Questions & Mysteries Zoro's parentage

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Its hard to see a nerd dojo guy who trained zoro was actually odens scabbard and the man who fought kaido.

If zoro finds out that his master is badass i am pretty sure when they meet he might start fanboying.
But isn't that gonna be GOLD if it happened!

Look, here is something I always had in my mind. I ALWAYS had the idea that when Luffy, Zoro, Sanji are going to surpass an important person in their lives, that Oda will HIGHLIGHT that moment for us. Meaning:

1- When Luffy surpasses his master, Rayleigh, Oda will make sure for us to know it (just like how Naruto surpassed jiraya against Pain and the frogs confrimed it)
2- When Luffy is going to surpass Shanks or Roger in future, Oda will make sure for us to know it

3- When Zoro surpasses his old master (Koshiro), oda will make sure for us to witness it and realize it, and this very arc is the BEST event to do it, by having both exist on same island, and Koshiro himself confirms that Zoro finally went beyond himself, specially if both were teaming up on a specific enemy and Zoro was the one to pull it off at the end (That would be GOAT)

4- When Zoro reaches a level that makes him HIGHER than Oden, or Mihawk or Prime Ryuuma in old days, Oda will make us know through manga panels.

5- When Sanji actually catches up to his master, Zeff and surpasses Zeff in his prime (cause I'm sure Prime Zeff would slaughter Sanji LOL). When Sanji surpasses him, oda will make sure for us to actually know it. Sanji needs to actually show us that he surpassed him in 3 ways, first from strength, secondly, from cooking, and third, by finding all blue which Zeff couldn't.


I always had this mindset that Oda will make sure for us to realize that those events happened. And Koshiro being Denjiro, then coming to Wano for that event to come in fruition is gonna be awesome if Oda plans for it.

Now that I mentioned Zeff and Sanji. I'd pay Oda for him to actually make Zeff appear on the Pirate Beehive flashback when Rocks recruited WB and co. Or for Oda to include Zeff in ANY FUCKING WAY, not necessarily Pirate Beehive island, but through BM and Kaido Flashback, it would be nice to see Zeff's ship somehow was in the vacinity! That WOULD BE FIIIRE

It's worth noting that Tamago did actually tell Sanji that Big Mom has high regards for Sanji because he used to work under Zeff in baratie. So, Big Mom knows who Zeff is as a pirate.

Also, the fact that people in New World call the first half of grandline Paradise, while people inside the first half call it "pirate graveyard". It confirms that Zeff WAS in New World, and not just first half of grandline. Because, Zeff told Luffy that Grandline is called paradise. people in new World call it that way simply because of how the sea is like a paradise compared to the monsterous New World. So, as we can all see
Zeff and Koshiro, they both were BIG SHOTS it appears. and I'd hate it if oda never showed anything about them and ignored them
 
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Homelander

#82
But isn't that gonna be GOLD if it happened!

Look, here is something I always had in my mind. I ALWAYS had the idea that when Luffy, Zoro, Sanji are going to surpass an important person in their lives, that Oda will HIGHLIGHT that moment for us. Meaning:

1- When Luffy surpasses his master, Rayleigh, Oda will make sure for us to know it (just like how Naruto surpassed jiraya against Pain and the frogs confrimed it)
2- When Luffy is going to surpass Shanks or Roger in future, Oda will make sure for us to know it

3- When Zoro surpasses his old master (Koshiro), oda will make sure for us to witness it and realize it, and this very arc is the BEST event to do it, by having both exist on same island, and Koshiro himself confirms that Zoro finally went beyond himself, specially if both were teaming up on a specific enemy and Zoro was the one to pull it off at the end (That would be GOAT)

4- When Zoro reaches a level that makes him HIGHER than Oden, or Mihawk or Prime Ryuuma in old days, Oda will make us know through manga panels.

5- When Sanji actually catches up to his master, Zeff and surpasses Zeff in his prime (cause I'm sure Prime Zeff would slaughter Sanji LOL). When Sanji surpasses him, oda will make sure for us to actually know it. Sanji needs to actually show us that he surpassed him in 3 ways, first from strength, secondly, from cooking, and third, by finding all blue which Zeff couldn't.


I always had this mindset that Oda will make sure for us to realize that those events happened. And Koshiro being Denjiro, then coming to Wano for that event to come in fruition is gonna be awesome if Oda plans for it.

