Future Events Who Will Defeat King?
Translation for the logical people on this forum:
Arguments for Sanji VS Queen:
- Please ignore that panel about Queen talking about his old pal's son because it shows actual plot relevance to Sanji
Arguments for Sanji VS King:
- King and Sanji fly
- King and Sanji have flying attacks
- He clashed with King, Drake, and Page One but please ignore the last two
- He points to flying people
- He's going to this destination
- In this destination, stuff I want to happen will happen because I want it too (Part 1)
- In this destination, stuff I want to happen will happen because I want it too (Part 2)
- In this destination, stuff I want to happen will happen because I want it too (Part 3)
Arguments for Sanji VS Queen:
- Please ignore that panel about Queen talking about his old pal's son because it shows actual plot relevance to Sanji
Arguments for Sanji VS King:
- King and Sanji fly
- King and Sanji have flying attacks
- He clashed with King, Drake, and Page One but please ignore the last two
- He points to flying people
- He's going to this destination
- In this destination, stuff I want to happen will happen because I want it too (Part 1)
- In this destination, stuff I want to happen will happen because I want it too (Part 2)
- In this destination, stuff I want to happen will happen because I want it too (Part 3)
Sanji was possible before when Zoro was fighting on the rooftop while Sanji already had a clash with King, but with Zoro coming back below the rooftop, he became the primarily candidate again, not only due to history(Zoro facing the stronger opponent, King and Queen having similar relationship with Zoro and Sanji, with the respective former having the edge), but rooftop Zoro came out of it having a hint of conqueror haki potential, with King being more likely than Queen to have it if anyone among Kaido's subordinates is supposed to have it or at the very least wanting to take out the primarily dangerous opponent among the enemies
Furthermore, Sanji has a build-up with Queen(Queen is the one who sent the tobi roppo for Sanji, the one who knows Judge, the scientist with potential interess in the raid suit), making it more likely for Queen to end up being his opponent
One thing against this though is the fact Zoro is currently weakened, but with Marco around, there is a feasable scenario where he could heal Zoro back but with the condition of him not acting too recklessly, a little bit like he explained to the animal at the sphynx island
And for the ones who might be worried about King's showings due to Zoro's condition, i don't think it'd make King look bad at all, considering post-rooftop Zoro not only is stronger than pre-rooftop Zoro, but there could be more developments around his conqueror haki, not to mention potential build-ups around turning Enma black or/and the nidai kitetsu
Furthermore, Sanji has a build-up with Queen(Queen is the one who sent the tobi roppo for Sanji, the one who knows Judge, the scientist with potential interess in the raid suit), making it more likely for Queen to end up being his opponent
One thing against this though is the fact Zoro is currently weakened, but with Marco around, there is a feasable scenario where he could heal Zoro back but with the condition of him not acting too recklessly, a little bit like he explained to the animal at the sphynx island
And for the ones who might be worried about King's showings due to Zoro's condition, i don't think it'd make King look bad at all, considering post-rooftop Zoro not only is stronger than pre-rooftop Zoro, but there could be more developments around his conqueror haki, not to mention potential build-ups around turning Enma black or/and the nidai kitetsu
That's not even an argument because not every situation needs to be resolved the same way but ok if that's all you've got left then stick with that. I don't see why you think Sanji fighting King is so impossible, I have no problem with Queen being his opponent but I just know that won't be good on any level and if that fight happens you will see what I mean by that. Remember that there are nine other protagonists and they need to have a similar amount of time as well, just as Oda took Sanji out when Zoro was in action he will probably do the same for Zoro, which could last less than 10 chapters but having Zoro just be healed in an instant then leap at King for no reason.......ya not great.
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"Zoro ALWAYS fight the swordsman".
- Mr1>>>not a swordsman. Allows him to cut things he normally couldn't.
- Ohm>>>uses steel clouds (he keeps a sword but uses it to create whips, walls, etc.). Allows him to produce ranged attacks. Also showcases how he could more freely cut steel now.
- Kaku>>>>drops the "swords" he has as soon as he activates his DF. Fights with its abilities. Shows us Asura.
