this has been adressed if you read my other points
this kind of comment isnt unique to sanji in the crew
jinbei was a pirate captain
only one person has been referred to as the rhm or second in command in the strawhat pirates.
point of contention here is not whether or not sanji is strong enough to be a captain .
so how relevant is this to me?
not much . point is to prove why sanji why sanji is the rhm to luffy based on what has been said by other characters in the story.
if you think about it this way
cracker
katakuri
smoothie are strong enough to make absalom think they arent just mere underlings as well however just one is the rhm .
clearly the reason sanji isnt the captain or rhm is because the crew has someone more exceptional above him.doesnt take away from sanji being strong.
sanji doesnt have to be the rhm for this proposed fight with king to happen either.
So now you wanna take Sanji's comment away and say everyone can do it. Fine I could easily say that the Franky family would think Sanji was the captain if he was leading the low trio in front of them. Or if Sanji nearly attacked a World Noble in front of Urouge....Urouge would say the exact comment for him. Stop dismissing Sanji's and then putting Zoro's on a pedestal. Absaldom was shocked at Sanji due to what he showed. And thought he should be a Captain. End of story....
Oh so now when Sanji defeats the second strongest.... it doesnt matter....but when Zoro does it. It means he is the FM/VC ? The one that "always" takes on the second strongest...
So now you wanna take Sanji's comment away and say everyone can do it. Fine I could easily say that the Franky family would think Sanji was the captain if he was leading the low trio in front of them. Or if Sanji nearly attacked a World Noble in front of Urouge....Urouge would say the exact comment for him. Stop dismissing Sanji's and then putting Zoro's on a pedestal. Absaldom was shocked at Sanji due to what he showed. And thought he should be a Captain. End of story....
Oh so now when Sanji defeats the second strongest.... it doesnt matter....but when Zoro does it. It means he is the FM/VC ? The one that "always" takes on the second strongest...
"So now you wanna take Sanji's comment away and say everyone can do it."
think you misread
characters have thought zoro wasnt an underling. that isnt an argument for why he is the rhm. case in point
there arent multiple rhm's , I was using that logic to show why your logic is flawed. sanji being strong in comparison to absalom
doesnt make him the rhm of the sh pirates.
"Oh so now when Sanji defeats the second strongest.."
sanji has defeated the second strongest before has he not or do you just peddle that argument for arlong park just to shit on it now.
i am not taking anything away
all I asked was for a simple panel
where characters in op assumed sanji was the rhm. think also what you are missing here is doing something one time over doing something a majority of the time is the set pattern. zoro takes down the number 2 most of the time, that proves he's the second strongest fighter not the rhm. as for sanji fighting king as possible proof for this?
um zoro and luffy are together fighting kaido .......um .. .
"Fine I could easily say that the Franky family would think Sanji was the captain if he was leading the low trio in front of them. Or if Sanji nearly attacked a World Noble in front of Urouge....Urouge would say the exact comment for him"
indeed you can
doesnt provide proof of anyone who thinks sanji is the strawhats rhm in the story . at this point you are circling around and becoming desperate. find the panel or am really getting tired of this.
"So now you wanna take Sanji's comment away and say everyone can do it."
think you misread
characters have thought zoro wasnt an underling. that isnt an argument for why he is the rhm. case in point
there arent multiple rhm's , I was using that logic to show why your logic is flawed. sanji being strong in comparison to absalom
doesnt make him the rhm of the sh pirates.
"Oh so now when Sanji defeats the second strongest.."
sanji has defeated the second strongest before has he not or do you just peddle that argument for arlong park just to shit on it now.
i am not taking anything away
all I asked was for a simple panel
where characters in op assumed sanji was the rhm. think also what you are missing here is doing something one time over doing something a majority of the time is the set pattern. zoro takes down the number 2 most of the time, that proves he's the second strongest fighter not the rhm. as for sanji fighting king as possible proof for this?
um zoro and luffy are together fighting kaido .......um .. .
"Fine I could easily say that the Franky family would think Sanji was the captain if he was leading the low trio in front of them. Or if Sanji nearly attacked a World Noble in front of Urouge....Urouge would say the exact comment for him"
indeed you can
doesnt provide proof of anyone who thinks sanji is the strawhats rhm in the story . at this point you are circling around and becoming desperate. find the panel or am really getting tired of this.
Going by your logic....then the only comment that ever made Zoro look like the RHM...is what Barto said, And if thats the case...why tf did you say this...
Yes Sanji has but no one buys that Kuroobi is the obvious second strongest. Thus I cant be asked to argue it right now. However Sanji defeating King is undeniable proof that Sanji can defeat the second strongest.
