Speculations Could Luffy use a sword against Kaido?!

[Shura]

Since everyone put their "reasonable" analysis of why Luffy "can't shouldn't" use swords, then let me also put my opinion using the similar logic on this thread....

First, lets start with this statement of Luffy

"I can't use a sword! I can't navigate either! I can't cook! I can't tell lies!"
"What can you do then?"
"I can beat you!"

So from this point we knew that it was Luffy's job to beat "main/strongest boss" of every arc.....

Now, things got changed in Wano.....as things stand, Zoro is going to participate and wound Kaido because he "got enma and cover page/Ryuma" foreshadow....see at best there are two or three foreshadowing is enough to say that Zoro goes against Kaido and "sharing" Luffy's job...

Now why can't Luffy use swords as there are enough "heavily" implied hints present here and there like

1) Luffy used sword in thriller bark
2) Luffy posed with swords in two or three cover pages especially with one or two of them with cursed sword Nidai Kitetsu
3) Luffy carried sword with him in the whole act
4) Luffy was trained by swordsman of Roger Pirates
5) WB uses blade weapon/Luffy's inspiration Shanks uses sword/Roger used swords and since Luffy is going to become PK and inheriting the will of Roger he also can inherit swordsmanship as a part of fighting style exactly like him as Zoro inherited Enma.
6) Luffy has just learnt adCoA/Ryou which is also called BOAT/GOAT/VOAT(Luffy already has this) and is a swordsman technique and Grandpa Hyo is a swordsman he could have taught Luffy a thing or two about using swords.
7) Lastly, "I will cut Kaido down" statement is uncharacteristic of Luffy as he always says "I am gonna beat you down/I will kick your ass" can be considered as "nail in the coffin" that Luffy incorporates swordsman ship in his fighting style.

From the above seven "heavily" implied hints, it is not far-fetched to conclude that Luffy incorporating swordsmanship into his fighting style is more likely than or as likely as Zoro wounding Kaido

it just makes him more versatile and as @Monkey D Theories said Brook's role is musician but his fighting style is swordsmanship....

But worry not, just like how Luffy is the one finishes his job, Zoro is the one who is going to be strongest swordsman and WSS while Luffy is going to be PK.

PS: As for other things like being cook/doctor/navigator/shipwright/musician...it was never "hinted" at any part throughout the manga and once Luffy cooked food and it was "gag" so it was not considered.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

and this underlines just how boring this shit it. So one dimensional.

Luffy is a simple character pal.

He's not complex or something...

Idk what you seek.

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Since everyone put their "reasonable" analysis of why Luffy "can't shouldn't" use swords, then let me also put my opinion using the similar logic on this thread....

First, lets start with this statement of Luffy

"I can't use a sword! I can't navigate either! I can't cook! I can't tell lies!"
"What can you do then?"
"I can beat you!"

So from this point we knew that it was Luffy's job to beat "main/strongest boss" of every arc.....

Now, things got changed in Wano.....as things stand, Zoro is going to participate and wound Kaido because he "got enma and cover page/Ryuma" foreshadow....see at best there are two or three foreshadowing is enough to say that Zoro goes against Kaido and "sharing" Luffy's job...

Now why can't Luffy use swords as there are enough "heavily" implied hints present here and there like

1) Luffy used sword in thriller bark
2) Luffy posed with swords in two or three cover pages especially with one or two of them with cursed sword Nidai Kitetsu
3) Luffy carried sword with him in the whole act
4) Luffy was trained by swordsman of Roger Pirates
5) WB uses blade weapon/Luffy's inspiration Shanks uses sword/Roger used swords and since Luffy is going to become PK and inheriting the will of Roger he also can inherit swordsmanship as a part of fighting style exactly like him as Zoro inherited Enma.
6) Luffy has just learnt adCoA/Ryou which is also called BOAT/GOAT/VOAT(Luffy already has this) and is a swordsman technique and Grandpa Hyo is a swordsman he could have taught Luffy a thing or two about using swords.
7) Lastly, "I will cut Kaido down" statement is uncharacteristic of Luffy as he always says "I am gonna beat you down/I will kick your ass" can be considered as "nail in the coffin" that Luffy incorporates swordsman ship in his fighting style.

