Current Events Zoro Will not be "Defeated" in the Onigashima Raid

[Momoheechulkabe9000]

So in my opinion, Zoro needs to suffer at least one more defeat to get him back into that mindset that he needs to push himself to become stronger, so he himself surpasses Mihawk upon his own merits, and doesn't just surpass him because Mihawk trained him to do so.

For Zoro, nothing is more than protecting his captain's dream. If something were to happen to Luffy it would be even worse than losing a swords duel.

The gifters are clearly foreshadowing a test of loyalty for Marimo and the last chapter is making clear that the raid will fail.

Its almost certain at this point that the alliance will fail (even Oda can't subvert this) with the last chapter buidling up a climax at the new flower capital ruled by Kaidou.

In addition, Nidai Kitetsu is waiting for a new owner and its still on mainland Wano. Its safe to say that he could lose Sandai (a mark of shame for a swordsman) to a certain someone

 

[Just a member]

Imo a loss for Zoro in a swordfight would be good for a number of reasons (even if of course like you mentioned there would be anyway cons) but that loss would need to be done well and also take all the time and panel times it needs and so Oda will most likely never do this unless we get an "year of Zoro" or something (which is at this point most likepy impossible, and that imo is good).

To extend the premise it would be good because we all know that promise who has never been broken (at least in an "official" fight vs a swordsman) and so we know Zoro will always win his arc fight (and this afterall is true for every SH bar Luffy when he has to do matchrs and rematches like with Croco or now Kaido) that is very predictable and so boring even uf Oda, always keeping the promise, can dish out fights like Zoro vs Kuma which in the end was "won" by Zoro. Anyway a loss would be good because it will be totally unexpected, the walk in the park that has been the new world for Zoro will abruptly come to a stop and he will have to rethink what he is doing from scratch and that could potentually be awesome but on one hand I don't think this is Oda's best ball (he is doing it with Luffy but conpared to HxH this pales) and on the other hand he will have to give Zoro a mc kind of focus for a bit (a bit like what happened for Sanji in WCI) and that will not happen since he has to feed Luffy, the plethora of secondarycharacters there are in Wano and maybe the SH left (of course rush it would make it laughable).

So Zoro will keep winning but maybe Oda can surprise again with victories like the one he get with Kuma.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Knowing Oda's love for Zoro since the beginning of the ts..i doubt he will lose and if he does it's probably against Kaido in this upcoming act

 

[Fn Lucci]

No person is invincible. But apparently you guys think Zoro is. It's ok to lose once in a while.

From giving Kuma his neck to joking about getting a new captain if he didn't see CoC, it's clear that Zoro's faith in Luffy is beyond doubt. The important thing then to remember about the relationship between them is that the faith goes both ways. They are completely certain that both of their goals will be reached.

Luffy will become pirate king by finding One Piece, Zoro will become WSS by beating all swordsman. Suggesting one is wrong is like suggesting both are wrong.

 

[nik87]

That's the point. Oda has yet to put someone in Zoro's path to get him to go all out. Current Zoro in no way shape or form should be close to Mihawk, but how is he ever going to acknowledge that, if there is no one to show him, and push him to want to get stronger? Oda needs to stop babying Zoro and give him a real fight against an actual threat.

How will Zoro acknowledge that he isnt at Mihawks lvl yet? Easy. By being spanked by Mihawk like month ago in OP time.
Losing without going all out at least couple if times aint happening.

Zoro with Emma is barely reaching 2nd commander level at most and since that's the case there r people that r a soild 2nd commander level or above being jimbe (fought ace to a tie), smoothie, Queen, king, kaido and big mom

Fishman island Zoro was already above YC1 and Enma changed nothing.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

To all the people saying that Zoro hasn’t lost, therefore he’s boring...there’s other ways to add characterization or development than him losing.

Oda seems to be hinting at some type of mentor relationship between Momo and Zoro, that could be expounded upon right now - the kid is about to be executed.

Then there’s the fact that Wano is the only arc in the series where Zoro is personally invested in saving the people of the country. Usually he’s just there fighting as part of his job, but his rage at what happened to Yasu and the kind people of Ebisu, plus his reaction to food being wasted (and thinking of Tama) could be built up more.

Again, Zoro losing does nothing for his character. He was the one warning of the danger of taking on two Yonko at once. He’s aware he isn’t the King of the Mountain. Him losing, especially to another swordsman, does nothing for his character that wasn’t handled in East Blue.

 

[Lion of Olympus]

If Zoro never loses then he is literally a Gary Stu lol

 

[nik87]

If Zoro never loses then he is literally a Gary Stu lol

Zoro the GOAT and losing simply don't go well together.
Zoro is designed to keep winning. No need to be a copy of Luffy.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Has any of those instances made Zoro evaluate his own strength, and make him want to push himself to become stronger?