Fine going by all your logic....Zoro has only ever been confirmed as VC by Barto. A dude who's only met the SHs in Dressrosa. And made the conclusion Zoro is VC due to having the second highest bounty and being in the SNs ( which is also bounty related).
Going by your logic....then the only comment that ever made Zoro look like the RHM...is what Barto said, And if thats the case...why tf did you say this...
Yes Sanji has but no one buys that Kuroobi is the obvious second strongest. Thus I cant be asked to argue it right now. However Sanji defeating King is undeniable proof that Sanji can defeat the second strongest.
Fine going by all your logic....Zoro has only ever been confirmed as VC by Barto. A dude who's only met the SHs in Dressrosa. And made the conclusion Zoro is VC due to having the second highest bounty and being in the SNs ( which is also bounty related).
you could also put an imaginary scenario and null and void the barto comment.
perhaps I should say this without the katakuri , smoothie , cracker comparison.
absalom is referencing sanji's strength. how strong he is
urouge and bartolomeo are calling out a position in the crew -2nd in command.
"Fine going by all your logic....Zoro has only ever been confirmed as VC by Barto. A dude who's only met the SHs in Dressrosa. And made the conclusion Zoro is VC due to having the second highest bounty and being in the SNs ( which is also bounty related)."
2 characters in the story
written by the author oda
I think I would value their statements a lot more than chrono's take on it . ..........
any person reading this , if sanji is the rhm yet isnt part of the worst generation
isnt part of the leaders of the next generation of pirates as they take on kaido/bm is nothing short of living in gross denial. but thats what being a fanboy is , defending a character even when it seems illogical.
sanji is strong
just clearly not the rhm..
why is this whole argument important?
cause clearly as much as we argue here this isnt determined by the fanbase
whether the strawhats have an official vc or not can be argued for days. point is
characters in the story have never called sanji the vc of the strawhats and will never following current trajectory.
I never raised the bounty point
and I dont believe barto did. you are just jumping to conclusions here ...
Going by your logic....then the only comment that ever made Zoro look like the RHM...is what Barto said, And if thats the case...why tf did you say this...
Yes Sanji has but no one buys that Kuroobi is the obvious second strongest. Thus I cant be asked to argue it right now. However Sanji defeating King is undeniable proof that Sanji can defeat the second strongest.
Fine going by all your logic....Zoro has only ever been confirmed as VC by Barto. A dude who's only met the SHs in Dressrosa. And made the conclusion Zoro is VC due to having the second highest bounty and being in the SNs ( which is also bounty related).
"Yes Sanji has but no one buys that Kuroobi is the obvious second strongest. Thus I cant be asked to argue it right now. However Sanji defeating King is undeniable proof that Sanji can defeat the second strongest."
I could buy it
doesnt change sanji's standing in the crew
one time versus numerous times.
law of averages here.
maybe he could defeat the same opponents zoro could at that point in time
maybe not
but the fact oda decided to give him the 3rd strongest opponent most of the time reflects his status as a fighter in the crew.
you could also put an imaginary scenario and null and void the barto comment.
perhaps I should say this without the katakuri , smoothie , cracker comparison.
absalom is referencing sanji's strength. how strong he is
urouge and bartolomeo are calling out a position in the crew -2nd in command.
"Fine going by all your logic....Zoro has only ever been confirmed as VC by Barto. A dude who's only met the SHs in Dressrosa. And made the conclusion Zoro is VC due to having the second highest bounty and being in the SNs ( which is also bounty related)."
2 characters in the story
written by the author oda
I think I would value their statements a lot more than chrono's take on it . ..........
any person reading this , if sanji is the rhm yet isnt part of the worst generation
isnt part of the leaders of the next generation of pirates as they take on kaido/bm is nothing short of living in gross denial. but thats what being a fanboy is , defending a character even when it seems illogical.
sanji is strong
just clearly not the rhm..
why is this whole argument important?
cause clearly as much as we argue here this isnt determined by the fanbase
whether the strawhats have an official vc or not can be argued for days. point is
characters in the story have never called sanji the vc of the strawhats and will never following current trajectory.
I never raised the bounty point
and I dont believe barto did. you are just jumping to conclusions here ...
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"Yes Sanji has but no one buys that Kuroobi is the obvious second strongest. Thus I cant be asked to argue it right now. However Sanji defeating King is undeniable proof that Sanji can defeat the second strongest."
