Chapter Discussion Did Zoro only cut Kaido with Enma

[CbShadow]

Zoro cut Kaido with all three swords.

As others have stated, when Zoro uses a Santoryu technique it is automatically applied all three swords cut the target unless stated otherwise. What makes a swordsman strong is for them to cut what they want to cut or not cut.

If Zoro wouldn't have cut Kaido all three swords the manga would have gave us some type of indication. For example.

When Zoro attacked Kaido for the first time and bruised but didn't cut him the manga told us he needed to use more haki. That technique wasn't up to standard. He didn't even use blackened haki.

When Zoro performed 1080p canon with shusui and his other two swords against Oars and the attack from shusui created a large flying slash that absorb the other two slashs that created and even bigger slash.

Zoro commented on that and let us know that is not what he was trying to achieve.

None of that it happened when Zoro used dragon twister. Which tells us that there wasn't anything off about the attack.

Yes, I can see that enma has more haki than his other swords. The lack of comment from Zoro about that tells us that it didn't affect the attack of his other two swords.

I suggest you go back and re-read Fishman Island. Hody didn't almost "kill Luffy". He bit him one time throughout the whole fight, and Luffy using G3 to finish Hody off and then continuing to use G3 to destroy the Noah is what caused him to lose all that blood.

Stop making shit up. We are talking about the panel where Zoro said he wouldn't be able to knock Pica out with a flying slash from that distance. I don't care what the purpose of the other scene meant.

That bite is what put Luffy in that situation. If he wasn't bitten then he would not have lost a lot of blood while using G3 and almost died just.

If Luffy would have used G4 in that situation He could have destroyed Noah and not required help.

As you can see over half of Noah is still left when the fish stepped in to save everyone.

Luffy destroyed only a small portion of the ship.

Plot has everything to do with the manga. It's the reason a character will or won't use certain powers. Those scenes are all related because it explained why Zoro did what he did. The same with Luffy. The manga needed to set it up so Luffy would need a blood transfusion so he would have a deeper connection to fishman. If Luffy would have used G4 he would have never been in that situation and never needed a blood transfusion.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Just one bite doesnt make it any less dangerous, blood was dripping from it the whole time. You can see it when Hody tells about it.
Afaik, he used G2 and G3 stacking against Hody and that's what makes it more dangerous than the scene against Katakuri where he didnt use G2 which is the key part. If he used G2 two vs Katakuri, his blood would be forced out in basically an instant.

No, that's not the reason why Zoro said that.
ISDS didnt knock Pica out either and it was from point-blank.
It is all about cornering and trapping real body and finishing it off and that's impossible from across the town.

Only the anime made it seem like it was Gear stacking. The anime also made it seem like the fight was much harder for Luffy than it actually was. In reality, Hody only landed one attack on Luffy, while he was underwater, stuck in a bubble.

The fact remains that Luffy did not need G4 to beat Hody, or destroy the Noah, hence the reason he didn't use it. He was already destroying the Noah with Elephant Gatling, so for him to stop, then go G4, then continue to destroy the Noah, would have been counterproductive.

And that's exactly the reason why Zoro said that. If the issue was simply not knowing where Pica was, then Zoro would have said "A Flying slash won't work, because I don't know where he is." He didn't say that, he said a flying slash won't work, because at that distance, it wouldn't be able to knock Pica out.

 

[nik87]

Only the anime made it seem like it was Gear stacking. The anime also made it seem like the fight was much harder for Luffy than it actually was. In reality, Hody only landed one attack on Luffy, while he was underwater, stuck in a bubble.

The fact remains that Luffy did not need G4 to beat Hody, or destroy the Noah, hence the reason he didn't use it. He was already destroying the Noah with Elephant Gatling, so for him to stop, then go G4, then continue to destroy the Noah, would have been counterproductive.

And that's exactly the reason why Zoro said that. If the issue was simply not knowing where Pica was, then Zoro would have said "A Flying slash won't work, because I don't know where he is." He didn't say that, he said a flying slash won't work, because at that distance, it wouldn't be able to knock Pica out.

You are missing the point. The reason why Luffy was in terrible condition from a single bite was G2 which creates high blood pressure.

No, knocking Pica out has nothing to do with slash cutting the golem from distance or point-blank range, neither knocks out real body.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

You are missing the point. The reason why Luffy was in terrible condition from a single bite was G2 which creates high blood pressure.

