General & Others Zoro and Sanji fans should just become friends.

[Sir Yasheen]

Luffy ran out of stamina because he was doing bullshit. Kizaru didn’t do anything. You’re trying to change what was clearly presented in the manga. This is the downfall of Sanji fans. Saying Luffy isn’t beating someone that he already beat is silly?

That doing bullshit was fighting Kizaru? He ran out of strength cause he was pushed to the limits in his fight with Kizaru.

And seeing how Luffy got help in that fight and multiple heals while Kaido got none shows that Luffy isn’t stronger than Kaido. You thinking he is is why you’ve been disappointed in Luffys power since Wano ended. Or do you think Kaido would be hurting himself from attacking Warcury as well?

 

[DonWick]

When the leeching stops, then I'll think about it. In the mean time, it's Luffy = Zoro >>> cook. The gap is massive and it's gonna get bigger

I need to address this in a few ways. Yes Sanji fans

When the leeching stops, then I'll think about it. In the mean time, it's Luffy = Zoro >>> cook. The gap is massive and it's gonna get bigger

Yall Zorofans leech all the time. Y’all completely leech off of Shanks when discussing Mihawk.
Y’all are hypocrites both Zoro and Sanji fans need to stop that shit.

Also you k ow damn well Zoro isn’t equal to Luffy.

 

[RiShin]

Luffy didn’t temporarily knock out Kizaru, Luffys hax may have rocked him but there’s a reason Kizaru was able to get up well before Luffy, without needing help like Luffy did.

And Saturn wasn’t back until the end of 1108 in which case, as soon as he got back, Saturns attacks gave Kizaru an opportunity to kill Punk.

At no point did Luffy hold back both until after punk was dead.

OK after Punk was dead, then Lufdy started taking on Kizaru and Sarurn.

 

[Peroroncino]

Yeah the first page that's full of Zoro negging Sanji posts


Proving My Point

i always knew you couldn't read

 

[Sir Yasheen]

OK after Punk was dead, then Lufdy started taking on Kizaru and Sarurn.

Yes and at that point, Kizaru just wanted to rest. It’s why he hasn’t gotten off the ship since.

 

[DonWick]

That doing bullshit was fighting Kizaru? He ran out of strength cause he was pushed to the limits in his fight with Kizaru.

And seeing how Luffy got help in that fight and multiple heals while Kaido got none shows that Luffy isn’t stronger than Kaido. You thinking he is is why you’ve been disappointed in Luffys power since Wano ended. Or do you think Kaido would be hurting himself from attacking Warcury as well?

Luffy fighting in a stupid way and bad writing are the reason he ran out of stamina and the reason I’ve been disappointed in Luffy’s showings. It doesn’t have anything to do with Kaido.

The gear 5 writing has just been inconsistent.

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Yes and at that point, Kizaru just wanted to rest. It’s why he hasn’t gotten off the ship since.

Who put Kizaru on his ass in the first place?

 

[Albino 👑]

Zoro is stronger than King. Sanji is stronger than Queen not King. This is exactly what I’m talking about. Sanji didn’t beat King or show anything suggesting that he can.

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I give Sanji and Zoro fans the same treatment.

Zoro and Sanji are closer to Yamato and king than they are king and queen in strength

 

[DonWick]

Zoro and Sanji are closer to Yamato and king than they are king and queen in strength

You

Zoro and Sanji are closer to Yamato and king than they are king and queen in strength

You have my respect for making the adjustment to your wording. I might be able to get behind this.

 

[Malio]

I need to address this in a few ways. Yes Sanji fans

Yall Zorofans leech all the time. Y’all completely leech off of Shanks when discussing Mihawk.
Y’all are hypocrites both Zoro and Sanji fans need to stop that shit.

Also you k ow damn well Zoro isn’t equal to Luffy.

How tf do we leech of Shanks for Mihawk? Mihawk is superior in strength and has the World's Strongest title. Shanks doesn't. You can't leech from those weaker than you .

