Questions & Mysteries Zoro's parentage
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That means that one guy was talking out of his ass then? Why did that one guy say "he's a true kozuki" then? And remember Momo has the voice of all things so you count him being a late bloomer as him being out for the count... Big mom isn't the strongest person ever just coz she started out freaky strong... There were other people who started to weaker than her and ended up stronger than her... So it works similar to Momo... He could be a late bloomer in this "kozuki clan freaky strength" but since he even inherited the voice of all things from his dad, he will get there eventually because of his bloodline...
In fact we've even heard this sort of commmrnt before... When Kawamatsu was describing the shimotsuki clan he specfically says "They were famed for their hardiness"... So that's a direct reference to the shimotsuki clan producing guys with high endurance... Which is another bloodline thing... See this would've been fine with me if it ended on stuff like the Kozuki clan passing down the techniques of making poneglyphs... Like if these clans were special just because of techniques that are taught within the clans but nope, it's directly stated that they inherit bloodline physical stats and even powers like the voice of all things so immediately we are in full blown Naruto territory
And note, that shimotsuki clan is directly stated to have members with high endurance... There's no way Zoro would be affiliated with this clan AND it's not pointed out that his freakish high endurance is directly a result of the high endurance of his entire clan
In fact we've even heard this sort of commmrnt before... When Kawamatsu was describing the shimotsuki clan he specfically says "They were famed for their hardiness"... So that's a direct reference to the shimotsuki clan producing guys with high endurance... Which is another bloodline thing... See this would've been fine with me if it ended on stuff like the Kozuki clan passing down the techniques of making poneglyphs... Like if these clans were special just because of techniques that are taught within the clans but nope, it's directly stated that they inherit bloodline physical stats and even powers like the voice of all things so immediately we are in full blown Naruto territory
And note, that shimotsuki clan is directly stated to have members with high endurance... There's no way Zoro would be affiliated with this clan AND it's not pointed out that his freakish high endurance is directly a result of the high endurance of his entire clan
At least it will explain why Zoro is so enduring ( but it's not only because of his clan ). And I thought by "hardiness" Kawamatsu meant that they were strong willed or something like this. About this "Voice of All Things" thing, i don't think that all Kozukis has it ( Hiyori is not confirmed ), and it's not only Kozukis thing, Luffy has it and Roger had it.
So you want it to be true that Zoro's special blood is what makes him special? You prefer that he was born freaky like Oden other than he just trained for it?
Also, don't count women when talking about these things... I mean Kuina is CONFIRMED to be a Shimotsuki with supposedly high endurance and she died in a household accident... Like never use things like "this woman in this family didn't inherit the fighting gene"... Big mom's ENTIRE FAMILY is a living proof that you should never try and use female characters yo make this point... So Hiyori not having the special bloodline power doesn't invalidate anything... That's just Oda treating women how he always does
And yeah Hardiness is old timey speak for endurance
Also, don't count women when talking about these things... I mean Kuina is CONFIRMED to be a Shimotsuki with supposedly high endurance and she died in a household accident... Like never use things like "this woman in this family didn't inherit the fighting gene"... Big mom's ENTIRE FAMILY is a living proof that you should never try and use female characters yo make this point... So Hiyori not having the special bloodline power doesn't invalidate anything... That's just Oda treating women how he always does
And yeah Hardiness is old timey speak for endurance
Isn't that because Zoro keeps running into members of the shimotsuki clan? Like we saw how Zoro got both swords... Nothing to do with his bloodline in both cases... He was just in proximity of them at best...
and also, Zoro's had other swords and had nothing to do with the origins of those swords
Hmmm okay... I guess this can only be settled by someone who speaks Japanese reading the original
and also, Zoro's had other swords and had nothing to do with the origins of those swords
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Hmmm okay... I guess this can only be settled by someone who speaks Japanese reading the original
You mean like how Luffy just happens to keep doing the same things Gold Roger keeps doing without even trying yet his closest connection bloodline wise to Roger just coz Garp was Roger's buddy
At this point it's just plot... Oda even justifies in the actual plot why these coincidence s are necessary... For Zoro to have mastered Enma so fast as to outshine all these veteran samurai, he just says the two swords are similar so technically Zoro's decade of training with Wado just compounds to contributing to him taming Emma... its a big ass coincidence but one piece has those and it actually helped push the plot forward
And even in very sentence when this is brought up, the conversation steers directly back to Koushiro and Kouzaborou emphasising that as the actual connection that allowed all this to happen... honestly the only reason abLe way Zoro is also a Shimotsuki is if either He's Koushiro's son or there's a whole other story we have gotten basically 0 evidence exists
Zoro was born in East blue and that ushimitsu guy you keep pointing at was in Wano so this link is very credit less... and just like how The Kamazou silhouette looking like Zoro didn't add up to much, a silhouette of this guy doesn't mean much too
At this point it's just plot... Oda even justifies in the actual plot why these coincidence s are necessary... For Zoro to have mastered Enma so fast as to outshine all these veteran samurai, he just says the two swords are similar so technically Zoro's decade of training with Wado just compounds to contributing to him taming Emma... its a big ass coincidence but one piece has those and it actually helped push the plot forward
And even in very sentence when this is brought up, the conversation steers directly back to Koushiro and Kouzaborou emphasising that as the actual connection that allowed all this to happen... honestly the only reason abLe way Zoro is also a Shimotsuki is if either He's Koushiro's son or there's a whole other story we have gotten basically 0 evidence exists
Zoro was born in East blue and that ushimitsu guy you keep pointing at was in Wano so this link is very credit less... and just like how The Kamazou silhouette looking like Zoro didn't add up to much, a silhouette of this guy doesn't mean much too
And this too. I mean, Oda made Zoro an acquaintance of two last Shimotsuki, gave him two swords from Shimotsuki's clan, made him beat up the companion of Shimotsuki Ushimaru, made Ryuma from Shimotsuki and made both Ushimaru and Ryuma looks like Zoro ( Zoro and Ryuma has too much things in common, even the blood type ). Literally, Zoro was in every panel that has a Shimotsuki stuff ( except info about Ushimaru ), Zoro even grew up in Shimotsuki Village. If Oda won't make Zoro the hair of Shimotsuki, then i don't know why he made all this stuffs.