Future Events Zoro and Roger? The true nature of Zoro's dream

[Kejon]

Apparently a genius bigger than Oda, because he still hasnt decided on it.
The only time he put the two against each other it ended in a draw. That's the only fact regarding that match-up, everything else is headcanon, just like Katakuri's relevance for Luffy vs Zoro.

So you actually think, that Luffy=Zoro? explain this to me. I'm baffled by this statement.

Easily blocked by man made of diamond. Is WB made of diamond?
How exactly do you know that Mihawk would never be able to clash with prime WB? You dont - headcanon.

It's really simple actually. Mihawk is not on the level of Roger. Roger, WB, Xebec and Garp are portrayed to be on a whole different level. The WB and Roger clash we got last chapter must've probably been the most powerful clash we have ever witnessed in the series so far. They looked equal to me. Mihawk couldn't even get past Vista, so don't even try to compare him to WB.

There is no PK level, it is a fabrication of the fandom. Pirate King doesnt represent individual's power lvl.
The only fact here is that when Oda put Luffy against Zoro, he ended it with a draw. Everything else is headcanon.

I can agree, that there is no PK level, as BM could have become the PK with ''just'' the help of Elbaf's army.

And just because there was a draw between Luffy and Zoro, doesn't necessarily mean that they are of equal strength. That's not how this works.

 

[Shanks Joestar]

Seems like I cant. Show me where Oda established those things.

I cant at all but Luffy > Zoro and Roger > Mihawk Is basic One Piece Power lvl knowledge...

Or maybe im the One talking shit... (Doubt It)

 

[nik87]

So you actually think, that Luffy=Zoro? explain this to me. I'm baffled by this statement.

Has Oda given an answer to the question he asked in Whiskey Peak?
Has he proven fighter to be stronger than Swordsman? Whether it is Luffy vs Zoro or Garp vs Roger, did he give an answer?

It's really simple actually. Mihawk is not on the level of Roger. Roger, WB, Xebec and Garp are portrayed to be on a whole different level. The WB and Roger clash we got last chapter must've probably been the most powerful clash we have ever witnessed in the series so far. They looked equal to me. Mihawk couldn't even get past Vista, so don't even try to compare him to WB.

How do we know that Mihawk isnt on Roger's lvl? Have we ever seen either of them go all out and fight a battle to the death so we have a clear statistic of their combat abilities? If anything, a black blade says that Mihawk is superior.
Powerful clash and that's all, nothing more to it. Mihawk couldnt get past Vista but managed to come on top against Shanks. How can that be? How can a weakling who cant pass Vista stand above Shanks? How can such a weakling be considered one of the two people who had a legendary duel? Why would a great man like Whitebeard call a Mihawk the Weakling's duel, legendary?

I can agree, that there is no PK level, as BM could have become the PK with ''just'' the help of Elbaf's army.
And just because there was a draw between Luffy and Zoro, doesn't necessarily mean that they are of equal strength. That's not how this works.

How else does it work? According to that logic, just because this clash and 3-day long battle between Roger and WB ended in a draw, doesnt mean they are of equal strength. How is your logic working now?

I cant at all but Luffy > Zoro and Roger > Mihawk Is basic One Piece Power lvl knowledge...
Or maybe im the One talking shit... (Doubt It)

Well, that is your opinion. Oda has never made things clear and that is the only fact. I only say what Oda has done - never decided on those power levels and you are the one who claims that he did. Am I talking shit or is it you, because you value your headcanon over Oda's work?

 

[Just a member]

But what about Shanks who has CoC and yet Oda placing him behind Mihawk? Oda never excluded CoC from their fight nor did he establish "pure swordsman", it is us who made that up.

Yonko Shanks has CoC and uses it. We don't know how the fights between him and Mihawk went on. Imo there are some rules swordsman with honor stick to. Mihawk taught Zoro to coat his swords in haki and any dent in them is a shame, plus he has to learn to coat them all with coa (otherwise no wine for the poor Zoro). And this is already something, expanding we have seen Zoro always use his blades and his blades only, he never used coa on his body or uses his body to defend or attack (bar in some movie but those are not canon) not even when he would have needed it (Killer stabbing him). So a swordsman only uses his swords to fight and any hit to his body can not be prevented with haki (that is like cheating in the end, the other managed to bypass your sword and hit you but you nullified that with coa).