From the above seven "heavily" implied hints, it is not far-fetched to conclude that Luffy incorporating swordsmanship into his fighting style is more likely than or as likely as Zoro wounding Kaido

it just makes him more versatile and as @Monkey D Theories said Brook's role is musician but his fighting style is swordsmanship....

But worry not, just like how Luffy is the one finishes his job, Zoro is the one who is going to be strongest swordsman and WSS while Luffy is going to be PK.

PS: As for other things like being cook/doctor/navigator/shipwright/musician...it was never "hinted" at any part throughout the manga and once Luffy cooked food and it was "gag" so it was not considered.

Bunch of these "hints" are just Oda placing the characters according the arc cultural theme( having a sword,sumon wrestling, covers ,phrases linked to such,etc)....I mean Ussop,Chopper are holding swords.

- Thriller bark...we all know it was cuz the shadows nothing else.

- Did Rayleigh teach him swordmanship?
....I recall he teach him the basics of Haki.

- Zoro is destined to be WSS ...taming enma is only a feat of such....
Inheriting what? huh?

- What Luffy learnt by Hyo was mainly used through his hands.... anything else is headcanon.
Plus what a faulty way to think that swordmanship can be learnt such way....

If anything Luffy will be like Garp but with a DF.


Comparing Zoro replicating Oden feat and Luffy using a sword properly is you mocking about Zoro.
The only reason ppl joke about Zoro replicating Oden feat is cuz in their minds Zoro show already all his power.
People have put a limit to a character unjustly,a character who is also destined to be a legend since the beginning.

For some "OP readers" the right hand of the future PK can't fight alongside him is impossible but at the same time some without EoS building at all makes sense ...wew


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Luffy has 0% experience in swordmanship sir yet you expect him to use one and do something equal to what a master swordman will probably achieve with years of training....some peeps do throw away reasoning....

 

[Monkey D Theories]

He'll be motivated to use a sword....

Cuz....

What he learnt is not enough?

Find some sense sir.

Luffy will bring the punches and Zoro the cuts :giggle:

he already wants to use a sword. Why is why he picked up the nidai kitetsu and another sword in the most recent chapter. He just needs to develop some techniques

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Luffy's ability to use or not use a sword has nothing to do with Zoro. Luffy incorporating one or two sword moves into his style won't invalidate Zoro as a character

 

[ShadyOjiro]

he already wants to use a sword. Why is why he picked up the nidai kitetsu and another sword in the most recent chapter. He just needs to develop some techniques

Again pal its to fit the theme of the arc, nothing new .You just thinking too deep in superficial things tbh.
A clear focus would have been given to justify such ,heck we saw him practicing his advCoA punches in amigasa village.


Chopper also picked a blade ...You gonna make a thread about him too, right? Usopp had one too.

Luffy is yet to show his new tecniques of adv CoA with G4 or something but some fans seems to already gave up,Oda obviously created new ones.

Leave the sword feat to the future WSS ;)

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Chopper also picked a blade ...You gonna make a thread about him too, right? Usopp had one too.
.

tbh I don't see why not for chopper

Chopper hasn't had a single power up since the TS began. As for Usopp, he only used it to demonstrate his snake oil, albeit he could use it as a projectile

 

[Shura]

What Luffy learnt by Hyo was mainly used through his hands.... anything else is headcanon.
Plus what a faulty way to think that swordmanship can be learnt such way....

why not..isn't Ryou swordsman technique instead of just being haki??..all Luffy has to do is hold the sword and coat it with Ryou and send slashes...no need to have named techniques like Zoro....he can be part time/amateur swordsman....

People have put a limit to a character unjustly,a character who is also destined to be a legend since the beginning.

why unjustly limit Luffy to just brawler....let him learn some sword fighting skills...afterall even Roger is hinted to have some....