I could buy it
doesnt change sanji's standing in the crew
one time versus numerous times.
law of averages here.
maybe he could defeat the same opponents zoro could at that point in time
maybe not
but the fact oda decided to give him the 3rd strongest opponent most of the time reflects his status as a fighter in the crew.
Either way its obvious that people assume this because of bounty or his status as an SN. Because people you mention only say it upon meeting Zoro. Meaning there was previous assumption there. Its not that they see Zoro acting like a FM/VC. And funnily enough both have never met Sanji....
We'll see. Oda destroys each headcannon anyways.
- First it was Zoro will always have the bigger bounty...then that got debunked.
- Then it was Zoro always defeats the second strongest....that will also get officially debunked soon.
- Last one is that characters call him the second strongest and not Sanji. I mean you can ignore the Queen statement. But sooner or later it'll happen for Sanji as well.
Either way its obvious that people assume this because of bounty or his status as an SN. Because people you mention only say it upon meeting Zoro. Meaning there was previous assumption there. Its not that they see Zoro acting like a FM/VC. And funnily enough both have never met Sanji....
We'll see. Oda destroys each headcannon anyways.
- First it was Zoro will always have the bigger bounty...then that got debunked.
- Then it was Zoro always defeats the second strongest....that will also get officially debunked soon.
- Last one is that characters call him the second strongest and not Sanji. I mean you can ignore the Queen statement. But sooner or later it'll happen for Sanji as well.
"- First it was Zoro will always have the bigger bounty...then that got debunked.
- Then it was Zoro always defeats the second strongest....that will also get officially debunked soon. "
never thought of these so am fine with whatever was destroyed . neither is anything to brag about however
- bounty raise due to his family
- king at best while luffy and zoro are in the boss battle.
"Last one is that characters call him the second strongest and not Sanji. I mean you can ignore the Queen statement. But sooner or later it'll happen for Sanji as well"
solid doubt this happens.
queen statement isnt ignored
its ambiguous.
"- First it was Zoro will always have the bigger bounty...then that got debunked.
- Then it was Zoro always defeats the second strongest....that will also get officially debunked soon. "
never thought of these so am fine with whatever was destroyed . neither is anything to brag about however
- bounty raise due to his family
- king at best while luffy and zoro are in the boss battle.
"Last one is that characters call him the second strongest and not Sanji. I mean you can ignore the Queen statement. But sooner or later it'll happen for Sanji as well"
solid doubt this happens.
queen statement isnt ignored
its ambiguous.
You can go make your excuses. I can also easily makes excuses such as Zoro got an unfair advantage when it comes to bounties...since he already had notriety beforehand... whilst Sanji had nothing
Zoro wont defeat Kaido. So it dont really matter bringing Kaido up. Do you see us bringing up Sanji fighting Vergo whilst Zoro fought Monet. All that matter is who defeats the person
Ambigious, but pretty damn clear what its hinting at if you ignore the vague Viz translation....where many translators argue against Stephen for that specific translation. But again it doesnt matter. I dont wanna break the whole....."Only Viz has the true translation" shit. Since Viz will benefit me in the future too....
You can go make your excuses. I can also easily makes excuses such as Zoro got an unfair advantage when it comes to bounties...since he already had notriety beforehand... whilst Sanji had nothing
Zoro wont defeat Kaido. So it dont really matter bringing Kaido up. Do you see us bringing up Sanji fighting Vergo whilst Zoro fought Monet. All that matter is who defeats the person
Ambigious, but pretty damn clear what its hinting at if you ignore the vague Viz translation....where many translators argue against Stephen for that specific translation. But again it doesnt matter. I dont wanna break the whole....."Only Viz has the true translation" shit. Since Viz will benefit me in the future too....
not excuses
all 5 sns will play a part in taking down kaido and possibly big mom . would be delusional to think they play a lesser role than anyone under the roof. lmao. I hope you understand that luffy being the main force in this battle doesnt mean the others simply do nothing. lol.
if you ignore the vague Viz translation
ignore the official translation?
uh you do that....
"Since Viz will benefit me in the future too.... "
then you just confirmed you take the viz for your argument when it proves your point and want to neglect it when it doesnt. ....
which is why in the first place that argument is bullshit .
puck is a translator
acknolagon is another
stephen is another. I have seen different interpretations so I stick with the official whether it confirms my headcanons or not.
"Do you see us bringing up Sanji fighting Vergo whilst Zoro fought Monet. All that matter is who defeats the person"
read what you posted again and you will realize why this point is ironic.
you literally cant
vergo broke his leg
sanji implied it would have been bad if it went on. bad analogy
he wasnt close to defeating vergo
the person who did was law. rightfully so.
