I say Ryuma is zoro , Toki did some magic and ryuma born again as zoro to kill kaido
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Ruma was tasked by the D to protect the history cuz he's Too Strong
He founded wano , all wano people are his descendants .
As far as we know, Toki can only move herself and others forward in time. If Zoro is Ryuma, then he was sent forward in time. There'd be no Ryuma corpse as he was sent into the future. For that matter, there'd be no legends either for Zoro, aka Ryuma, was a kid in the current era. Meaning he was sent forward while still a child.
I fail to see how Zoro having important parentage somehow de-legitimizes his feats or progress. If that is the case, then what does that make of Luffy? Do all of his accomplishments and hard work not matter because he is the grandson of the hero of the marines, and the son of the most wanted man?
If Zoro's dad is say Ushimaru, or Ryuma is his ancestor, he's still Roronoa Zoro. He wasn't shielded or buffed from his connection to them. No one as far as we know is even aware of Zoro's connection to them if it were there. Zoro himself isn't the type to dwell on his past, nor consider it a benefit on his quest.
Now, if Zoro is indeed just a rando from East Blue, great. But it's not like the alternative ruins his character or story.
well, I for one never said it would ruin him. it's more on the lines of I would find it boring, you know.
Let's take Luffy, for instance. he is a self made man. His feats are incredible and his will is astounding. But being a D and from such a notorious family, it seems somewhat implied that he was destined for greatness. Maybe that's implied only in my head, I'll admit that. But, nevertheless it kinda bugs me for reasons I am yet to understand a little better someday.
This is the same Oda who has ruined Sanji with Raid Suit bullshit.
Up until Wano arc:
Sanji can fly using Sky Walk that he learned himself. His siblings can fly using Germa special shoes.
Sanji can produce fire and he learned it himself. Ichiji can produce fire with Germa technology.
Sanji can fight well using his own body, siblings rely on Raid Suit.
Not gonna surprise me if the siblings can also swim well underwater while Sanji can do it with Blue Walk.
Long story short, Sanji the supposed failure son of Germa, may fight as well as his siblings the successful children, with his own techniques and effort, not using technology bullshit.
Now look at him, wearing Raid Suit and all.
I would prefer if he can be "invisible" because of his speed that's too fast to catch on eye rather than thanks to Raid Suit crap.
So, I won't be really surprised if Oda also ruins Zoro. The good old Zoro who became strong with his effort and hard training (this aspect is even far more highlighted than Sanji training). Into Zoro is strong because he was born from a Monster of The Past bs. Just like the D. bs.
Won't like it if it happens though.
As far as we know, Toki can only move herself and others forward in time. If Zoro is Ryuma, then he was sent forward in time. There'd be no Ryuma corpse as he was sent into the future. For that matter, there'd be no legends either for Zoro, aka Ryuma, was a kid in the current era. Meaning he was sent forward while still a child.
i mean ryuma died back then but later he reborn as zoro with a new body etc , its something happen in some manga where the hero given another chance or live same as The Scholar's Reincarnation , but i think the difference here is that ryuma memory didnt move with him to zoro that's why zoro know nothing about his earlier live but later he'll remembers
but how ?! maybe this is secret technique of the time time fruit or someone else has this ability
Do you expect Koushiro to show up in Wano or do you expect lady Toki's prophecy to be false since 9th scabbard isnt showing up?
Also, how do you explain Koushiro taking Zoro to EB 20 years ago when Wano was attacked when he was already in EB 22 years ago when Kuina was born? :unsure:
Yeah, I think he'll show up in Wano cause I think that there is nothing preventing him from sailing back to Wano after 20 years passed and he himself thinks that it will be a time close to the war, so I believe if it is Koshiro, then he's already on his way and it will take a bit of time before he shows up mid-war. Probably saving Zoro in time of crisis.
As for Kuina being born in east blue 22 years ago. well, that was shown ONLY in movie (episode zero)
I learnt the hard way to never trust those sources Lol. I don't even trust editors interviews not some Magazine's interviews not databooks or vivre card!
The latest mistake was saying Shanks is yonko before he met Luffy then Oda changed his mind in manga and made it 6 years ago.
So, for stuff like movies, interviews...etc, it's a place where Oda CAN CHANGE it. As long as the main source, the manga stays consistent, that's what he will care for.
Oda already rectified many mistakes like changing 38 years ago Oden flashback into 41 years ago to suit it better.
