Future Events Zoro Will be the MVP (or Runner Up) in the Rooftop Fight

Will Zoro be the MVP vs Kaido?


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I'm actually surprised the same people who got Zoro vs Kaido wrong have confidence in Kidd over Zoro.
Idk about others, but I have always thought it was obvious that it would be a worst generation team up against the Yonko. Anyone who thought Zoro would not be a part of the Kaido fight was probably just a hater. It’s the whole ZKK thing that I always disagreed with and still disagree with. Kidd will not be outshined by Luffy’s right hand man. I have kept this stance from the beginning of this arc and I still keep this stance.
 
- Luffy stans i want to say something if i was u i'm not gonna lie i should be worried after this chapter especially when Kid and killer will take big mom ::josad:

-- you seem happy about Luffy getting a focus in the panels of chapter 1000 and kaido and big mom only focusing on him :myman: but you seem to forget something when Zoro and Luffy have a similar opponent Luffy feats will be used to hype Zoro strength Let's see : :josad:

- Luffy attacked a fish with Gear 2 attack Oda used it to hype Zoro slash of 360 pc that killed a far large fish that ate a another fish that ate the fish that was taken by Luffy :josad:

- Gear 2 Luffy got blocked and poisoned by Hyozou and called him strong while in steroid form he couldn't kill Zoro boredom and couldn't react to his attacks he even left without trying to continue the fight until he tried to attack from behind and got defeated and called a frog in the well:josad:

- Luffy used CoC and got used to hype Zoro in 3 instances :
1- Oda pointing at Zoro having it and if luffy doesn't have it he needs to be remplaced .
2- Zoro aura scared the shit out of that sumo who didn't fear Luffy and fought him head on .
3- Oda teaser about a CoC in chapter 997 causing earth quakes .
:josad:


- Oda used Luffy Gear 2 attack on a weastern dragon who clapped him and afterwards he hyped Zoro who stopped his rampage head on and cut his head while this dragon withstood all of luffy attacks without problems or blood .
:josad:


- Luffy got clowned by Monet where he broke her wall barely and nearly got defeated whereas Oda hyped Zoro by cutting her without haki and scaring the shit out of her and he even cut her walls easily .
:josad:


- Luffy attacked Pica golem and barely brook his neck while using grizzly magnum and this scene is used to hype 1080 pc that cleaved through the Golem torso and made Pica bleeding .
:josad:



- Zoro came to fight Doffy who got saved by an admiral who got shivered and pushed back by a slash under gravity from the weakest sword and uncomfortable position to attack and even had his soldiers calling his name in worry and called his attack dangerous in a similar situation Luffy got clapped and barely pushed him back not to mention Luffy wasn't under gravity.
Oda hyped Zoro by wanting to switch Luffy to fight Fuji and thinking he could do better . :josad:



- Zoro handled sandai / enma that work like a cursed swords like childs and it is a cursed sword meanwhile Luffy the moment he tried to use nidai he got clapped around he even involved others in problems << Tama >> / Kaido problem and he was warned for that by the blacksmith .
:josad:


- Luffy came to fight Kaido but he got clapped but had Zoro getting lost to save Kaido .:josad:



- Luffy attacked hawkins and didn't do shit while Zoro killed him in the first try and had luffy shocked .
:josad:



- Luffy and Zoro both of them were off guard talking to kinemon wife .
and Zoro reacted fastly and unshealted his sword and blocked an arrow using his CoO ( ability to hear Batman body mouvements ) despite being off guard and then luffy finally reacted to what is happening .
and this is post WCI Luffy with FS again he was used to hype Zoro:josad:



- Luffy tried to attack Queen in Udon but he humiliated him whereas Zoro scared the shit out of him and cut his weapon :josad:

- Luffy got fainted by Apoo just to get destroyed by Zoro who used hody treatment against him :josad:

- Oda hyped Drake in hybrid form with Gear 4th techniques to hype his strength against a number but the conclusion has Drake shook with Zoro strength despite using his strongest form and even he became a subordinate of him that will take the task below of protecting others .
:josad:


- Now we have Luffy dealing kaido but Zoro didn't make his action yet and what's surprising is this chapter is called straw hat luffy mirroring chapter 2 and after there is chapter 3 with Zoro entrance and coincidently Zoro just tried to unshealth his sword in this chapter :josad:

i'm crying right now :josad:
Shiiit you didn't have to kill them like that:josad:
 
There is absolutely no chance anyone is going to outshine Luffy in the first major battle against An Emperor of the Sea. The amount of time and effort Oda has spent investing in getting Luffy prepared for this fight is crazy. We are talking about years of prep work here beginning the moment Luffy found Momonosuke in that trash heap back on Punk Hazard. The Foreshadowing of Luffy defeating Kaido goes back even further to Thriller Bark and him defeating the Yonko's in general goes even further back, as the original story outline of One Piece was Luffy's quest to defeat the Four Emperors and become Pirate King. This. Is. Decades. In. the. Making.
Oh boy, you can't even imagine how much Oda loves Zoro.
Runner-up? Absolutely, as Oda loves to give Zoro the second biggest moment of every arc. Whether it be in the Kaido fight, or by some other means (We haven't gotten a ticking Timebomb scenario yet) you can bet Zoro will the one to shine the second most.
Fight against Kaido is not the second biggest moment, but the first one; fight against King in 1v1 battle is the second one.

