Current Events Zoro Will not be "Defeated" in the Onigashima Raid
I think you forgot that in terms of tasting defeats, Zoro has eaten over 2000 Ls.
I dont think there is anyone else in the series that has eaten more Ls than Zoro and still get back up afterwards willing to fight and achieve his dream
Zoro lost to Mihawk and Kuina. There is no other defeat that will be more impactful to Zoro than losing to Mihawk who is the wss after his promise.
I dont think there is anyone else in the series that has eaten more Ls than Zoro and still get back up afterwards willing to fight and achieve his dream
Zoro lost to Mihawk and Kuina. There is no other defeat that will be more impactful to Zoro than losing to Mihawk who is the wss after his promise.
He needs to defeated so Oda can breathe some life back into his character. Part of the charm that made Zoro so appealing during the preskip was his desire to become stronger. He has a goal that he wants to achieve, and we got to see him make an effort and acknowledge his shortcomings to motivate himself to want to do better and achieve that goal.
This is one of the reasons I invested so much into his character preskip. You wanted to root for him and see him succeed, because the path laid before him was a difficult one. Mihawk made it a point to let us the readers know that it wasn't going to be easy. Then Zoro goes and trains with Mihawk for two years, and all of a sudden, that path is no longer being shown to be difficult.
Mihawk said the path to become Pirate King is even more perilous than surpassing him, but for christ sake, the way it's being treated, the path to become Pirate King is thousands of times harder. Where is this difficulty of surpassing him that Mihawk spoke of? "The World is vast, go out there and experience it." What did Zoro get after than that actually pushed him to his limits? Mr. 1, Ohm, and Kaku? Surely these can't be the Swordsmen that Mihawk wanted Zoro to experience.
Mihawk fought every swordsman in his path to become the strongest. Zoro hasn't fought a single swordsman worth a damn since post skip started. Not once has a powerful New World Swordsman been put in his path for him to experience this vast World. If Oda doesn't rectify this soon, then all hope for the character will be lost, as it will turn out that the only thing you need to do to become the World's Strongest Swordsman, is to be trained by the World' Strongest Swordsman, and then defeat him.
So in my opinion, Zoro needs to suffer at least one more defeat to get him back into that mindset that he needs to push himself to become stronger, so he himself surpasses Mihawk upon his own merits, and doesn't just surpass him because Mihawk trained him to do so.
This is one of the reasons I invested so much into his character preskip. You wanted to root for him and see him succeed, because the path laid before him was a difficult one. Mihawk made it a point to let us the readers know that it wasn't going to be easy. Then Zoro goes and trains with Mihawk for two years, and all of a sudden, that path is no longer being shown to be difficult.
Mihawk said the path to become Pirate King is even more perilous than surpassing him, but for christ sake, the way it's being treated, the path to become Pirate King is thousands of times harder. Where is this difficulty of surpassing him that Mihawk spoke of? "The World is vast, go out there and experience it." What did Zoro get after than that actually pushed him to his limits? Mr. 1, Ohm, and Kaku? Surely these can't be the Swordsmen that Mihawk wanted Zoro to experience.
Mihawk fought every swordsman in his path to become the strongest. Zoro hasn't fought a single swordsman worth a damn since post skip started. Not once has a powerful New World Swordsman been put in his path for him to experience this vast World. If Oda doesn't rectify this soon, then all hope for the character will be lost, as it will turn out that the only thing you need to do to become the World's Strongest Swordsman, is to be trained by the World' Strongest Swordsman, and then defeat him.
So in my opinion, Zoro needs to suffer at least one more defeat to get him back into that mindset that he needs to push himself to become stronger, so he himself surpasses Mihawk upon his own merits, and doesn't just surpass him because Mihawk trained him to do so.
Has any of those instances made Zoro evaluate his own strength, and make him want to push himself to become stronger? Not even so much as a single mention. You'd think that after being crushed under Fujitora's gravity he'd at least acknowledge the gap in strength, but instead he was primed and ready to want to give it a second go at the end of Dressrosa. Luffy at least understood his shortcomings in his first clash against Kaido and realized he needed to improve. Oda didn't so much as make Zoro bat an eye at the strength of Fuji.
Now of course that can be attributed to the fact that Fujitora severely held back on Dressrosa. Which in a way reaffirms my point. He put someone like Fujitora in front Zoro, but showcased it in such a way as to not paint Zoro in a light where he was truly struggling. He gave him a minor clash, but had him complimented and looking good at the end of it.
This is why I think Zoro needs to suffer at least one more defeat, or at least be on the losing end of a fight before it is interrupted so he can acknowledge his own shortcomings. Cause as it stands, not even a small clash with an Admiral caused him to do so.
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Now of course that can be attributed to the fact that Fujitora severely held back on Dressrosa. Which in a way reaffirms my point. He put someone like Fujitora in front Zoro, but showcased it in such a way as to not paint Zoro in a light where he was truly struggling. He gave him a minor clash, but had him complimented and looking good at the end of it.
This is why I think Zoro needs to suffer at least one more defeat, or at least be on the losing end of a fight before it is interrupted so he can acknowledge his own shortcomings. Cause as it stands, not even a small clash with an Admiral caused him to do so.
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True but that was to set the expectations of what it takes to be the WWS and the power difference between them. He has had an easy time post time skip but he will need to be defeated once. Zoro can't be the one acception just because he made a promise. When he loses the fight with king it will show that there r still people stronger than him that he needs to defeat. This defeat will make him stronger.
That's the point. Oda has yet to put someone in Zoro's path to get him to go all out. Current Zoro in no way shape or form should be close to Mihawk, but how is he ever going to acknowledge that, if there is no one to show him, and push him to want to get stronger? Oda needs to stop babying Zoro and give him a real fight against an actual threat.