 

[Afroking]

I dont think there is anyone else in the series that has eaten more Ls than Zoro and still get back up afterwards willing to fight and achieve his dream

Luffy was getting beaten 100 times a day for 7 years.. Zoro's losses are nowhere near close to the times Luffy lost.

Its almost certain at this point that the alliance will fail (even Oda can't subvert this) with the last chapter buidling up a climax at the new flower capital ruled by Kaidou.

The new flower capital is Onigashima.There won't be a hard fail . At best only Luffy will fail because Oda wants him to have multiple fights , witht the arc antagonist and quite a few times the last round starts when everything else has been resolved, except from the ticking bomb he puts in each arc.

 

[Tobra]

if the raid fails then everyone is defeated including zoro

 

[Formerly Seth]

if the raid fails then everyone is defeated including zoro

Not necessarily.
Not everyone needs to lose PVP to understand they need to retreat for now.

 

[RJO]

How will Zoro acknowledge that he isnt at Mihawks lvl yet? Easy. By being spanked by Mihawk like month ago in OP time.
Losing without going all out at least couple if times aint happening.

Fishman island Zoro was already above YC1 and Enma changed nothing.

That overestimation is going to lead u to huge disappointment.

At best if he does defeat King so that is when he will be 1st YC.

 

[nik87]

That overestimation is going to lead u to huge disappointment.
At best if he does defeat King so that is when he will be 1st YC.

I am not particularly interested in him defeating King, I am more hyped up about him killing Kaido.

 

[SinOfGreed]

To all the people saying that Zoro hasn’t lost, therefore he’s boring...there’s other ways to add characterization or development than him losing.

Oda seems to be hinting at some type of mentor relationship between Momo and Zoro, that could be expounded upon right now - the kid is about to be executed.

Then there’s the fact that Wano is the only arc in the series where Zoro is personally invested in saving the people of the country. Usually he’s just there fighting as part of his job, but his rage at what happened to Yasu and the kind people of Ebisu, plus his reaction to food being wasted (and thinking of Tama) could be built up more.

Again, Zoro losing does nothing for his character. He was the one warning of the danger of taking on two Yonko at once. He’s aware he isn’t the King of the Mountain. Him losing, especially to another swordsman, does nothing for his character that wasn’t handled in East Blue.

Exactly. He already got a reality check by Mihawk.

Like I've said many a times; the only reason people wanna see Zoro lose is so they can clown his fanbase. Losing a 1v1 against a swordsman legitimately does nothing for his character, he's already taken that test at Baratie.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Him losing against a swordsman would be a repeat of what happened against Mihawk

 

[Finalbeta]

Him losing against a swordsman would be a repeat of what happened against Mihawk

Hence he will never lose again

This was made obvious since the time he lost against Mihawk

He would never lose again to a swordsman in his life... not losing overall, just against swordsmen however

 

[ShadyOjiro]

"He needs a defeat to reinforce his goal"?

Seems like preTS never happened for a lot of readers.

I didn't know ppl like the author to backtrack...

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I'm pretty sure that him "never" losing just referred to him never losing a 1v1 sword duel. As we saw in Zoro vs Killer, Oda is more than ready to draw Zoro passing out, so long as he doesn't actually lose the fight.

As far as plot goes, Luffy will be the one to take kaido down, which means that at some point, Zoro and the others will probably be taken out. Furthermore, Zoro needs to break the sandai for him to get the nidai, so there's that as well. Lastly, it wouldn't hurt his character to have Zoro be slightly humbled by the world's strongest creature. I think it would be more than expected tbh.

What I think is that Zoro beats king in an extreme diff fight. He also takes serious injury from king. He then makes his way to kaido and has a brief "Oden moment" where he scars kaido with enma, before getting 1 shot by Kaido due to the injuries he already accumulated in his fight with king.

but overall, there is absolutely nothing wrong with getting beat by kaido. Tons of strong characters have been beat by kaido. Zoro getting beat by kaido isn't character regression, it is the obvious outcome of Zoro fighting someone who is much stronger than him.

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Does Zoro need to be defeated by kaido? not really, but given how strong kaido is, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

 

[MarineHQ]

This is something I've had my thoughts about as well. Since the raid is looking like it's going be a hard fail, how will Oda handle having Zoro be defeated as well?

Would that kill his promise to Luffy or will Oda somehow work his way around that ?

@Fenaker @Fujishiro @HA001 @ShishioIsBack

@Rosella.Fiamingo might have a say in this as well


What do u think?