Questions & Mysteries Who is the traitor?

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Kanjuro
Or some dude


The other scabbards arent traitors nor the mink tribe
 
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If it's Intel gathering then it's pretty ridiihoe all these ninja who keep getting dispersed so easily are also world class sleuths... Like zoro basically be all the ninja singlehandedly and yet they are have such ridiculous spy skills... Like how are they so good at hiding their presence even from observation haki users
so what? if they keep communicating their findings regularly, doesn't matter they are beaten super easily as soon as they are spotted..... i never argued they need to be strong... all i'm saying is no need to look further for a traitor who may have known about Hyori
 
I just want to add to this thread of what had been leaked out to Orochi so far:

- The symbol, crescent moon tattoo and the original plan Kinemon had drawn out.
- Udon being captured - tho' Orochi didn't believe it, because of conflicting reports
- The hiding place of the Sunny (something only Tama knew chapter 911)
- The location of the ships secretly built by the alliance to transport the rebels.
- The second plan where all the allies will rendezvous at Tokage Port.
- Also informed that the scabbards are alive, and some leapt 20 years through time

What's confirmed:
- Kawamatsu is NOT the traitor. He was freed right AFTER Yasuie died, due to the first plan being leaked.
- Carrot is NOT the traitor. Orochi himself confirmed that the traitor was a male.
- Shinobu is NOT the traitor, for the same reasons as Carrot.

I'm also starting to think the traitor is someone among these guys right here, who gathered together with Kinemon to discuss on how they would plan a strategy for the raid in Onigashima.


Initially, I thought of Shutenmaru being the traitor, coz I believed he leaked out the first plan to see how many people the plan had rounded up, and assess if the number of rebels would be enough to have a chance against Kaido and Orochi before joining........ Kinemon wasn't able to recruit him at first....

But now I don't see it.. he couldn't have done it the second time, because he knows now how many rebels they've gathered.. and if he wanted more numbers (from rasetsu district and other factories), he would've tried to convince Kinemon not to pursue a reckless action to attack Onigashima with just 7 people.


My other suspicion is probably Hitetsu, but even that I don't know... he was present in the meeting for the second plan, and Tama - being the only one who knew of the Sunny's location in ch 911 - probably told him about it, but even so.. doesn't seem like he even knew what the first plan was. *shrugs*

Also, what could be the chances of Law actually being the traitor??
I mean, it's crazy, but idk.. :unsure:
I say it’s either Tama or Kanjuro.
 
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I have seen lot of kanjuro theories. It does fit well of all the people kanjuro seems off to me.

Why didnt doffy sent kanjuro back to kaido ? Who gave away the tip for jack to come back to zou?

Lastly his drawing of dragon shows his affliation probably a hint that he serves for beast pirates.

So far kanjuro def played well aceing up and pretending to be poor artist. Also compared to other scabbards kanjuro got very less focus in wano.


Regarding carrot i really dont think she is traitor. I mean what motivation will a 15 year old mink have. She genuinly cried for pedro so nah from me i feel minks are all good guys in this story. They are shown to be loyal to their kind hell even pekoms begged big mom to leave pedro.

My bet is high on kanjuro he is the traitor. It will be interesting how they will catch him red handed. I am pretty sure law might have figured who the traitor is ? Guess once the flashback ends we might get the info on the traitor .
 
I have seen lot of kanjuro theories. It does fit well of all the people kanjuro seems off to me.

Why didnt doffy sent kanjuro back to kaido ? Who gave away the tip for jack to come back to zou?

Lastly his drawing of dragon shows his affliation probably a hint that he serves for beast pirates.

So far kanjuro def played well aceing up and pretending to be poor artist. Also compared to other scabbards kanjuro got very less focus in wano.


Regarding carrot i really dont think she is traitor. I mean what motivation will a 15 year old mink have. She genuinly cried for pedro so nah from me i feel minks are all good guys in this story. They are shown to be loyal to their kind hell even pekoms begged big mom to leave pedro.

My bet is high on kanjuro he is the traitor. It will be interesting how they will catch him red handed. I am pretty sure law might have figured who the traitor is ? Guess once the flashback ends we might get the info on the traitor .
kanjuro has drawn a cat and a tiger too, so not sure him drawing a dragon can be taken as a hint

Doffy not sending kanjuro back is weird for sure.
 