For some "OP readers" the right hand of the future PK can't fight alongside him is impossible but at the same time some without EoS building at all makes sense ...wew

for some "OP readers", the future PK can't/shouldn't use swords as it doesn't make sense and at the same time past PK have been implied to use swords......

Luffy has 0% experience in swordmanship sir yet you expect him to use one and do something equal to what a master swordman will probably achieve with years of training....some peeps do throw away reasoning....

lol...he need not to become master swordsman...you are completely missing the point....he can learn a thing or two about swordsmanship...being master swordsman is being able to cut anything which he need not to do.....

PS: I am just saying possibilities...it may or may not happen...
.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

tbh I don't see why not for chopper

Chopper hasn't had a single power up since the TS began. As for Usopp, he only used it to demonstrate his snake oil, albeit he could use it as a projectile

I prefer Ussop enhancing his CoO and Chopper getting his DF awakened plus him creating something against Queen viral weapons.

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why not..isn't Ryou swordsman technique instead of just being haki??..all Luffy has to do is hold the sword and coat it with Ryou and send slashes...no need to have named techniques like Zoro....he can be part time/amateur swordsman....


why unjustly limit Luffy to just brawler....let him learn some sword fighting skills...afterall even Roger is hinted to have some....


for some "OP readers", the future PK can't/shouldn't use swords as it doesn't make sense and at the same time past PK have been implied to use swords......


lol...he need not to become master swordsman...you are completely missing the point.......being master swordsman is being able to cut anything which he need not to do.....

PS: I am just saying possibilities...it may or may not happen...
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Ryuo is the Wano term for Haki....I think we already know such .
Hyo would have asked Luffy to hold a sword if it was required, it's quite simple to understand tbh.

I pick a sword then a swing it and with my amateur ( for not saying zero) skills I will compare myself to the guy who has trained all his life in swordmanship, tell me how much hate Zoro .


Luffy has been a brawler for 900+ chap for Oda that's not gonna change,plus is not like simple brawler the DF exists for that.

Him using a sword must make you accept that anything he does with it will be far below what the future WSS will be able to do in power of skill against any enemy if you are ok with it as a impassable wall then give him one .

"He doesn't need to be a master swordman"
"Learning a thing or two...."

Yet with this you expect him to do the same of what a master swordman( future WSS) will acomplish with years of training....

It will not happen sir ,OP will remain as a good story .

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Luffy will start using a weapon for sure whether a sword or pipe
Even Garp is known for throwing canon balls.

He doesnt need to be a sword master

 

[Shura]

I pick a sword then a swing it and with my amateur ( for not saying zero) skills I will compare myself to the guy who has trained all his life in swordmanship, tell me how much hate Zoro .

don't say things which I didn't say....when did I say the bolded part...?

also you people have problem with this because it was mentioned sword...you don't mind if Luffy uses club like Kaido or rod like Sabo....not like he uses it anyways...

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

would it really be that difficult for Luffy to have learned how to use it somewhere during his prison training with Hyou?

You realise swordsmanship isnt like haki which is a supplement to fighting styles... Swordsmanship is a fighting style in and of itself... by this logic, Luffy could learn fishman karate in two weeks or the six powers in two weeks or Sanji's black leg style or Don Sai's Hado style in two weeks

Haki isn't a fighting style... there's no such thing as a "Haki man" like people claim... Luffy has never learned people's fighting styles... he's always just been a brawler... What you are insisting is virtually unprecedented... Therefore there's no way t was off screened... if Luffy is to learn an entirely new fighting style, there's no way it eould be fuckin off screened

 

[Finalbeta]

Yeah, but Luffy has ACoA

he doesn't need to be as good of a swordsman as Zoro. Combine ACoA, a sword, and a new G4 form and Luffy could do a shitton of damage to Kaido

Zoro will gain it too by the training

 

[Homelander]

I dont think luffy even know sword fight. I doubt hyougorou taught him except advanced haki.

However it will be used for comic relief.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Since everyone put their "reasonable" analysis of why Luffy "can't shouldn't" use swords, then let me also put my opinion using the similar logic on this thread....