Then, at least imo, we have the pure swordsman who in the end are pretty much just Miahwk and Zoro and these are pretty much the people who is interested in the wss title. Guys like Fuji, BM, WB etc even if they are sowrdsman they are not devoted to the sword but use it just like a common tool and don't have any problems use other powers if they have them (read devil fruits), now coc is something like that for me. While coa adds to the blade and coo helps improve your sense if you use coc in a sword fight you start to use something else which is not a sword to attack your enemy so.. I'm not sure that is legit, anyway Oda has still to explain that (yet nor Zoro nor Mihawk are confirmed coc users and the manga is almost nearing its ending). Anyway this is just how I see all this stuff.

So Oden is not a « pure » swordsman ?

Honestly I haven't yet started to look at Oden under that light or better pondering that question, plus I admit I'm reading the latest chapters rpetty fast. Did he use CoC in any serious fight yet?

 

[Shanks Joestar]

Did he use CoC in any serious fight yet?

In the Clash with WB

 

[Rivaille]

Honestly I haven't yet started to look at Oden under that light or better pondering that question, plus I admit I'm reading the latest chapters rpetty fast. Did he use CoC in any serious fight yet?

He used it in his clash with WB.

 

[kurohime]

Has Oda given an answer to the question he asked in Whiskey Peak?
Has he proven fighter to be stronger than Swordsman? Whether it is Luffy vs Zoro or Garp vs Roger, did he give an answer?

How do we know that Mihawk isnt on Roger's lvl? Have we ever seen either of them go all out and fight a battle to the death so we have a clear statistic of their combat abilities? If anything, a black blade says that Mihawk is superior.
Powerful clash and that's all, nothing more to it. Mihawk couldnt get past Vista but managed to come on top against Shanks. How can that be? How can a weakling who cant pass Vista stand above Shanks? How can such a weakling be considered one of the two people who had a legendary duel? Why would a great man like Whitebeard call a Mihawk the Weakling's duel, legendary?

How else does it work? According to that logic, just because this clash and 3-day long battle between Roger and WB ended in a draw, doesnt mean they are of equal strength. How is your logic working now?

Well, that is your opinion. Oda has never made things clear and that is the only fact. I only say what Oda has done - never decided on those power levels and you are the one who claims that he did. Am I talking shit or is it you, because you value your headcanon over Oda's work?

Your a joke. You said Luffy is disadvantage against all swordsmen but in their fight they were equal.

So either Luffy was stronger than Zoro, which made up for his disadvantage against swords

Or

Luffy isn't disadvantaged against swordsmen and they are equal


Either way you are wrong. What one are you going to admit you are wrong about?

 

[nik87]

Your a joke. You said Luffy is disadvantage against all swordsmen but in their fight they were equal.
So either Luffy was stronger than Zoro, which made up for his disadvantage against swords
Or
Luffy isn't disadvantaged against swordsmen and they are equal
Either way you are wrong. What one are you going to admit you are wrong about?

Or Oda has chickened out every time so far and never shown how either Luffy fought Zoro nor how Garp fought Roger.
Of course he is at disadvantage, that's why Oda babysits him and never puts him against master swordsmen, past or future.
That's why he is giving him every possible power-up out there so he can compete with superior combatants like Zoro.
His only equal feat against Zoro has been clouded in mystery, no on panel feats, just like Garp fighting swordsmen, lol.

 

[kurohime]

Or Oda has chickened out every time so far and never shown how either Luffy fought Zoro nor how Garp fought Roger.
Of course he is at disadvantage, that's why Oda babysits him and never puts him against master swordsmen, past or future.
That's why he is giving him every possible power-up out there so he can compete with superior combatants like Zoro.
His only equal feat against Zoro has been clouded in mystery, no on panel feats, just like Garp fighting swordsmen, lol.

No. It's either Luffy is stronger and that's why they fought to a standstill or Luffy isn't weakened to swords like you claim.

You've trapped yourself because it HAS to be one or the other. The fact that you can't answer the question is proof enough. You've lost either way

:cheers:

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro's dream has to do with swordsmanship

Oda's dream to make the new generation the strongest

Combine the two things.

 

[nik87]

No. It's either Luffy is stronger and that's why they fought to a standstill or Luffy isn't weakened to swords like you claim.
You've trapped yourself because it HAS to be one or the other. The fact that you can't answer the question is proof enough. You've lost either way
:cheers:

Or Luffy never fought a master swordsman and never will. If that is not babysitting and obvious weakness then I dont know.
The only time Luffy tried to fight one(Zoro), you cant actually see him do so.