No, knocking Pica out has nothing to do with slash cutting the golem from distance or point-blank range, neither knocks out real body.

No, that wasn't the point of the initial discussion of the Fishman Island scene. It was about why Luffy didn't use G4.

Zoro needed to stop Pica from going after King Riku and the others. From that distance he was incapable of doing so, whether it be slicing up the golem, or taking Pica out, Zoro did not possess the strength to stop Pica from where he was at the time. You think something like that would be an issue for EoS Zoro? If not, then what exactly was he lacking on Dressrosa, that he wouldn't be lacking EoS?

 

[nik87]

No, that wasn't the point of the initial discussion of the Fishman Island scene. It was about why Luffy didn't use G4.

Zoro needed to stop Pica from going after King Riku and the others. From that distance he was incapable of doing so, whether it be slicing up the golem, or taking Pica out, Zoro did not possess the strength to stop Pica from where he was at the time. You think something like that would be an issue for EoS Zoro? If not, then what exactly was he lacking on Dressrosa, that he wouldn't be lacking EoS?

I saw you wondering how it's possible that Luffy was hurt so much from "single bite" so I explained why.

No, it wasnt about slash and distance, it was about taking out real Pica's body. You are assuming that he didnt possess the strength to cut the golem from the distance and that's pure assumption. He even told Elizabello II to not use his King's Punch because it is not effective and we know that King's Punch can bridge the distance. So, the distance was never the issue, so you are arguing pointlessly, again...
Who says that he was lacking in DR? Only you...

 

[Zowo]

well its not cause its one slash
its cause they failed to cut kaido in rengoku onigiri till he had to let enma exude more ryou of his

didn t see no haki on oni giri

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I saw you wondering how it's possible that Luffy was hurt so much from "single bite" so I explained why.

No, it wasnt about slash and distance, it was about taking out real Pica's body. You are assuming that he didnt possess the strength to cut the golem from the distance and that's pure assumption. He even told Elizabello II to not use his King's Punch because it is not effective and we know that King's Punch can bridge the distance. So, the distance was never the issue, so you are arguing pointlessly, again...
Who says that he was lacking in DR? Only you...

The distance was the issue at the time because Zoro said it was.

You think Mihawk would have any issues dealing with Pica from that distance? He'd have chopped the Golem to pieces, effectively destroying the Golem, and taking Pica out in the process. Zoro couldn't do that. EoS Zoro won't have any problems doing that. If Zoro on Dressrosa could utilize the same amount of Haki that Enma Zoro who cut the horn off Onigashima could use, he'd have had no problem taking out the Golem from that distance, just like he took out the horn from a significant distance.

 

[Zowo]

The distance was the issue at the time because Zoro said it was.

Yes the distance was teh problem because pica s real body would not get hit by those slashes and would escape with ez why do u think zoro didn t let the king use king punch? zoro needed to get closer to force pica out of golem and beat his real body what s so hard to understand?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Yes the distance was teh problem because pica s real body would not get hit by those slashes and would escape with ez why do u think zoro didn t let the king use king punch? zoro needed to get closer to force pica out of golem and beat his real body what s so hard to understand?

Again, for the 5th time. Would Mihawk have a problem dealing with the Golem and Pica from that distance? Would EoS Zoro?

How hard is it to comprehend that Dressrosa Zoro simply wasn't strong enough to do that?

 

[Zowo]

Again, for the 5th time. Would Mihawk have a problem dealing with the Golem and Pica from that distance? Would EoS Zoro?

How hard is it to comprehend that Dressrosa Zoro simply wasn't strong enough to do that?

bruh zoro could cut the golem from that distance with no problem pica inside it was the problem he would regenerate and create another golem no problem thats why zoro needed to get closer to beat the real body anyways:smokmoji:

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

bruh zoro could cut the golem from that distance with no problem pica inside it was the problem he would regenerate and create another golem no problem thats why zoro needed to get closer to beat the real body anyways:smokmoji:

Mihawk would diced that Golem up in seconds from that distance, and taken Pica out at the same time. Don't give me that crap. Zoro simply wasn't strong enough to do what Mihawk could have, or his EoS counterpart.

 

[Kuruka]

yes, enma was the only sword that actually cut kaidos scales. we see theres only one slice on kaido and then kaido directly says that the pain comes from odens sword

 

[trav]

people get so worked up over the fact that Zoro cut Kaido that they forget he also countered and nullified a large AoE attack of a Yonko while doing so.

this is literally insane no matter which way you look at it.