First, lets start with this statement of Luffy

"I can't use a sword! I can't navigate either! I can't cook! I can't tell lies!"
"What can you do then?"
"I can beat you!"

So from this point we knew that it was Luffy's job to beat "main/strongest boss" of every arc.....

Now, things got changed in Wano.....as things stand, Zoro is going to participate and wound Kaido because he "got enma and cover page/Ryuma" foreshadow....see at best there are two or three foreshadowing is enough to say that Zoro goes against Kaido and "sharing" Luffy's job...

Now why can't Luffy use swords as there are enough "heavily" implied hints present here and there like

1) Luffy used sword in thriller bark
2) Luffy posed with swords in two or three cover pages especially with one or two of them with cursed sword Nidai Kitetsu
3) Luffy carried sword with him in the whole act
4) Luffy was trained by swordsman of Roger Pirates
5) WB uses blade weapon/Luffy's inspiration Shanks uses sword/Roger used swords and since Luffy is going to become PK and inheriting the will of Roger he also can inherit swordsmanship as a part of fighting style exactly like him as Zoro inherited Enma.
6) Luffy has just learnt adCoA/Ryou which is also called BOAT/GOAT/VOAT(Luffy already has this) and is a swordsman technique and Grandpa Hyo is a swordsman he could have taught Luffy a thing or two about using swords.
7) Lastly, "I will cut Kaido down" statement is uncharacteristic of Luffy as he always says "I am gonna beat you down/I will kick your ass" can be considered as "nail in the coffin" that Luffy incorporates swordsman ship in his fighting style.

From the above seven "heavily" implied hints, it is not far-fetched to conclude that Luffy incorporating swordsmanship into his fighting style is more likely than or as likely as Zoro wounding Kaido

it just makes him more versatile and as @Monkey D Theories said Brook's role is musician but his fighting style is swordsmanship....

But worry not, just like how Luffy is the one finishes his job, Zoro is the one who is going to be strongest swordsman and WSS while Luffy is going to be PK.

PS: As for other things like being cook/doctor/navigator/shipwright/musician...it was never "hinted" at any part throughout the manga and once Luffy cooked food and it was "gag" so it was not considered.

You do realize using the WSJ cover of Luffy using Nidai Kitetsu (which he doesn’t have anymore and shows no interest in getting again) as proof of him using a sword against Kaido is a double edged sword, right? Because he was sharing that cover with Zoro and his Sandai Kitetsu. Remember who made Sandai? Hitetsu. So Zoro is rocking swords made by Kozaburo and Hitetsu, just like he has since chapter 97, just like Oden (who scarred Kaido btw).

Also, Zoro is the only character who defeated the main villain of his intro arc (Zoro defeated Morgan, Luffy defeated Helmeppo), he’s also the dude who took responsibility to fight Kuma (someone on the same level or even stronger than Moria) when Luffy couldn’t.

Then there’s the parallels that have been built up. Zoro is slated to get a black blade in the future, like Dragonslayer Ryuma. He’s also been rocking swords made by the same men as Oden since chapter 97. Now he has those same two swords, plus one of Oden’s actual swords...the same one that actually scarred Kaido. What’s the purpose of Oda mentioning the fact that it scarred Kaido if it’s not gonna be put to the test? Hyping Enma up by its grade and the fact that Oden used it should be enough to hype it up, right? Then there’s Hitetsu, stating that only Oden, and now Zoro, have tamed Enma. I wonder what that coul
Plus, it’s not like Luffy is gonna fight Kaido by himself. People have suspected that other Worst Generation members will help. Good thing Zoro is part of the Worst Generation. He’s also the only one other than Luffy with an actual method to damage Kaido.

 

[Homelander]

I dont think luffy even know sword fight. I doubt hyougorou taught him except advanced haki.

However it will be used for comic relief.

 

[mad monk]

Yes. As someone who has no Idea of swordmanship, he will accidentally cut Kaido's head off using a random swing so at that moment people will realize how weak Kaido actually is:smithnie:

 

[nik87]

Some people are really desperate to make Luffy into the cool swordboi while he will always be the baka rubberboi.

