Powers & Abilities Z0lo was not a Haki user after cutting steel in Alabasta

[Erkan12]

This basically proves the difference between swordsman ''sword skill'' and Haki users difference.

Post Alabasta Z0lo could cut steel, but was helpless vs Logia Enel,

Due to not being able to use regular Haki like some randoms in new world, Marigold and Sandersonia etc

Another proof, Mihawk says he needs to use Haki ALL TIMES to protect his sword from nicks and scratches:

Yet couldn't cut Daz from long distance

Cutting steel is different than using Haki as we know Mihawk uses Haki to protect his sword and is a Haki user,

Mihawk: ''you must treat every nick as a mark of shame''

No reason to assume he doesn't use Haki here, as he uses his black blade, not even KNIFE.

If a long distance slash is enough, Mihawk would send another long distance slash and cut Daz, but he needs to get close to cut him:

Z0lo can sense Kinemon is a Haki user (just like Luffy knew Z0lo and Sanji were Haki users in PH), yet Z0lo still didn't know if Kinemon can cut steel or not:

While some ZKKfans makes excuses as usual about this:

Spoiler

1- Haki user Alber, who can turn his sword black, still wasn't a swordsman:

''you never claimed to be a swordsman''

2- Shanks's fighting panels are very few. No one can be sure if Shanks isn't like Alber or not (can mix with other techniques, elbows, kicks, headbutts etc)

3- Another main difference between Shanks/Roger, Z0lo/Mihawk:

-Roger and Shanks's best sword attacks DOES NOT CUT

-Z0lo and Mihawk's best sword attacks ALWAYS CUTS

And Mihawk's superior WB's equal Roger, was not WGS despite using same sword style as Shanks.

 

[Zaretball]

Obviously

 

[Moegara]

That strip is hilarious.

 

[nik87]

The man is taking Ls even when he doesnt have to...

 

[Owl Ki]

OP tries to use comic as evidence that Zoro fans are unreasonable and retarded.

Inclusion of comic actually logically shits all over OP's arguments.

Kek.

 

[Blazing Lion]

How retarded you want to be?
Lerkan: YES YES YES

 

[thodoris5321]

You are being confused, haki is not just one thing that you got and everyone is equal.

There are lots of different types and styles that you can use haki. You can't compare haki coating with haki attacks, or sword to body with ranged attacks which should of coarse be weaker.

You cannot tell by his fight with Enel because he never landed a successfully cut to Enel if you pay attention.

You cannot tell haki coating when you compare pre-timeskip with post-timeskip as Oda changed his drawing style when he invented haki.

This is a meaningless thread tbh.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I don’t think even Oda knows what he is doing with haki. Bro is just making it up as he goes.

 

[L57]

U might wanna reread alabasta because zoro after the arc ended said he can t use that power(haki) at will at the time
Also he doesnt know what haki is and if that "power" would work on logias
U keep getting Ls man

 

[ShadowStyle369]

what exactly is the purpose of this thread??? We know he wasn't adept at using haki he said so himself, In fact the only time he uses it again is near death protecting luffy and it wasn't enough then to take out kuma

 

[Sentinel]

Erkan, the whole stuff was simply retconned. BoAT is Ryuo, Hyo explained everything.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

uhh point three makes no sense hyogoro told us

ITS ALL ON THE INTENT OF THE SWORDSMAN TO CUT OR NOT CUT

therefore shanks and roger can cut or not cut

mihawk can cut and not cut

zoro can also cut and not cut but he told us as a kid

sensei i wanna be a swordsman that cuts up everything.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

The man is taking Ls even when he doesnt have to...

Hahahah he even posted the funniest panels that mock everything he said.
Self awareness is not his thing I guess.

 

[The White Crane]

The man is taking Ls even when he doesnt have to...

The amount of times Zoro had lolnoped @Erkan12 is unreal.

 

[Erkan12]

Hahahah he even posted the funniest panels that mock everything he said.
Self awareness is not his thing I guess.

OP tries to use comic as evidence that Zoro fans are unreasonable and retarded.

Inclusion of comic actually logically shits all over OP's arguments.

Kek.

Not once I said anything about Hakiman or not using Haki LMAO.