SH have no first mate Zoro is equal to Sanji (Yeah I said it)
All of them are loyal to Luffy. No one is more loyal than the next crewmate
Everyone saves someone on this crew. Doesn't make them more valuable than the next.
SH have no first mate
Zoro is equal to Sanji (Yeah I said it)
All of them are loyal to Luffy. No one is more loyal than the next crewmate
Everyone saves someone on this crew. Doesn't make them more valuable than the next.
You that claim that Zoro is as strong as Sanji, what is your rationale?
If Page One can make Sanji experience pain in his RS, what kind of pain can Zoro make him experience by hurling his current overall arsenal against Sanji? Not that it's necessitated in that considering the RS likely to be as durable as Kaido's skin is straight up ridiculous.
not excuses
all 5 sns will play a part in taking down kaido and possibly big mom . would be delusional to think they play a lesser role than anyone under the roof. lmao. I hope you understand that luffy being the main force in this battle doesnt mean the others simply do nothing. lol.
if you ignore the vague Viz translation
ignore the official translation?
uh you do that....
"Since Viz will benefit me in the future too.... "
then you just confirmed you take the viz for your argument when it proves your point and want to neglect it when it doesnt. ....
which is why in the first place that argument is bullshit .
puck is a translator
acknolagon is another
stephen is another. I have seen different interpretations so I stick with the official whether it confirms my headcanons or not.
"Do you see us bringing up Sanji fighting Vergo whilst Zoro fought Monet. All that matter is who defeats the person"
read what you posted again and you will realize why this point is ironic.
you literally cant
vergo broke his leg
sanji implied it would have been bad if it went on. bad analogy
he wasnt close to defeating vergo
the person who did was law. rightfully so.
Yh please stop acting as if you know that...If their feats arent up to par. I dont give a fuck if that rooftop is in heaven. Their potrayal means absolute ass....and all of that hype was just hype for Luffy.
Stick to the official no one is stopping you.
So if Kaido does damage to Zoro then the damage he does to Kaido becomes useless ? Ok. Good to know. I will make sure to give all the props to Luffy. And even with Law's contribution to Doffy, most....if not everyone says Luffy defeated Doffy. Nobody gives a fuck about who helps Luffy at the end of the day. It matter about how Luffy defeats them.
Yh please stop acting as if you know that...If their feats arent up to par. I dont give a fuck if that rooftop is in heaven. Their potrayal means absolute ass....and all of that hype was just hype for Luffy.
Stick to the official no one is stopping you.
So if Kaido does damage to Zoro then the damage he does to Kaido becomes useless ? Ok. Good to know. I will make sure to give all the props to Luffy. And even with Law's contribution to Doffy, most....if not everyone says Luffy defeated Doffy. Nobody gives a fuck about who helps Luffy at the end of the day. It matter about how Luffy defeats them.
"Nobody gives a fuck about who helps Luffy at the end of the day. It matter about how Luffy defeats them."
you dont care and thats fine
manga : law and luffy alliance took down doflamingo
"They are the ones to defeat kaido"
I agree get back on topic .
"I really hope King gets good hype soon. Hype the sets him apart from Queen"
if he does and sanji doesnt fight him
but instead queen
will you change your perspective on both fighters?
"Nobody gives a fuck about who helps Luffy at the end of the day. It matter about how Luffy defeats them."
you dont care and thats fine
manga : law and luffy alliance took down doflamingo
"They are the ones to defeat kaido"
I agree get back on topic .
"I really hope King gets good hype soon. Hype the sets him apart from Queen"
if he does and sanji doesnt fight him
but instead queen
will you change your perspective on both fighters?
No. King was always the FM, but him and Queen were close to each other in lvl. Sadly I'd have to stick to this headcannon, if Sanji defeats King. However if King gets hype or a feat of overpowering Marco then we have a solid King > Queen.
However if Sanji fights Queen, I'll stick to the headcannon I still have of them being close to each other. Unless, of course King shows a better feat of defeating Marco.
Anyways yh I only see Sanji vs King anyways. Sanji vs Queen has 1% chance of happening if we take into account all of Oda's fight set-up structure.
No. King was always the FM, but him and Queen were close to each other in lvl. Sadly I'd have to stick to this headcannon, if Sanji defeats King. However if King gets hype or a feat of overpowering Marco then we have a solid King > Queen.
However if Sanji fights Queen, I'll stick to the headcannon I still have of them being close to each other. Unless, of course King shows a better feat of defeating Marco.
Anyways yh I only see Sanji vs King anyways. Sanji vs Queen has 1% chance of happening if we take into account all of Oda's fight set-up structure.
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