Now that I mentioned Zeff and Sanji. I'd pay Oda for him to actually make Zeff appear on the Pirate Beehive flashback when Rocks recruited WB and co. Or for Oda to include Zeff in ANY FUCKING WAY, not necessarily Pirate Beehive island, but through BM and Kaido Flashback, it would be nice to see Zeff's ship somehow was in the vacinity! That WOULD BE FIIIRE

It's worth noting that Tamago did actually tell Sanji that Big Mom has high regards for Sanji because he used to work under Zeff in baratie. So, Big Mom knows who Zeff is as a pirate.

Also, the fact that people in New World call the first half of grandline Paradise, while people inside the first half call it "pirate graveyard". It confirms that Zeff WAS in New World, and not just first half of grandline. Because, Zeff told Luffy that Grandline is called paradise. people in new World call it that way simply because of how the sea is like a paradise compared to the monsterous New World. So, as we can all see
Zeff and Koshiro, they both were BIG SHOTS it appears. and I'd hate it if oda never showed anything about them and ignored them
Zeff being part of rocks would be mindblowing . We know for certain he had records or journals with him which Don kreig wanted . I am pretty sure there were records about his journey with rocks pirate .

I def got a feeling denjiro /koshiro may not appear in wano . Seeing he is still in east blue either he no longer can fight like in his prime or left behind his past from wano to be with his family . I think him handing over wado ichimonji to zoro was def something he probably must have thought over his mind .

I am sure we are missig something in this prophecy . Does Denjiro know something about zoro being the one to kill kaido and he gave away his sword gambling that zoro might soon reach their and beat kaido. I am not sure on this .

IF you look at beginning of one piece zoros master was introduced as a simple dojo master , his daughter kuina died falling from a stairs doesnt really make sense but eitherway i do feel koshiro was actually training kuina to be WSS so that she could challenge kaido in near future .thats just my feeling . He never thought about zoro in his mind or we are certainly missing a plot that oda is not planning to show .
 
#83
Zeff being part of rocks would be mindblowing . We know for certain he had records or journals with him which Don kreig wanted . I am pretty sure there were records about his journey with rocks pirate .

I def got a feeling denjiro /koshiro may not appear in wano . Seeing he is still in east blue either he no longer can fight like in his prime or left behind his past from wano to be with his family . I think him handing over wado ichimonji to zoro was def something he probably must have thought over his mind .

I am sure we are missig something in this prophecy . Does Denjiro know something about zoro being the one to kill kaido and he gave away his sword gambling that zoro might soon reach their and beat kaido. I am not sure on this .

IF you look at beginning of one piece zoros master was introduced as a simple dojo master , his daughter kuina died falling from a stairs doesnt really make sense but eitherway i do feel koshiro was actually training kuina to be WSS so that she could challenge kaido in near future .thats just my feeling . He never thought about zoro in his mind or we are certainly missing a plot that oda is not planning to show .
Zeff appeared in chapter 0 when they were reading news about Golden Lion Shiki.
So, my point is that he was part of that era, which is why including him in anyway, not necessarily under Rocks, but in anyway shape or form, I'd gladly welcome it.

I think if Oda wants to have a big flashback about the old generation, it'd be awesome to include him among the legends who are about to appear.
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Most of his fanboyz secretely wanted him to be descended from some legendary family. The Snatchu thing had them going into over drive :suresure:. Oda though had some other plans it seems. The only connection he has to Wano is he was raised and trained by a Wano citizen. It's still not clear if Kuina's dad is Denijiro but you can see how the boyz are once again going into overdrive insisting he is the same person:josad:
I'm a Sanjitard by the way. But I love Zoro and I want more story with him other than being the badass who takes out 2nd strongest.

Having interaction with people of the past related to him is one way for that, specially that Zoro's flashback and I think we can all agree on that, he has the WEAKEST flashback among all SHs.
Hell, the dude has weaker flashback than even the likes of Senor Pink, Rebecca, And so many other random characters.
As one of the main characters, let alone the right hand of Luffy, it'd be shameful if all what he's getting in Wano is power ups and fights.
 
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Homelander

#84
Zeff appeared in chapter 0 when they were reading news about Golden Lion Shiki.
So, my point is that he was part of that era, which is why including him in anyway, not necessarily under Rocks, but in anyway shape or form, I'd gladly welcome it.

I think if Oda wants to have a big flashback about the old generation, it'd be awesome to include him among the legends who are about to appear.
We will have rocks flashback as well and what happened in god valley.

I am def digging up more hints on denjiro if it moves ahead like him meeting shimotsuki ushimaru .
If Ushimaru and denjiro have a connection then i can seedenjiro and koshiro being canon. We are def halfway through it.