 

[Shura]

yeah...no need to become bland swordboi when you can be baka rubberboi....

 

[Finalbeta]

I dont think luffy even know sword fight. I doubt hyougorou taught him except advanced haki.

However it will be used for comic relief.

Yes he just knows a little; what he gathered from his Nightmare version

 

[Ena]

Since everyone put their "reasonable" analysis of why Luffy "can't shouldn't" use swords, then let me also put my opinion using the similar logic on this thread....

First, lets start with this statement of Luffy

"I can't use a sword! I can't navigate either! I can't cook! I can't tell lies!"
"What can you do then?"
"I can beat you!"

So from this point we knew that it was Luffy's job to beat "main/strongest boss" of every arc.....

Now, things got changed in Wano.....as things stand, Zoro is going to participate and wound Kaido because he "got enma and cover page/Ryuma" foreshadow....see at best there are two or three foreshadowing is enough to say that Zoro goes against Kaido and "sharing" Luffy's job...

Now why can't Luffy use swords as there are enough "heavily" implied hints present here and there like

1) Luffy used sword in thriller bark
2) Luffy posed with swords in two or three cover pages especially with one or two of them with cursed sword Nidai Kitetsu
3) Luffy carried sword with him in the whole act
4) Luffy was trained by swordsman of Roger Pirates
5) WB uses blade weapon/Luffy's inspiration Shanks uses sword/Roger used swords and since Luffy is going to become PK and inheriting the will of Roger he also can inherit swordsmanship as a part of fighting style exactly like him as Zoro inherited Enma.
6) Luffy has just learnt adCoA/Ryou which is also called BOAT/GOAT/VOAT(Luffy already has this) and is a swordsman technique and Grandpa Hyo is a swordsman he could have taught Luffy a thing or two about using swords.
7) Lastly, "I will cut Kaido down" statement is uncharacteristic of Luffy as he always says "I am gonna beat you down/I will kick your ass" can be considered as "nail in the coffin" that Luffy incorporates swordsman ship in his fighting style.

From the above seven "heavily" implied hints, it is not far-fetched to conclude that Luffy incorporating swordsmanship into his fighting style is more likely than or as likely as Zoro wounding Kaido

it just makes him more versatile and as @Monkey D Theories said Brook's role is musician but his fighting style is swordsmanship....

But worry not, just like how Luffy is the one finishes his job, Zoro is the one who is going to be strongest swordsman and WSS while Luffy is going to be PK.

PS: As for other things like being cook/doctor/navigator/shipwright/musician...it was never "hinted" at any part throughout the manga and once Luffy cooked food and it was "gag" so it was not considered.

yes, luffy used a sword in thriller bark... but it was a temporary PU because he had the shadow of a swordsman
yes, luffy was posing with swords in a cover page... just like usopp and robin, do you expect them to fight using a sword?

yes, the swordsman of roger pirates trained luffy... but never taught him how to use a sword. Sanji trained with ivankov and never used okama kenpo
yes, the PK used a sword... but roger was not a DF user so he and luffy they don't need to have the same fighting style

luffy's grandfather, (prime) garp was the strongest brawler... again shanks is not a df user they aren't bound to have the same fighting style, it seems like shanks uses some kind of advanced CoC and luffy may learn it though... and luffy is already inheriting the will of shanks/roger since chapter 1, when he received the strawhat. No need to force swordsmanship on him...

advanced coa is nothing but advanced coa, swordsman may use it but it doesn't mean the power is restricted to swordsmen. Sentomaru used a lesser form of it and he was a brawler...

luffy said he would beat big mom like twice but ran away during their fight lmao he may really try to cut kaido but that does not mean he is capable of this achievement...

So yeah I'm not buying this "Luffy swordsman" thing, thank you for presenting good arguments though

 

[Homelander]

I dunno why people take cover page seriously. Even ussop has sword does that mean ussop will fight with a sword ?