rollins and I think his Beast Slayer gimmick was the best he had and all of that Fiend sh*t shouldn't happen at least not when Rollins was a champion.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

This was one of my favorite things to happen in the PG Era. I think Roman was close to broke a character with a laugh when he was saying this. Awesome moment.
I hope Roman will return and prove that he is still one of the best people that WWE has to offer.
I also love Seth Rollins and I think his Beast Slayer gimmick was the best he had and all of that Fiend sh*t shouldn't happen at least not when Rollins was a champion.

Best Rollins was with J&J security honestly... that was the only Rollins I liked hahaha...

 

[Formerly Seth]

Best Rollins was with J&J security honestly... that was the only Rollins I liked hahaha...

That one was cool too but you wouldn't tell me that Rollins curb stomping Lesnar's head into to the ring on Summerslam wasn't satisfying. ( I know I know he beat him on WM but Summerslam was x100 better especially that Rollins beat him clear ).

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

That one was cool too but you wouldn't tell me that Rollins curb stomping Lesnar's head into to the ring on Summerslam wasn't satisfying. ( I know I know he beat him on WM but Summerslam was x100 better especially that Rollins beat him clear ).

I actually was rooting for Brock


Told you, I like it when fans are pissed off LMAO, I enjoy it...

 

[Formerly Seth]

I actually was rooting for Brock


Told you, I like it when fans are pissed off LMAO, I enjoy it...

I don't like only two things about Brock and it's not even that I'm pissed more like they shouldn't even exist.
Ending Undertaker streak and Summerslam 2014

 

[krogothwolf]

I don't like only two things about Brock and it's not even that I'm pissed more like they shouldn't even exist.
Ending Undertaker streak and Summerslam 2014

The Goldberg match from from wrestlemania 20 was the worst brock thing ever to me.

 

[Uncle Van]

They eliminated Bryan Early cause they didn't want him in last 4, cause that would bring more heat on Roman, specially if he was the one to eliminate him, sadly though, WWE regardless if they eliminated him early by some other person, or very late, fans just wanted Roman to lose
They got so pathetic to the point that they wanted Rusev to win (when Rusev was UNPOPULAR) at the time, they just wanted Roman to lose, end of story...

Injury occurs at any moment, sure... but when someone gets back from big injury that retired him for some time, you give him time as a wrestler before putting him in big title pic , that's what PRO does, they put the company OVER the wrestler, everyday, 24/7

I'll repeat again, it happen to Roman himself where they made the storyline seem like Roman who faced death, doesn't care much about materialistic stuff like Champion belt anymore, his

Roman would have gotten booed not matter what. They should have never brought Bryan back before the rumble. Yes it's a bad idea to put the belt on an injury prone star(cough Samoa Joe) but it was still dumb for WWE to give the fans hope of Bryan winning.

Fans can be obnoxious like when they booed Ronda Rousey but WWE is also to blame for fueling it. WWE knows that the fans have this idea that they can get whatever they want if they complain enough(I call it the Daniel Bryan curse) but again, it's also WWE being stupid with its atrocious booking.

Fans were clearly behind Becky Lynch and losing interest in Charlotte in mid 2018 and Vince thought the solution was to have Becky lose and Charlotte win big....when she got more popular, Vince turned her heel so the fans could boo her and cheer Charlotte but it sodnt work. They decided to "give the fans what they want" but having Becky gave Rousey at SS and Charlotte at WM but Nia Jax struck again. Even when Becky vs Rousey was the obvious choice, WWE still had Charlotte beat Asuka(which pissed the fans off) and shoved her into thr main event.

WWE makes things so artificial.

This was one of my favorite things to happen in the PG Era. I think Roman was close to broke a character with a laugh when he was saying this. Awesome moment.
I hope Roman will return and prove that he is still one of the best people that WWE has to offer.
I also love Seth Rollins and I think his Beast Slayer gimmick was the best he had and all of that Fiend sh*t shouldn't happen at least not when Rollins was a champion.

I recall an interview where Roman said he wanted to go heel right then and there and how awesome the reaction was.

Roman was the most organic heel in the company but WWE constantly pushed him as the agaisnt all odds babyface, making fans constantly reject him.

 

[krogothwolf]

Roman would have gotten booed not matter what. They should have never brought Bryan back before the rumble. Yes it's a bad idea to put the belt on an injury prone star(cough Samoa Joe) but it was still dumb for WWE to give the fans hope of Bryan winning.

Fans can be obnoxious like when they booed Ronda Rousey but WWE is also to blame for fueling it. WWE knows that the fans have this idea that they can get whatever they want if they complain enough(I call it the Daniel Bryan curse) but again, it's also WWE being stupid with its atrocious booking.

Fans were clearly behind Becky Lynch and losing interest in Charlotte in mid 2018 and Vince thought the solution was to have Becky lose and Charlotte win big....when she got more popular, Vince turned her heel so the fans could boo her and cheer Charlotte but it sodnt work. They decided to "give the fans what they want" but having Becky gave Rousey at SS and Charlotte at WM but Nia Jax struck again. Even when Becky vs Rousey was the obvious choice, WWE still had Charlotte beat Asuka(which pissed the fans off) and shoved her into thr main event.

WWE makes things so artificial.




I recall an interview where Roman said he wanted to go heel right then and there and how awesome the reaction was.

Roman was the most organic heel in the company but WWE constantly pushed him as the agaisnt all odds babyface, making fans constantly reject him.

WWE can't build stars currently. They book the same people to be the main events constantly even though fans are sick of them(charlotte, roman, seth) that they keep pushing the ones who get over down constantly.

Also the fact they seem to bury anyone who gets over when that wasn't the purpose of it(rusev) and its just, Fuck WWE creative.