Easily debunked with facts:

1- ZKKfan comic says nothing about Z0lo's own view about Alber not being a swordsman despite using a sword. Which is how Oda sees someone being a swordsman or not, using a sword doesn't make someone a swordsman. So that debunks the claim that Shanks using a sword so he should be a swordsman.

2- Acts like there are multiple fights about Shanks yet there is only 1 where he doesn't cut like Roger, who wasn't WGS as well. It has no argument on why Roger wasn't WGS, which destroys all ZKKclowns.

You are being confused, haki is not just one thing that you got and everyone is equal.

There are lots of different types and styles that you can use haki. You can't compare haki coating with haki attacks, or sword to body with ranged attacks which should of coarse be weaker.

You cannot tell by his fight with Enel because he never landed a successfully cut to Enel if you pay attention.

You cannot tell haki coating when you compare pre-timeskip with post-timeskip as Oda changed his drawing style when he invented haki.

This is a meaningless thread tbh.

Erkan, the whole stuff was simply retconned. BoAT is Ryuo, Hyo explained everything.

He didn't explain anything. You think it ''should be'' retconned which proves my point, its not ''retconned''. Why would Oda mention that and disprove his own manga by doing that lmao. He could simply be silent about that, but he still brought that up.

Similar to Katakuri having greater skill via future sight Haki, but his general Haki level is lower compared to top tiers Haki.

Or, Marigold has skill to use barrier Haki or Sentomaru can use barrier Haki, but their Haki levels are weaker than many basic armament Haki users. Noticed how Sento claims his defense is ''greatest'' ? Thats because of his ''skill'', not higher level.

The difference is skill compared to others who can't use barrier, internal destruction or future sight.

Z0lo's Haki level was still much lower compared to even fodder regular Haki users, he couldn't even use Haki that some fodders can use, however, with skill difference, he was able to use 1 trick which is cutting steel. That skill still doesn't give him the ability to use even regular Haki that some fodder uses.

Thats also similar to Usopp, who can only use aura sight observation Haki, not the regular observation Haki, thats also Usopp's skill difference, not general power level.

Thats the difference.

 

[Nvax]

He did use haki. The breath of all things is haki. He just used it in the heat of the moment without really knowing what he did. Hyougoro pretty much calls back to the concept when training Luffy.

 

[HA001]

He did use haki. The breath of all things is haki. He just used it in the heat of the moment without really knowing what he did. Hyougoro pretty much calls back to the concept when training Luffy.

Fact. He only thought it was cutting steel. If he used shi son son on enel (skypia the only arc he doesn't use this attack from alabasta to thriller bark FOR A REASON)
He cuts enel down.

 

[Erkan12]

Fact. He only thought it was cutting steel. If he used shi son son on enel (skypia the only arc he doesn't use this attack from alabasta to thriller bark FOR A REASON)
He cuts enel down.

He tried to cut Enel dumbass he failed

Look he literally explains why Z0lo can only cut 1 thing, he needs to hear its breath.

Did he hear other shits like Lightning? Nope, thats why Enel stomps him.

Thats why his Haki was incomplete, just like Usopp's observation he can only use aura sight, not regular type observation.

 

[HA001]

He tried to cut Enel dumbass he failed

Look he literally explains why Z0lo can only cut 1 thing, he needs to hear its breath.

Did he hear other shits like Lightning? Nope, thats why Enel stomps him.

Thats why his Haki was incomplete, just like Usopp's observation he can only use aura sight, not regular type observation.

Ussop can use sensory coo he sensed carrot like zoro and law whilst Robin and franky didn't
Ussop is irrelevant
Zoro had haki in shi shi son son which he never used on enel

 

[Erkan12]

Ussop can use sensory coo he sensed carrot like zoro and law whilst Robin and franky didn't
Ussop is irrelevant
Zoro had haki in shi shi son son which he never used on enel

Usopp is perfect example, both Pre-TS Z0lo and current Usopp are incomplete Haki users, Z0lo can't do shit to any DF power, only learned cutting steel skill.

Thats why Haki user Mihawk (always uses Haki to protect his sword from scratches) didn't send slash from distance again, he get close to cut Daz, which destroys your argument. Cutting steel is different type, not random Haki.