Oda changing Pudding's age from 14 or 15 years old into 16 to become legal in Japan culture.
So, relying solely on episode 0 is NEVER my concern. Oda simply can change the timeline in manga since main source, manga is the main stuff. Where shit must be consistent.
In fact, he can easily have Kuina be born on Wano and after moving to east blue, her and Zoro are just barely same age of being too small.
Point is, interviews, movies, are now on my shit list when it comes to source material cause of how many times it failed. And because in interviews sometimes the author wants the fans to NEVER theorise something he will show up, otherwise the shock value and the taste of reveal is lost.
So sometimes the author in interviews may deny certain theories when it's actually true
My only source material is Manga, secondly SOME SBS question, not all, because in many SBS questioms, Oda is fucking around and is not giving a straight direct clear answer, or even denying what's about to happen in future.
And when he is asked about it again when it happened, he answers "yes, I womder why I said that at that time"
Such a troll.
This is the same Oda who has ruined Sanji with Raid Suit bullshit.
Up until Wano arc:
Sanji can fly using Sky Walk that he learned himself. His siblings can fly using Germa special shoes.
Sanji can produce fire and he learned it himself. Ichiji can produce fire with Germa technology.
Sanji can fight well using his own body, siblings rely on Raid Suit.
Not gonna surprise me if the siblings can also swim well underwater while Sanji can do it with Blue Walk.
Long story short, Sanji the supposed failure son of Germa, may fight as well as his siblings the successful children, with his own techniques and effort, not using technology bullshit.
Now look at him, wearing Raid Suit and all.
I would prefer if he can be "invisible" because of his speed that's too fast to catch on eye rather than thanks to Raid Suit crap.
So, I won't be really surprised if Oda also ruins Zoro. The good old Zoro who became strong with his effort and hard training (this aspect is even far more highlighted than Sanji training). Into Zoro is strong because he was born from a Monster of The Past bs. Just like the D. bs.
Won't like it if it happens though.
Raid Suit and cursed swords/legendary swords need capable strong users who have talent and can develop themselves, to actually be great at them.
Sanji will reach heights with the suit that his family never dreams of reaching (who are only relying on tech)
Zoro with his great talent and hard work will reach levels with those swords that will allow him to be WSS.
In New World, they need extra boost in Unique Skills.
People don't realize how Sanji's uniqness of leg strength was strepped away the moment Oda introduced armament haki.
Back then, Sanji against ANY opponent. No matter who he is, how strong he is, when Sanji clashes with his leg against another one, The other person feels Sanji's Black Leg style which he inherited from Zeff.
Oda stripped away that shit the moment armament haki came to existance.
Now Luffy can do attacks in his legs stronger than Sanji's leg! Which is outrageous!
Sanji is all about his leg and you strip away that thing!
And you don't intend on giving him a DF!? And Zoro also no DF!?
And you don't plan on Sanji using his hands in battle!?
Sure, you may say, with Haki they can. But dude, they will reach high levels in haki, it's just BORING if all their powers up will be haki based on each island. Diversifying is a way of entertainment, which Oda did
That way, Zoro powers up with new swords, and Sanji powers up with RS and future modification
Zoro and Sanji power up from self improvement during fight
Zoro and Sanji power up by haki
Zoro and Sanji power up by new unique skills or new invented attacks.
Zoro and Sanji possible future power up by their own heritage (meaning, Zoro might reveal something related to his heritage in Wano, related to Ryuuma or Shimotsuki, while maybe if Sanji's constant use of RS which plays with his DNA, and maybe with extra pressure on his emotions, or maybe some completely different trigger, his body modification starts to kick and and exoskeleton develops finally revealing his supposed power modification) Afterall, I believe that the only reason Oda made his flashback contain him and his sibling experimented on is to justify the reveal of his power up when it shows up.
Otherwise, Oda could have made his brothers stronger than him by natural means, and still bullied him, and not by experiment.
He only made it an experiment for future Sanji power up.
So, the point, it's boring if all power ups are haki related. It's how people started to hate Luffy's development lately where his haki gain is one after the other where Oda each chapter is like "have this haki boost, then have this haki boost, then have this haki boost"
Lol
Luffy in mere 4 weeks, he reached advanced observation and armament haki. In mere 4 fucking weeks!
What about his DF?
What about personal physical base growth? getting muscular? buffing up?