Oh they're definitely equal. Saying "b-but G5" won't change that

 

[grey matter]

Gotta disagree.
I think Oda is moving on to give Luffy the yonka status and then making Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei Yamato as his 3 commanders

G5 is just that strong and Zoro will not close the gap but the gap will widen once Luffy has full control over it.

Nah, Oda isn't going to remove decades old portrayals of Luffy/Zoro, Zoro/Sanji and Luffy/Zoro/Sanji

Even this arc, we had panels of Luffy/Zoro duo moments against seraphim + fighting same opponents. So clearly he isn't moving past it.

People thought Luffy and Zoro gap became insane to the point where Zoro can't dream of closing it, once G4 and especially future sight happened.
Yet, Zoro got big powerup via training with Enma and they ended up having similar hype/showings in rooftop.
In the same arc, when Zoro started looking too strong, Oda reinforced Zoro/Sanji portrayals through them fighting the 2nd and 3rd strongest underling, and having their duo moments.

The gap can close once again, similar to how it closed in the raid.
Luffy has G5 sure. But Zoro also has lots of room to grow.
Luffy has almost maxxed his haki, most of his growth now would come from mastering his awakening/G5 (as far as we can see at least).
Zoro has room to grow his conqueror's haki (he just awakened it), gained a mode which overuses advanced conqueror's haki, can gain advanced observation haki (FS or something else), has barely even scratched the potential of Asura.
And Asura is amongst the biggest powerups in the series, only G5 and logia DFs can even compete with how much of a powerup is provided to the user.

Addition of Jinbe merely added few more portrayals.
Portrayal of Luffy/Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe, Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe, Sanji/Jinbe

 

[RiShin]

Nah, Oda isn't going to remove decades old portrayals of Luffy/Zoro, Zoro/Sanji and Luffy/Zoro/Sanji



Even this arc, we had panels of Luffy/Zoro duo moments against seraphim + fighting same opponents. So clearly he isn't moving past it.



People thought Luffy and Zoro gap became insane to the point where Zoro can't dream of closing it, once G4 and especially future sight happened.

Yet, Zoro got big powerup via training with Enma and they ended up having similar hype/showings in rooftop.

In the same arc, when Zoro started looking too strong, Oda reinforced Zoro/Sanji portrayals through them fighting the 2nd and 3rd strongest underling, and having their duo moments.



The gap can close once again, similar to how it closed in the raid.

Luffy has G5 sure. But Zoro also has lots of room to grow.

Luffy has almost maxxed his haki, most of his growth now would come from mastering his awakening/G5 (as far as we can see at least).

Zoro has room to grow his conqueror's haki (he just awakened it), gained a mode which overuses advanced conqueror's haki, can gain advanced observation haki (FS or something else), has barely even scratched the potential of Asura.

And Asura is amongst the biggest powerups in the series, only G5 and logia DFs can even compete with how much of a powerup is provided to the user.



Addition of Jinbe merely added few more portrayals.

Portrayal of Luffy/Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe, Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe, Sanji/Jinbe

When the climax of an arc occurs and Luffy engages in combat with the strongest opponent, such as Doflamingo, a serious Kaido, and potentially Blackbeard or Imu, Zoro simultaneously confronts the second or even third strongest adversary. For instance, Monet and King serve as examples of third-strongest characters in their respective arcs. Oda separates them because, as the captain, Luffy faces the captain, who is evidently more formidable than the second strongest.

As we approach the endgame, Luffy/Joy Boy is depicted as a god-like figure. However, I regret to say that Zoro will likely not receive such portrayal after the events that transpired in Wano.

Therefore, I believe Oda is gradually separating Luffy from the monster trio.Because adding Jinbei got rid of the S.hs as trios. So who Jinbei is more closer too? The adult trio or monster trio? I say the monster trio in strenght.

 

[Kerkovian]

Luffy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sanji>= Lolonoa

 

[Reborn]

Luffy fighting in a stupid way and bad writing are the reason he ran out of stamina and the reason I’ve been disappointed in Luffy’s showings. It doesn’t have anything to do with Kaido.

