General & Others Is Zoro the vice-captain or close? Is he Lufy's right-hand man?

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what really happened here is scopper who was sanji's parallel in the fandoms minds is yet to make an appearance . until that happens, unfortunately this will happen. I dont think we are going to get anywhere with this thread. point blank being
rayleigh was the first mate of the pirate king not a vc
zoro is the first mate of the future pirate king
the right hand man on ray's intro was written in quotes because that is the world's perception of who he is but his official title is a first mate.
we already have two people currently in the op world that view zoro that way. Urouge and bartolomeo
surprised no one mentioned jimbei but sanji was the first thing that came to mind.
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1. You are proving my point with loose parallels. Yea if you want you can litteraly make 100% of the op verse parallel someone from the past.

2. Yea being scared in a similar manner and having a similar mannerism is substantial. Saying stuff like sanji fast and rayliegh is fast so parallels. Or sanji has blonde hair and rayliegh has blonde hair so parallels. Guess what roger used a sword and brook uses a sword so parallels. Oh brook has black hair and roger had black hair so parallels.

3. Lol 70% of op are not swordsmen just stop right there. I said both are swordsmen not this ''sword user'' bs fans made and damn sure didn't mix that with ''blade user''. Zoro and rayliegh are both swordsmen it stops and ends there don't over complicate it.

None of what i said are weak as parallels. They are core parts of the characters that we know of rn. No its none sense when you make loose parallels like fucking hair to parallel someone to someone else. Like i just did with brook and roger you can't make loose parallels. If you don't agree then you have to agree brook is rogers parallel you can't have it both ways.

No he's not. Name things of substance sanji has to rayliegh. You write all this but anything sanji really has to rayliegh. Take away zoro and there isn't parallels in the sh's to rayliegh. Go on try and make a parallel without zoro just sanji to rayliegh and watch you say stuff like:
- both characters kicked ( most all the sh's have kicked so most of sh's are parallels to rayliegh)
- oh they have blonde hair ( wb had blonde hair guess sanji is his parallel to)
- they both are fast ( all the m3 are fast hell brook is fast as well and he's not a m3. So 4 sh parallel rayliegh)
- both perverts ( this is the only legit parallels but just like brook being a swordsmen like rayliegh its not enough to make a parallel)
Loose parallels don't work. Loose parallels are parallels you can apply easily to anyone like god damn hair.There isn't a carbon copy from the old gen to the new gen. Yea to make a perfect parallel you have to add more characters. Example to make a perfect roger you need luffy zoro and robin to get as close to roger as possible not just luffy. Don't see you making that argument.

4. I'm gonna ask you just like i asked the other 2 that quoted me with this. How can luffy's crew be better than roger's if his 2nd and 3rd strongest only = rogers second strongest?
Manga : Luffy says he will have a crew stronger than the RHP.


All knowing OP "readers" : no, no he meant that he will form alliances to be stronger....
 
Manga : Luffy says he will have a crew stronger than the RHP.


All knowing OP "readers" : no, no he meant that he will form alliances to be stronger....
Just wanna know how many time luffy used allies to beat crews. It was always mostly his crew with a little help from who ever the allies were on the islands. But now that gonna change and allies will be more important than his crew. When the 2 in question 1 will be a top tier and the other might reach that level which is way more than allies. We are talking 2 potential top tiers here and people are saying it takes those 2 to equal 1 other top tier and allies will be over them?
 
I don't know if the other Straw Hats and Roger Pirates will have anymore parallels to each other. Crocus could be seen as the Chopper of the Roger Pirates, but does Oda draw a poetic symbolism between the two?
 
1. You are proving my point with loose parallels. Yea if you want you can litteraly make 100% of the op verse parallel someone from the past.
That's the Point. But how are similarities for one character of higher weight than of another chracter, when both have their most quirks and characteristics similiar to the Person you compare them too? This is just a subjective view from you, when you Argument one sided. What you do.

Your Brook and Roger comparision is complete bs here. We are comparing Rayleigh - who was the closest to the captain rankwise - with the 2 closest to Luffy rankwise. They don't have official ranks ofc, but based on events, they are the ones closest to the rank of Vize Captain.
2. Yea being scared in a similar manner and having a similar mannerism is substantial. Saying stuff like sanji fast and rayliegh is fast so parallels. Or sanji has blonde hair and rayliegh has blonde hair so parallels. Guess what roger used a sword and brook uses a sword so parallels. Oh brook has black hair and roger had black hair so parallels.
Just so you know, i don't agree with Arguments like blonde hair etc. this doesn't say anything. Same goes for having scars. But while for you blonde hair is not an Argument, but scars are - how is that? Explain it to me. Both things are ''look'' based Features.
3. Lol 70% of op are not swordsmen just stop right there.
Just look at the Basic pirates and marines, most of them have swords on them.
None of what i said are weak as parallels. They are core parts of the characters that we know of rn. No its none sense when you make loose parallels like fucking hair to parallel someone to someone else.
I never made the hair parallel lol - don't mix me up here with someone.
Going by the ''weight'' of your ''significant'' Arguments - you have the same counter parts from Sanji.
As example:
Zoro - Rayleigh
1. Sword user (known for)
2. Like to drink (likings)
3. Scars (look)
Sanji - Rayleigh
1. Smart and think ahead (known for) - here you can even ad being fast, good swimmer etc.
2. Like Woman (likings)
3. Blonde hair (look)
Exact same Things - but somehow Zoro's similarities are Right and Sanji's are wrong??? They have the same weight...
Thinks like Swordskills, Speed, being a good Swimmer etc. are ability's. Can be used for parallels.
Rayleigh was shown to be very smart, in many and different situations. This is a big feature of his character. Is Zoro smart? Rayleigh himself said, that Zoro is not really bright. He said, that even the one who doesn't look very bright, will understand Luffy's message. Hinting that Zoro is the stupidest one in the SHC (Luffy not included). The exact opposide of Rayleigh.
While Rayleigh have a different Fighting style as Sanji.
What exactly Shows, that only Zoro or only Sanji are not very good parallels to Rayleigh.