Can you please tell me how in the hell Zoro fighting against Kaido gives Zoro the second biggest place?

Why is fighting against YC1 is such a bad thing that Zoro should fight against an Emperor; why is it that Zoro should jump from supernovas to fighting against an Emperor whiteout ever facing a commander?

What was the point of Luffy going through all of those fights and training when Zoro can just jump straight to Emperor?
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Oh boy, you can't even imagine how much Oda loves Zoro.

Fight against Kaido is not the second biggest moment, but the first one; fight against King in 1v1 battle is the second one.

Can you please tell me how in the hell Zoro fighting against Kaido gives Zoro the second biggest place?

Why is fighting against YC1 is such a bad thing that Zoro should fight against an Emperor; why is it that Zoro should jump from supernovas to fighting against an Emperor whiteout ever facing a commander?

What was the point of Luffy going through all of those fights and training when Zoro can just jump straight to Emperor?
Cause zoro was stronger and didnt need the fights
 
Zoro isn't being setup to reopen Kaido's scar, he's been setup to slay him.
The feat the scabbards were incapable of, that only Oden could do was killing Kaido. That's the bar for a "monster samurai" of the likes of Kozuki Oden.

Kaido laments that the samurai can't kill him, belittling the samurai as being too weak to even open his scar:


He comments that he saw the visage of Oden and could have let them kill him, but that they aren't Oden. He then proclaims that there will never again be a samurai of Oden's calibre:

The feat Kaido was ascribing to Oden was killing him, not merely reopening his scar. If Zoro is to be recognised as a Samurai on par with Oden, then he would have the ability to kill Kaido.

Recall that Zoro is being setup to surpass not match Oden. He'll do that which Oden left unfinished (defeat Kaido).

The "Second Ryuma" and dragon slaying foreshadowing further support this.
Zoro doesn't really need to surpass Oden in Wano. The claim you highlited from Kaido was :

"We will never see a monster Samurai of his like again"

All that Zoro needs to do in Wano to disprove that claim is to make Kaido see that potential in him. To make him think that he has what it takes to become as strong or even stronger than Oden.

It's comparable to how last chapter Kaido and Big Mom saw Roger's image in Luffy



Will Luffy really surpass them in Wano ?

I'd say that's questionable.

Will Luffy become Pirate King after Wano or be as strong as Roger was at his peak ?

I'd say that's even more questionable.

He only needs to do enough to make them think "he's really going to do it".

So that's what i expect from Zoro as well. He will manage to open the scar made by Oden and he will make Kaido see Oden's image in him, the way Luffy made them see Roger's image in him.
 

yj

👑YNWA 👑
“Looking at it from a writers perspective”, why would Oda build Kidd up throughout Wano as Luffy’s rival and then have him be outshined by Luffy’s underling at the end of the arc? Why would Oda destroy Kidd’s hype in literally the first arc he gets on screen shine in New World? Especially when it’s clear that Kidd will have relevance post Wano. It seems like you’re the one looking at this with a bias. You have this delusion in your head that Zoro is a god and Kidd is just a loser and that’s clouding your thought process.
Lifting rocks doesn’t make you a rival a 10 year old zoro was doing that. If kidd was actually luffys rival he would’ve got a similar resume to luffy but all he’s done is injure a sweet commander. Blackbeard is luffys real rival. Rivals in op are shanks and mihawk. Roger and wb, roger and garp etc. Not kidd and luffy. I’m just saying it how it is. Zoro is more important to the wano plot than kidd. Fucking kiku has more panel time than kidd 💀💀.
 
- Luffy stans i want to say something if i was u i'm not gonna lie i should be worried after this chapter especially when Kid and killer will take big mom ::josad:

-- you seem happy about Luffy getting a focus in the panels of chapter 1000 and kaido and big mom only focusing on him :myman: but you seem to forget something when Zoro and Luffy have a similar opponent Luffy feats will be used to hype Zoro strength Let's see : :josad:

- Luffy attacked a fish with Gear 2 attack Oda used it to hype Zoro slash of 360 pc that killed a far large fish that ate a another fish that ate the fish that was taken by Luffy :josad:

- Gear 2 Luffy got blocked and poisoned by Hyozou and called him strong while in steroid form he couldn't kill Zoro boredom and couldn't react to his attacks he even left without trying to continue the fight until he tried to attack from behind and got defeated and called a frog in the well:josad:

- Luffy used CoC and got used to hype Zoro in 3 instances :
1- Oda pointing at Zoro having it and if luffy doesn't have it he needs to be remplaced .
2- Zoro aura scared the shit out of that sumo who didn't fear Luffy and fought him head on .
3- Oda teaser about a CoC in chapter 997 causing earth quakes .
:josad:


- Oda used Luffy Gear 2 attack on a weastern dragon who clapped him and afterwards he hyped Zoro who stopped his rampage head on and cut his head while this dragon withstood all of luffy attacks without problems or blood .
:josad:


- Luffy got clowned by Monet where he broke her wall barely and nearly got defeated whereas Oda hyped Zoro by cutting her without haki and scaring the shit out of her and he even cut her walls easily .
:josad:


- Luffy attacked Pica golem and barely brook his neck while using grizzly magnum and this scene is used to hype 1080 pc that cleaved through the Golem torso and made Pica bleeding .
:josad:



- Zoro came to fight Doffy who got saved by an admiral who got shivered and pushed back by a slash under gravity from the weakest sword and uncomfortable position to attack and even had his soldiers calling his name in worry and called his attack dangerous in a similar situation Luffy got clapped and barely pushed him back not to mention Luffy wasn't under gravity.
Oda hyped Zoro by wanting to switch Luffy to fight Fuji and thinking he could do better . :josad:



- Zoro handled sandai / enma that work like a cursed swords like childs and it is a cursed sword meanwhile Luffy the moment he tried to use nidai he got clapped around he even involved others in problems << Tama >> / Kaido problem and he was warned for that by the blacksmith .
:josad:


- Luffy came to fight Kaido but he got clapped but had Zoro getting lost to save Kaido .:josad:



- Luffy attacked hawkins and didn't do shit while Zoro killed him in the first try and had luffy shocked .
:josad:



- Luffy and Zoro both of them were off guard talking to kinemon wife .
and Zoro reacted fastly and unshealted his sword and blocked an arrow using his CoO ( ability to hear Batman body mouvements ) despite being off guard and then luffy finally reacted to what is happening .
and this is post WCI Luffy with FS again he was used to hype Zoro:josad:



- Luffy tried to attack Queen in Udon but he humiliated him whereas Zoro scared the shit out of him and cut his weapon :josad:

- Luffy got fainted by Apoo just to get destroyed by Zoro who used hody treatment against him :josad:

- Oda hyped Drake in hybrid form with Gear 4th techniques to hype his strength against a number but the conclusion has Drake shook with Zoro strength despite using his strongest form and even he became a subordinate of him that will take the task below of protecting others .
:josad:


- Now we have Luffy dealing kaido but Zoro didn't make his action yet and what's surprising is this chapter is called straw hat luffy mirroring chapter 2 and after there is chapter 3 with Zoro entrance and coincidently Zoro just tried to unshealth his sword in this chapter :josad:

i'm crying right now :josad:
@Hades What do you think of this post?
 
So it's far from set in stone that Kidd defeats Big Mom:
  • Big Mom is not guaranteed to fall on Wano.
  • Big Mom has a much stronger grievance with Luffy than Kidd.
    • Their beef goes back all the way to Fishman Island when Luffy declared he couldn't leave it under her jurisdiction.
    • Luffy stole Jimbe from her.
    • Luffy ruined her tea party, defeated two of her commanders and humiliated her before the entire world.
    • Luffy declared that he would defeat her.
    • In Chapter 1000, it was Luffy Big Mom was most concerned with.
  • Kidd himself has a much stronger beef with Kaido.
    • Kaido crashed his meeting, beat him up and threw him in jail
    • Apoo (who betrayed him) has been working for Kaido
    • Orochi (and hence Kaido) is responsible for Killer's predicament
    • Kidd & Killer's preparations were to face Kaido.

Perhaps Kidd and Killer are responsible for defeating Big Mom, but that is not only far from guaranteed, it's not even a particularly probable outcome given what we know so far.



  • Law had the second most panel time & prominence in DR.
    • Zoro has taken that role in Wano.
  • DR was very much Law's character arc.
    • Wano has taken the role of Zoro's character arc.

Wano is not to Kidd what DR was to Law, the person that takes that role is Zoro.

We know that Kidd was making an alliance to fight Shanks, but his plans got spoiled by Kaido.

Now Kidd wants to go after Kaido, but his plans will be spoiled by Big Mom.

Kidd doesn't really get to have his way much, and i think Oda will continue to play with that. He will get to defeat a Yonko, but no the one he wanted. Neither his first nor second choice, but the one he has to.
 
Idk about others, but I have always thought it was obvious that it would be a worst generation team up against the Yonko. Anyone who thought Zoro would not be a part of the Kaido fight was probably just a hater. It’s the whole ZKK thing that I always disagreed with and still disagree with. Kidd will not be outshined by Luffy’s right hand man. I have kept this stance from the beginning of this arc and I still keep this stance.
Zoro's already outshined Kidd so far this arc and we haven't even gotten to what he'll do vs Kaido yet.
 
J

Jo_Ndule

Kid’s a poor man’s Blackbeard and you could take him out of the series without much changing,

He might be stronger than Zoro, but he’s certainly not more relevant than him in this arc, or any Strawhat in the series as a whole.
Taking out Zoro won't change a thing either
Luffy can still be PK.

At least Kidd isn't main cast ...Zoro cant progess the story and his erasure cant change Op world
 
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