 

[Finalbeta]

people get so worked up over the fact that Zoro cut Kaido that they forget he also countered and nullified a large AoE attack of a Yonko while doing so.

this is literally insane no matter which way you look at it.

In before people will start claiming that all his augmented stats come from Enma. Speed included.

I fail to witness what's up with some theories.

 

[nik87]

The distance was the issue at the time because Zoro said it was.

You think Mihawk would have any issues dealing with Pica from that distance? He'd have chopped the Golem to pieces, effectively destroying the Golem, and taking Pica out in the process. Zoro couldn't do that. EoS Zoro won't have any problems doing that. If Zoro on Dressrosa could utilize the same amount of Haki that Enma Zoro who cut the horn off Onigashima could use, he'd have had no problem taking out the Golem from that distance, just like he took out the horn from a significant distance.

Distance to do what? Cut the golem or knock Pica out? Cutting the golem is not knocking Pica out. What did Zoro say?
He utilized more Haki back in DR than he used in this fight vs Emperors, he diced an entire mountain, not just one slash.
You have no idea what you are talking about lol. Both Zoro and Elizabello could have hit the golem from that distance but they couldnt knock Pica out because that requires close combat. But sure, you do you and go on about distance... Zoro is a beast either way.

 

[Bogard]

Yes, as of yet only Zoro's enma can damage Kaido. It has been repeatedly implied throughout the last chapters

> Zoro's santoryu attack failing to injure Kaido the first time when Enma was restrained, with Zoro wanting to unleash Enma more

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> Big Mom singling out Enma's dangerosity among Zoro's blades

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> Kaido wondering why Oden's presence is in the blade

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> Oda drawing Zoro's enma with a different color shade than his other blades despite using haki in all of them, with Kaido pointing out once again that a strange haki is emitting from Enma

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> The slash on Kaido's scales coming from Enma's blade

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> After getting slash, Kaido says "i see, that must be Oden's sword" basically understanding then that getting injured makes sense since it's Oden's sword

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I'm assuming that Zoro's growth during the battle shall allow him at one point to gain enough haki mastery that it would allow him to injure Kaido with all his blades though, and thus creating a different shaped scar on Kaido

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Distance to do what? Cut the golem or knock Pica out? Cutting the golem is not knocking Pica out. What did Zoro say?
He utilized more Haki back in DR than he used in this fight vs Emperors, he diced an entire mountain, not just one slash.
You have no idea what you are talking about lol. Both Zoro and Elizabello could have hit the golem from that distance but they couldnt knock Pica out because that requires close combat. But sure, you do you and go on about distance... Zoro is a beast either way.

Would Mihawk or would he not be able to cut the Golem and take Pica out from that distance?

Would EoS Zoro, or would he not be able to cut the Golem and take Pica out from that distance?

Both Big Mom and Kaido can destroy the Golem and take Pica out from that distance.

Quit playing stupid here. Dressrosa Zoro simply wasn't strong enough to do it.

 

[Finalbeta]

What is Dressrosa Zoro?

The poor man didn't even have an opponent worth him exploding his Asura. Zoro went on a rampage without using his power for over a decade of real life time and yet he never truly endangered his own life, even whilst fighting off Issho.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

What is Dressrosa Zoro?

The poor man didn't even have an opponent worth him exploding his Asura. Zoro went on a rampage without using his power for over a decade of real life time and yet he never truly endangered his own life, even whilst fighting off Issho.

What do you mean what is Dressrosa Zoro? The guy who couldn't defeat Pica over a great distance. Where was Asura when he was weighing his list of options on how to go about saving Riku and the others? Nowhere to be found, because it wouldn't have made a difference when his power output from that great of a distance couldn't get the job done.

 

[Finalbeta]

What do you mean what is Dressrosa Zoro? The guy who couldn't defeat Pica over a great distance. Where was Asura when he was weighing his list of options on how to go about saving Riku and the others? Nowhere to be found, because it wouldn't have made a difference when his power output from that great of a distance couldn't get the job done.

Zoro proved he can trigger Asura at his own command unlike some people lacking manga knowledge were trying to infer.

He doesn't trigger it casually, the enemy must prove meritorious enough for such event to occur. Zoro needs to be pushed enough, this never occurred in that arc, even in the occasion Fuji got his hands on him, Zoro had managed to overcome his gravity with his slash without relying on it hence it was not triggered.