We know the sword he carries looks like wado.

I can already see ushimaru asking denjiro to raise ushimaru jr to be wss . I am pretty sure most zoro fan boys will have orgasm of highest level.
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Most of his fanboyz secretely wanted him to be descended from some legendary family. The Snatchu thing had them going into over drive :suresure:. Oda though had some other plans it seems. The only connection he has to Wano is he was raised and trained by a Wano citizen. It's still not clear if Kuina's dad is Denijiro but you can see how the boyz are once again going into overdrive insisting he is the same person:josad:
It would be great if zoro was trained by a scabbard. Its odd no one really talked of denjiro. Its like they know he is lurking somewhere. I am surprised none really talks about it.
 
#85
We will have rocks flashback as well and what happened in god valley.

I am def digging up more hints on denjiro if it moves ahead like him meeting shimotsuki ushimaru .
If Ushimaru and denjiro have a connection then i can seedenjiro and koshiro being canon. We are def halfway through it.

We know the sword he carries looks like wado.

I can already see ushimaru asking denjiro to raise ushimaru jr to be wss . I am pretty sure most zoro fan boys will have orgasm of highest level.
Yeah, agreed!
Man, Ushimaru truly looks like Zoro with longer hair haha.
Also, would be nice if it turned out Zoro was his son, and then we see the Fox, Onimaru realizes this truth.

By the way, speaking of people knowing the truth! Oda STILL did not reveal to Otama that Luffy is Ace's brother!
What is he waiting for?
Is there a reason behind that delay?
Is Oda waiting for a monumental moment for the reveal for Otama?
I'm truly curious about this!
Let's all hope that Oda simply didn't forget about that reveal for Otama, or worse, it was revealed but off-screen Lol! That would be such a waste
 
#86
Most of his fanboyz secretely wanted him to be descended from some legendary family. The Snatchu thing had them going into over drive :suresure:. Oda though had some other plans it seems. The only connection he has to Wano is he was raised and trained by a Wano citizen. It's still not clear if Kuina's dad is Denijiro but you can see how the boyz are once again going into overdrive insisting he is the same person:josad:
there are many non-zoro fans who adhere to this new theory, and the above post is a disingenuous attack on a fandom you disagree with.

Good job
 
#87
Like I said I do think he definitely has some ties to the shimotuski

Tho a wierd thing is definitely his last name and how nobody seems to recognize it at all from wano.
So i either think maybe his mother was a shimotuski and that he got his fathers name or that roronoa isn't actually his name at all
Zoro in wano didn't reveal his last name "Roronoa" the wano people only know him as ZOROJORO
 
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Homelander

#88
Yeah, agreed!
Man, Ushimaru truly looks like Zoro with longer hair haha.
Also, would be nice if it turned out Zoro was his son, and then we see the Fox, Onimaru realizes this truth.

By the way, speaking of people knowing the truth! Oda STILL did not reveal to Otama that Luffy is Ace's brother!
What is he waiting for?
Is there a reason behind that delay?
Is Oda waiting for a monumental moment for the reveal for Otama?
I'm truly curious about this!
Let's all hope that Oda simply didn't forget about that reveal for Otama, or worse, it was revealed but off-screen Lol! That would be such a waste
Ushimaru and oden were top tier swordsmen in wano.

It was stated kaido personally fought in ringo so ushimaru def has huge hype behind is back.

Zoro will carry weight of his clan to fight against kaido. Zoro was kind of destined to fight kaido .

Regarding otama reveal ya oda is def waiting for proper reveal. Maybe she will find out or luffy will say it in some point of time. Oda is man in revealing good hype
 
#89
there are many non-zoro fans who adhere to this new theory, and the above post is a disingenuous attack on a fandom you disagree with.

Good job
It's not an attack, just the reality. Since two of the most trio have somewhat legendary orgins his fans are desperate to link him any possible notable figures :myman::kayneshrug:
 
#90
It's not an attack, just the reality. Since two of the most trio have somewhat legendary orgins his fans are desperate to link him any possible notable figures :myman::kayneshrug:
Sanji is connected to germa a nation full of scrubs which is appropriate seeing how Sanji is the da wackest character oda has wrote. Baked a cake and had no fights. Meanwhile zoro is linked to the shitomoski clan wano swordsman and blacksmiths with one looking just like him! Leave Sanji out of power discussions it’s kinds embarrassing seeing how garbage him and his whole lineage os
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#95
Luffy - important father, grandfather
Zoro - presently unknown
Nami - unknown biological parents, renowned but unimportant foster mother
Usopp - important father
Sanji - renowned and somewhat important family, he did not inherit their scientific enhancements
Chopper - unimportant reminder parents, renowned but unimportant foster parents
Robin - important mother
Franky - unknown biological parents, renowned but unimportant foster father
Brooke - presently unknown
Jinbe - presently unknown