 

[Finalbeta]

Or Luffy never fought a master swordsman and never will. If that is not babysitting and obvious weakness then I dont know.
The only time Luffy tried to fight one(Zoro), you cant actually see him do so.

Luffy can play with swords for fun at best.

 

[kurohime]

Or Luffy never fought a master swordsman and never will. If that is not babysitting and obvious weakness then I dont know.
The only time Luffy tried to fight one(Zoro), you cant actually see him do so.

Know what I read? "Waaaa waaaa, how can my headcanon can't be shattered so easily?!?!?! I have to deflect and keep telling myself lies because then it will be true!!!! WAAAAAA!"



I destroyed hundreds of your posts with a single post. Your seriously trash and you devalue every honest conversation that you are a part of.

 

[nik87]

Know what I read? "Waaaa waaaa, how can my headcanon can't be shattered so easily?!?!?! I have to deflect and keep telling myself lies because then it will be true!!!! WAAAAAA!"



I destroyed hundreds of your posts with a single post. Your seriously trash and you devalue every honest conversation that you are a part of.

Thinking you destroyed something =/= actually destroying something.
Besides, manga already destroyed your headcanon with Luffy confirming the weakness.

 

[kurohime]

Thinking you destroyed something =/= actually destroying something.
Besides, manga already destroyed your headcanon with Luffy confirming the weakness.

More crying

 

[Finalbeta]

Luffy will never be a swordsman.

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

You don't need to say Roger died before Zoro's promise or that Roger was never Zoro's goal. The point is ''swordsman'' , what's swordsman? The person who uses swordsmanship as a fighting style. Roger didn't even show a cutting technique, he could do the same with an iron bar. The guy sends a CoC + CoA Haki shocwave which didn't even cut Oden a little bit. Oden as a master swordsman surprised to see Roger's technique and he says ''what the hell was that'', this is not being surprise at the power of Roger's sword technique, this is not knowing what happened when Roger hits Oden. Because it wasn't a sword technique that Oden could understand as a swordsman. Plus, we've seen Roger is using a pistol as well against Shiki.


VIZ didn't have a single translator before Stephen, you can see who makes the mistakes in the volume page who translated it, the early chapters have different translator then the others have different. As far as I see Stephen exaggerates too much sometimes, putting the ''legend'' word out of no where for mihawk when there is no mention of legend, it is a mistake. Plus Garp vs. Roger, the two translations (VIZ + digital color) says nothing about nearly killing each other, while Stephen also translate it as nearly killing each other which looks like a same type of mistake due to exaggerating.

Sorry erkan Kenshi means someone who uses sword not swordman

World strongest Kenshi = world strongest man who uses a sword

 

[Erkan12]

Sorry erkan Kenshi means someone who uses sword not swordman

World strongest Kenshi = world strongest man who uses a sword

World strongest Luffy's underling bitch = EoS Zoro v EoS Sanji I love Luffy's bitches like Zoro but you guys must be on another level. Zoro will be inferior to Luffy always, but he is a swordsman too, so Zoro will never be strongest swordsman, it will be Luffy.


Luffy held a sword, he is a swordsman, Paul logic is activated= mihawk is legends, reality = mihawk is not legends.

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

World strongest Luffy's underling bitch = EoS Zoro v EoS Sanji I love Luffy's bitches like Zoro but you guys must be on another level. Zoro will be inferior to Luffy always, but he is a swordsman too, so Zoro will never be strongest swordsman, it will be Luffy.


Luffy held a sword, he is a swordsman, Paul logic is activated= mihawk is legends, reality = mihawk is not legends.

This is ur luffy

love Luffy's bitches like Zoro but you guys must be on another level. Zoro will be inferior to Luffy always, but he is a swordsman too, so Zoro will never be strongest swordsman, it will be Luffy.

Nah Zoro isn't a swordman he is a kenshi = someone who uses a sword

Luffy held a sword, he is a swordsman, Paul logic is activated= mihawk is legends, reality = mihawk is not legends.

Kenshi = someone who uses a sword
Cry

 

[nik87]

World strongest Luffy's underling bitch = EoS Zoro v EoS Sanji I love Luffy's bitches like Zoro but you guys must be on another level. Zoro will be inferior to Luffy always, but he is a swordsman too, so Zoro will never be strongest swordsman, it will be Luffy.


Luffy held a sword, he is a swordsman, Paul logic is activated= mihawk is legends, reality = mihawk is not legends.

Why so extra salty today?