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kanjuro has drawn a cat and a tiger too, so not sure him drawing a dragon can be taken as a hint

Doffy not sending kanjuro back is weird for sure.
So you are telling me kanjuro could master haki but not his devil fruit.
This is where i saw my suspect on him.

Also i do think the info on hiyori only came when she left to kinemon 's base. Orochi found out hiyori was alive.

How did orochi got this info based on what ? Who recognised hiyori only scabbard knows her identity and her being alive. Most of wano citizen still believe kozuki clan died 20 years ago.

The traitor is in the scabbard group. It only pinpoints that kanjuro is the most likely the traitor in the group.
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Also kikunojo cant be trusted as well.
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Major sus:kanjuro

Other likely traitor if not him is kikunojo.
 
So you are telling me kanjuro could master haki but not his devil fruit.
This is where i saw my suspect on him.

Also i do think the info on hiyori only came when she left to kinemon 's base. Orochi found out hiyori was alive.

How did orochi got this info based on what ? Who recognised hiyori only scabbard knows her identity and her being alive. Most of wano citizen still believe kozuki clan died 20 years ago.

The traitor is in the scabbard group. It only pinpoints that kanjuro is the most likely the traitor in the group.
"master haki" though..Yeah, he can use haki, because he is a fighter. Masterin his DF is equal to mastering art. And not everyone can actually learn it, there are plenty of people who have no talent whatsoever regarding arts, whether it be painting/drawing or playing music. And since you dont pick your DF, i dont see this as impossible.

Though of course it'd be mad awesome if he turns out to be the traitor and he secretly was able to draw like a real master artist and just fucked around to not blow his cover :cheers:


But i thought orochis statement about not seeing the scabbards disqualifies them as traitors?.
 
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"master haki" though..Yeah, he can use haki, because he is a fighter. Masterin his DF is equal to mastering art. And not everyone can actually learn it, there are plenty of people who have no talent whatsoever regarding arts, whether it be painting/drawing or playing music. And since you dont pick your DF, i dont see this as impossible.

Though of course it'd be mad awesome if he turns out to be the traitor and he secretly was able to draw like a real master artist and just fucked around to not blow his cover :cheers:


But i thought orochis statement about not seeing the scabbards disqualifies them as traitors?.
May i see the panel. Have i missed something that scabbard cant be traitor.

I dunno but its hard to see carrot being trator just doesnt fit wellwith the current situation. Although mink are known to be loyal to kozuki clan .

I dunno if there are anyother people left because i have been tracking this trator plot since zou but traitor had already tipped off since dressrossa arc.

Isnt it weird why doffy placed bounty on only kinemon but not kanjuro ??
 
May i see the panel. Have i missed something that scabbard cant be traitor.

I dunno but its hard to see carrot being trator just doesnt fit wellwith the current situation. Although mink are known to be loyal to kozuki clan .

I dunno if there are anyother people left because i have been tracking this trator plot since zou but traitor had already tipped off since dressrossa arc.

Isnt it weird why doffy placed bounty on only kinemon but not kanjuro ??
He has yet to see the samurai himself and wonders if they actually were able to leap through time. This heavily implies the traitor is not among the scabbards.
 
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He has yet to see the samurai himself and wonders if they actually were able to leap through time. This heavily implies the traitor is not among the scabbards.
Interesting read seems like the traitor is not giving complete info. Why is he not revealing himself ?

Why is that samurai loyal to orochi if they never met.

Point is traitor is probably double agent and has his own motivation.

I am not sure but if scabbards are not traitor who is tipping them from zou.
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Wait .. How did orochi know they leapt 20 years ahead ?? Who gave him this info ??
 
Interesting read seems like the traitor is not giving complete info. Why is he not revealing himself ?

Why is that samurai loyal to orochi if they never met.

Point is traitor is probably double agent and has his own motivation.

I am not sure but if scabbards are not traitor who is tipping them from zou.
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Wait .. How did orochi know they leapt 20 years ahead ?? Who gave him this info ??
samurai doesnt need to be loyal if none of the scabbards is the traitor.

I guess a mink would make the most sense considering they knew raizo was in zou and minks also know about them leaping 20 years through time.

But this just opens up another issue, as it would need to be a mink who didnt know about raizos location.
 
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