What about NEW invented attacks instead of throwing a new gear every god damn fight? Doffy (boundman) / Cracker (Tankman)/ Kata (Snakeman)
Really? couldn't Ods defeat Cracker with boundman but New move?
point is, it's clear as an author, he wants diversifying more options of power ups for Zoro and Sanji, and I can't blame him, since in New World, Sanji and Zoro somewhat lost their uniqness and need to get back as unique
RS and gene modification if kicked makes Sanji unique once again after his leg being uncomparable was stripped away by haki. You will say (but there are 5 vinsmoke who can do it)
Well, at least it's his family, and heritage and not like haki and Skywalk which are things that can be done nowadays by normal random people!
At least not everyone can float and have the vinsmoke mobility in flight.
RS in combination with Sanji's own skills will be terryfying.
The toughness of suit added to Sanji's own body and leg strength = massive destructive power, specially with DJ
Sanji's own speed in addition to RS speed = Flash
Add on top of it a true invisibility and not just fake invisibility by speed!
And use sky walk in combination with his float speed and you will have on your hand the fastest Geppo/skywalk (if we excluded Kizaru and such fast guys lol)
point, they are not ruined. You simply are stuck with the old days, and the way you wanted their power up to come did not meet your own method, so you say they are ruined when it's all subjective. I say they are developed. Not ruined. They are having a god damn change instead of staying the same forever.
I did but your never said chapter 0, only episode 0, afaik. :unsure:
However, I get it, you dont put too much credit into that part and Koushiro could arrive in Wano during the battle...
What's not fitting to me is the way how he behaved and lived his life in the last 20 years. All of the Oden's retainers have been disgraced by the death of their lord, they have been suffering because of that and longed for revenge, some have lost their way like Shutenmaru, some have started a pointless decades-long conflict, in short, it was all a disgrace and misery.
Koushiro's life looks nothing like that, Kuina's death aside.
imho Zoro can be like the son of Denjiro (or relatives in some way) and when some people escaped from Wano during Kaido's attack Denjiro left the Wado ichimonji to Koshiro to give it to Zoro when he would be strong enough....maybe Toki planned it with her powers
Like I said I do think he definitely has some ties to the shimotuski
Tho a wierd thing is definitely his last name and how nobody seems to recognize it at all from wano.
So i either think maybe his mother was a shimotuski and that he got his fathers name or that roronoa isn't actually his name at all
I did but your never said chapter 0, only episode 0, afaik. :unsure:
However, I get it, you dont put too much credit into that part and Koushiro could arrive in Wano during the battle...
What's not fitting to me is the way how he behaved and lived his life in the last 20 years. All of the Oden's retainers have been disgraced by the death of their lord, they have been suffering because of that and longed for revenge, some have lost their way like Shutenmaru, some have started a pointless decades-long conflict, in short, it was all a disgrace and misery.
Koushiro's life looks nothing like that, Kuina's death aside.
Well, it depends on someone mentality. Koshiro seems to be a guy who has wisdom by his side. meaning, he's the type of characters who aren't hotheaded, and they wait for the right time to move. Hell, even at his young age, the way he tricked the guy in the shop was clever, and also he seems very knowledgable as he was educating Kinemom about the ancient text about the pig. So, all in all, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't show his hotheadedness back in the day in East Blue, because for him, NOTHING will come out of it, instead, his wisdom makes him realize that he should wait for the right time, 20 years later, and then sail, and in the meantime, he should prepare himself with the way of the sword, and train until that time comes. To me, for Koshiro to actually teach Zoro exactly what Hyogoro was telling Luffy in this arc about a sword that cuts nothing can cut steel, that shit speaks volumes about Koshiro's TRUE ORIGIN. He's not your avarage ordinary man.
Well, it depends on someone mentality. Koshiro seems to be a guy who has wisdom by his side. meaning, he's the type of characters who aren't hotheaded, and they wait for the right time to move. Hell, even at his young age, the way he tricked the guy in the shop was clever, and also he seems very knowledgable as he was educating Kinemom about the ancient text about the pig. So, all in all, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't show his hotheadedness back in the day in East Blue, because for him, NOTHING will come out of it, instead, his wisdom makes him realize that he should wait for the right time, 20 years later, and then sail, and in the meantime, he should prepare himself with the way of the sword, and train until that time comes. To me, for Koshiro to actually teach Zoro exactly what Hyogoro was telling Luffy in this arc about a sword that cuts nothing can cut steel, that shit speaks volumes about Koshiro's TRUE ORIGIN. He's not your avarage ordinary man.
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