So, of the Straw Hats, only four have biological parents that one could deem “important” in the context of the story’s world history. One is dead, one is antagonistic and has disowned them, and the other two are members of the crew they aspire to be. Parentage doesn’t MEAN anything in One Piece - it’s a part of the characters’ history, and an interesting footnote, but the protagonists are powerful and grow stronger through their travels and experiences with one another, at least more so than any effects gleaned from their progenitors.

Therefore, any accomplishments Zoro has recorded are not retroactively invalidated if he ends up being from the Shimotsuki clan...perhaps it informs the things he’s done, but that won’t be the full reason why he’s gotten where he has.
 
#96
In my opinion it's gonna be revealed soon that Zoro is actually a member of the Shimotsuki Clan.

- Shimotsuki means November in Japanese, Zoro was born in November.

- Zoro also was raised in Shimotsuki Village in the East Blue.

- Zoro also had a connection to Yasu who was a member of the Shimotsuki clan

- Zoro also carries the sword Wado Ichimonji which was made by Shimotsuki Kouzaburo

- Zoro was also given the Shisui by Shimotsuki Ryuma

- Zoro also has a connection with Gyukimaru who was once the pet of Shimotsuki Ushimaru

- Lastly and Most importantly Zoro looks just like Shimotsuki Ryuma and Shimotsuki Ushimaru.

- Thing is Zoro has been linked to this clan since the start of the series and has become even more linked to them since entering Wano.

- I think Zoro Will find out about his ties to the Shimotsuki Clan when he visits Ryuma"s grave.
 
#97
In my opinion it's gonna be revealed soon that Zoro is actually a member of the Shimotsuki Clan.

- Shimotsuki means November in Japanese, Zoro was born in November.

- Zoro also was raised in Shimotsuki Village in the East Blue.

- Zoro also had a connection to Yasu who was a member of the Shimotsuki clan

- Zoro also carries the sword Wado Ichimonji which was made by Shimotsuki Kouzaburo

- Zoro was also given the Shisui by Shimotsuki Ryuma

- Zoro also has a connection with Gyukimaru who was once the pet of Shimotsuki Ushimaru

- Lastly and Most importantly Zoro looks just like Shimotsuki Ryuma and Shimotsuki Ushimaru.

- Thing is Zoro has been linked to this clan since the start of the series and has become even more linked to them since entering Wano.

- I think Zoro Will find out about his ties to the Shimotsuki Clan when he visits Ryuma"s grave.
I think it will be before his Ryuma's grave visit. It will be cool if Zoro will visit his grave with the knowledge that Ryuma is his ancestor and that he's the last hair of Shimotsuki now ( except O-Toko ). And if Ushimaru really is Zoro's father, then i'd like Zoro to visit his grave as well.
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
#99
It's not an attack, just the reality. Since two of the most trio have somewhat legendary orgins his fans are desperate to link him any possible notable figures :myman::kayneshrug:
People had been theorizing about Zoro’s Wano connections since Ryuma was revealed and Wano was name dropped back in Thriller Bark - which was way before we found out about Sanji’s family.

@Zenos7 is right - you’re just being petty :kayneshrug:
 
Zoro also carries the sword Wado Ichimonji which was made by Shimotsuki Kouzaburo
This has nothing to do with Zoro's parentage. .. its Koshirou's
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Therefore, any accomplishments Zoro has recorded are not retroactively invalidated if he ends up being from the Shimotsuki clan
Are you sure? When they described Oden's feats that seem completely ludicrous they say "he's a true member of the kozuki"... by default they are implying bloodline somewhat contributes to a four year old Killed a bear in one hit... And Zoro for some reason is at eight years old was lifting those Huge ass bolders with his goddamn teach alone... I mean Kuina has been confirmed to be a Shimotsuki by now so already you can see it somewhat making sense how she was beating Zoro 2000 times... Now if zoro all so is from that clan, there's no way it doesn't affect his potrayal... This isn't a germa Sanji situation where the Germa are just normal guys like Judge is and then have tech and biological manipulation to get strong... These Wano clans are just genetically predisposed to be strong so Zoro would just be genetically predisposed to be so too
 
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