Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1002 Spoilers Discussion

[sanjikun]

Kinemon attack in lethal>Boundman so yes their Ap are very high. In combination of Adv CoA they can bypass any Durability.

It is a panel fact since Killer damage Kaido more then Law did.

Do you understand the difference between AoE and AP? This is literally power scaling 101. GK is not effective if it's targeting a random non-vital spot.

 

[Deleted member 83]

This is Oarz jr, who himself is ~60m.

what does that has to do with my reply?

 

[Finalbeta]

he aint use snakeman tho, he needed it for kat

Blitzing means Luffy could not see him coming regardless of the mode into play basically.

 

[Sentinel]

Mihawks iceberg feat is already larger than Onigashima, at worst, the same size. Yes Mihawk can cut it in half

Onigashima is surrounded by several mountains in +500m range while the skull itself is massively larger than said mountains:

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As somebody pointed it out already, Dragon Kaido is already +100m in size but he is not even visible on these scans which highlights the size of Onigashima once again.

 

[Seraphoenix]

Jinbei not only stopped Big Mom, but also throwed her off the boat. But in Marineford, when Mihawk and Jinbei clased, Jinbei went flying

I'm watching a few of the marineford clips again, i need to see that shit one more time, it has been some time.

Think the Mihawk and Jinbei part was anime only

 

[Lifeismeh]

Mihawk cut fleet of 50 ships in the East Blue saga whil LARPing
Stop lying

Lying about what? what you're statement have to do with anything?

 

[HA001]

Only in Zoro piece i guess. I already said there is a hype about Zoro's attack power


It doesn't change the fact that Luffy is totally outclassing in the rest though. His best speed feats so far are on people who are either not focused on him(Big Mom attacking Luffy or Kaido attacking Luffy) or on a toying opponent having his attention shared with another(Killer and Zoro)

When an attack actually focused on Zoro(Big Mom's thunder attack), he couldn't react and got destroyed

> Luffy on the other hand, blocked(with barrier haki) / tanked the same attack that knocked all of them out with little to no damage
> Luffy could predict and almost completely dodge Kaido's fastest base move(thunder bagua) with future sight from a close distance and that's with a Luffy who was facing 2yonko at the same time(Kaido and Big Mom)
> Luffy is the only one who could hurt Kaido with a basic g3 attack(thanks to level3 hardening) - let alone G4 then, when Zoro completely failed before releasing more of Enma's power

Basically, the only area where Zoro could compete with Luffy is in the attack power feat department. Luffy has him beat in speed, hardening, observation haki, and defense / endurance, placing him on a different level, but to Zoro's credit, he has the second best portrayal of the novas thus far

Stop being disingenuous all the time

zoro didnt react because he was in mid air when she snuck him

luffy didnt do shit in 1001 when zoro and law had to save him

if zoro couldnt hurt kaido more than what luffys done so far why did both yonko react like that and kaido for the first time in the story didnt try to tank it ?

 

[OPKnK]

Bullshit
Zoros attack would have maimed Kaido and its just Zoro getting started
He is pulling off best speed and reaction feats too


Zoros feats are better than Luffys so far

If Oden who master the swords could not maimed Kaido there is no way one attack from Zoro would .

 

[vikas]

Its not noticeably larger than Iceberg lol. Iceberg dwarfs Marineford

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

What?

He cry from pain after BoLo Breath, an attack Luffy take head-on like nothing
Why do you think he can take Gamma Knife to the heart??

 

[Gon’s Missing Arm]

 

[Finalbeta]

He definitely dwarfs Marineford, though I'll let the female OP fans judge that in particular.

 

[Shisui]

Apparently Microsoft doesn't think ZKK is happening.

 

[Lukegranders]

Proof that he didn't hit his heart. The whole posting of you are nonsense. Kaido has a strong dura/res so he is able to take that attack.

Imagine using real world logic when in manga people fighting still with half face and cutting mountains. For right reason superhumans for you.

Proof he did hit his heart. Show me where he hit his heart

 

[T.D.A]

"KAIDO DIDN'T MOVE!!!!!"

@XGoldrogeRX @beepbop

 

[Paperchampion23]

Was it said if it's his "Base" size or Devil Fruit size

Nah you are relatively right in that its including his powee. Its 180m "max" apparently, but that's from the vivre cards and tbh really doesn't agree with the Marineford picture. Like, that building clearly is over 160 meters tall, especially from other perspectives.

However, we don't know the true dimensions of Mama Canter, and I highly doubt it towers over Marineford. Chances are, Odas perspectives of it are fucky compared to Sunny, which is where people get ridiculous estimates like 500 meters.

Its one of those thing where relying on "official" heights starts to get silly in this manga because Oda's perspectives are weird a lot

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

lizaru enjoying himself when he's about to fight some people that still doesn't know haki

Kizaru is sure enjoying himself stomping on the worlds strongest pirate bisento, and 1 tapping him
:kizabat:

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Do you understand the difference between AoE and AP? This is literally power scaling 101. GK is not effective if it's targeting a random non-vital spot.

Proof that he target a random non vital spot.
Since we have Law who guess that, we have the manga panel and point of his scar who proof that, literally everything point it out that Law was right with his guess, what is your point who speak against Law guess? Now explain.

Aoe or AP doesn't matter, the only thing we know that Kinemon was able to cut Kaido, with none adv user or special ability user could do.

 

[sidestreetboy]

what does that has to do with my reply?

Just saying that none of Odas heights really make that much sense.

San juan looks much bigger than Oarz jr, instead of being just 3 times bigger.

 

[imacub]

BM and Kaido fought for three days and the island was still fine right after

Zoro using one pre timeskip attack and it already substantially reformed the island by cutting one of the horns off