Rayleigh is a mix of Sanji and Zoro - what is there even to argue about? Or is the Argument being a swordsman above everything?
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
Vice captain is here, since you don't need an official title, this will do it as well;

:cheers:

Usopp left the crew, abandoning his (self-appointed) Vice Captain title. Luffy didn't give him the position again.

So even if Usopp was the VC, he lost the spot when he left the crew.

Also notice how Usopp being VC is only brought up in comedic scenes, but when push comes to shove, it's Zoro leading when Luffy isn't around or can't do it.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Remember when rayleigh called roger a shit pirate and by his own admission hurt him to the best of his capabilities...
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That's the Point. But how are similarities for one character of higher weight than of another chracter, when both have their most quirks and characteristics similiar to the Person you compare them too? This is just a subjective view from you, when you Argument one sided. What you do.

Your Brook and Roger comparision is complete bs here. We are comparing Rayleigh - who was the closest to the captain rankwise - with the 2 closest to Luffy rankwise. They don't have official ranks ofc, but based on events, they are the ones closest to the rank of Vize Captain.

Just so you know, i don't agree with Arguments like blonde hair etc. this doesn't say anything. Same goes for having scars. But while for you blonde hair is not an Argument, but scars are - how is that? Explain it to me. Both things are ''look'' based Features.

Just look at the Basic pirates and marines, most of them have swords on them.

I never made the hair parallel lol - don't mix me up here with someone.
Going by the ''weight'' of your ''significant'' Arguments - you have the same counter parts from Sanji.
As example:
Zoro - Rayleigh
1. Sword user (known for)
2. Like to drink (likings)
3. Scars (look)
Sanji - Rayleigh
1. Smart and think ahead (known for) - here you can even ad being fast, good swimmer etc.
2. Like Woman (likings)
3. Blonde hair (look)
Exact same Things - but somehow Zoro's similarities are Right and Sanji's are wrong??? They have the same weight...
Thinks like Swordskills, Speed, being a good Swimmer etc. are ability's. Can be used for parallels.
Rayleigh was shown to be very smart, in many and different situations. This is a big feature of his character. Is Zoro smart? Rayleigh himself said, that Zoro is not really bright. He said, that even the one who doesn't look very bright, will understand Luffy's message. Hinting that Zoro is the stupidest one in the SHC (Luffy not included). The exact opposide of Rayleigh.
While Rayleigh have a different Fighting style as Sanji.
What exactly Shows, that only Zoro or only Sanji are not very good parallels to Rayleigh.

Rayleigh is a mix of Sanji and Zoro - what is there even to argue about? Or is the Argument being a swordsman above everything?
Huh. Who was the one who came up with the plan to counter mr 2s advantage over the crew?
Rayleighs fighting style lmfao hes done as many kicks as zoro.
 
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Shura

First, let me clarify one thing.....there is no "official" ranking in SH crew besides Luffy being the "captain" of SH crew

In manga, many times it was emphasized that SH crew is wild and each one is independent on their own unlike other pirate crews. Even Luffy got ordered many times by his other crew mates but most of the time critical decisions were taken by Luffy and crew follow his orders.

Now, come to second best i.e. being a VC of the crew

Zoro is viewed as VC by many in One Piece world and even as said in Data book (I don't take DB info at face value unless backed by manga) and even his fellow SN commented on this. You can't deny this fact.

But, most of these statements are because of him being strong not because of how he leads the crew. Even Nami ordered crew many times but she was not counted as VC.

If we go by strength, then it is Luffy > Zoro > Sanji and that is why Luffy is captain and Zoro is second best. Also, Luffy and Zoro dynamic is always special. So it is not far-fetched to consider Zoro as a RHM.

Conclusion:

1) There is no Vice Captain in SHP
2) There is only one rank "captain" and that is Luffy
3) Zoro is the RHM of Luffy
4) If at all in future Oda allots hierarchy based on "rank", then my best bet is Zoro
 
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Rayleigh is the best character, he is better than Zoro.

Zoro is still very beastly though.

Rayleigh is the jack of all trades.

Rayleigh is Sanji and Zoro in one person.

Take all the skill of Sanji and combine it with Zoro, you get Rayleigh.
No Rayleigh is not Zoro nor Sanji.
Rayleigh is:
- old
- but sometimes don't act like his age
- uses single sword instead of 3
- womanizer
- not a cook
- has epithet of King (Dark King)

Who also fit all the above category? It's Brook.
 
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