The gear 5 writing has just been inconsistent.

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Who put Kizaru on his ass in the first place?

So when it comes to luffy it's bad writing but when it comes to Zoro and sanji then it's just they are weak? Hypocrisy lol


Luffy is situational top tier. He ran out of gas against kiz and while kiz got up on his own, luffy needed food.


Against warcury as well he needed food to stay in G5.


If he flights fresh kaido again then he will still lose because he won't be able to stay in G5 for long.


This isn't bad writing but Luffy's portrayal consistently drawn - he always needed help to beat someone

 

[Sir Yasheen]

When the climax of an arc occurs and Luffy engages in combat with the strongest opponent, such as Doflamingo, a serious Kaido, and potentially Blackbeard or Imu, Zoro simultaneously confronts the second or even third strongest adversary. For instance, Monet and King serve as examples of third-strongest characters in their respective arcs. Oda separates them because, as the captain, Luffy faces the captain, who is evidently more formidable than the second strongest.

As we approach the endgame, Luffy/Joy Boy is depicted as a god-like figure. However, I regret to say that Zoro will likely not receive such portrayal after the events that transpired in Wano.

Therefore, I believe Oda is gradually separating Luffy from the monster trio.Because adding Jinbei got rid of the S.hs as trios. So who Jinbei is more closer too? The adult trio or monster trio? I say the monster trio in strenght.

After Jinbe fought someone on the same level of the mid trio opponents, I think it’s pretty obvious where Jinbe fits in the straw hats. He’s going to be fighting opponents that trio with Franky and Robins opponent. For example
Franky vs wolf
Robin vs Devon
Jinbe vs Vasco

 

[SakazOuki]

Zoro and Sanji fans should meet in an abandoned warehouse and beat each other with stuffed animals

 

[trav]

"extend your hand to someone that touched unspeakable things in Kamabakka Kingdom"

no

 

[DonWick]

So when it comes to luffy it's bad writing but when it comes to Zoro and sanji then it's just they are weak? Hypocrisy lol


Luffy is situational top tier. He ran out of gas against kiz and while kiz got up on his own, luffy needed food.


Against warcury as well he needed food to stay in G5.


If he flights fresh kaido again then he will still lose because he won't be able to stay in G5 for long.


This isn't bad writing but Luffy's portrayal consistently drawn - he always needed help to beat someone

I’ve never in my life called Zoro weak. This is certainly bad writing because of the inconsistencies in Luffys powers.

I’m not a hypocrite calling Luffy weak would be a lie. Calling Sanji weak is a fair statement based on his showings.

 

[RiShin]

After Jinbe fought someone on the same level of the mid trio opponents, I think it’s pretty obvious where Jinbe fits in the straw hats. He’s going to be fighting opponents that trio with Franky and Robins opponent. For example
Franky vs wolf
Robin vs Devon
Jinbe vs Vasco

You could argue Who Who was the strongest of the Tobiroppo and Jinbe easily dispatch him without any new power up unlike Zoro or Sanji.
No love 4 Brook?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You could argue Who Who was the strongest of the Tobiroppo and Jinbe easily dispatch him without any new power up unlike Zoro or Sanji.
Plus no love 4 Brook?

Who’s who was the strongest, but he’s still on level with Sasaki and Black Maria. And that’s because Zoro and Sanji already beat people >= Tobi Roppo prior to Wano in Pica and Yonji.

And barring Zeo Brooks never won a 1v1 fight and Zeo was Fishman island fodder. Brook is going to tag team with Chopper to fight Doc Q and Stronger.

 

[DonWick]

Who’s who was the strongest, but he’s still on level with Sasaki and Black Maria. And that’s because Zoro and Sanji already beat people >= Tobi Roppo prior to Wano in Pica and Yonji.

And barring Zeo Brooks never won a 1v1 fight and Zeo was Fishman island fodder. Brook is going to tag team with Chopper to fight Doc Q and Stronger.

Yonji isn’t commander level or above Who’s Who