- Ryuma>>>swordsman. Had narrative implications. Zoro fights against a Wano samurai Zombie, land of powerful swordsmen. Not only that, he also craves Shuusui. Gives him a powerful new sword and thematically makes him win against a powerful swordsman that ACTUALLY fights primarily with his sword.
- Junkie Squidward>>> swordsman. Doesnt add anything new.
- Monet>>> uses icepicks, not swords. Shows how Zoro can deal with a Logia with pure intimidation. It could have been CoC foreshadowing.
- Pica>>> His main weapon is his DF. He is not shown constantly carrying a sword, different from Diamante. His swordmanship is garbage. His DF is what triggers Zoro's growth this battle, by making Zoro turn his blades black.
- King>>> Someone could argue that the only different thing King brings to the table would be his Fire power, but Zoro ALREADY learned how to do it. This fight wouldn't trigger anything new in this regard. Because he flies? Doesn't do anything for his future fight against Mihawk. He uses a sword almost as much as Pica does, so far. Queen has swords as well, who gives a fuck. Unlock CoC? already did against Kaido. Learn how to control it? Sounds more like the thing he would pick up on the following arc, instead of doing it on the same one. 2nd strongest enemy of the beast Pirates? well, Ryuma wasnt the second strongest enemy in TB. It was Oars (or Moria, if you want argue for that :P ).
It's not that "King won't be his opponent", it's just that I fail to see what King brings to the table as Zoro's opponent. If people already argue that Zoro is above "YC1", what kind of progression would it bring for Zoro to fight him right now?
I dont ignore the Judge connection.
I just dont jump on the train that thinks it automatically means they will fight because of it, without actually knowing what this connecting is.
- Mr1>>>not a swordsman. Allows him to cut things he normally couldn't.
- Ohm>>>uses steel clouds (he keeps a sword but uses it to create whips, walls, etc.). Allows him to produce ranged attacks. Also showcases how he could more freely cut steel now.
- Kaku>>>>drops the "swords" he has as soon as he activates his DF. Fights with its abilities. Shows us Asura.
- Ryuma>>>swordsman. Had narrative implications. Zoro fights against a Wano samurai Zombie, land of powerful swordsmen. Not only that, he also craves Shuusui. Gives him a powerful new sword and thematically makes him win against a powerful swordsman that ACTUALLY fights primarily with his sword.
- Junkie Squidward>>> swordsman. Doesnt add anything new.
- Monet>>> uses icepicks, not swords. Shows how Zoro can deal with a Logia with pure intimidation. It could have been CoC foreshadowing.
- Pica>>> His main weapon is his DF. He is not shown constantly carrying a sword, different from Diamante. His swordmanship is garbage. His DF is what triggers Zoro's growth this battle, by making Zoro turn his blades black.
- King>>> Someone could argue that the only different thing King brings to the table would be his Fire power, but Zoro ALREADY learned how to do it. This fight wouldn't trigger anything new in this regard. Because he flies? Doesn't do anything for his future fight against Mihawk. He uses a sword almost as much as Pica does, so far. Queen has swords as well, who gives a fuck. Unlock CoC? already did against Kaido. Learn how to control it? Sounds more like the thing he would pick up on the following arc, instead of doing it on the same one. 2nd strongest enemy of the beast Pirates? well, Ryuma wasnt the second strongest enemy in TB. It was Oars (or Moria, if you want argue for that :P ).
It's not that "King won't be his opponent", it's just that I fail to see what King brings to the table as Zoro's opponent. If people already argue that Zoro is above "YC1", what kind of progression would it bring for Zoro to fight him right now?
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I dont ignore the Judge connection.
I just dont jump on the train that thinks it automatically means they will fight because of it, without actually knowing what this connecting is.
It's connecting to Sanji. 
Queen mentions Judge because he worked under him in the past.
One of Judge's projects was trying to mess with bloodline factors. He then tested a way to genetically imbue powers on others. He tests it on King, who was, at the time, a lab rat. King gets his Fire Powers, but since it was early tests, he has some collateral effects and gets burned by it. he gets a special suit that protects him from his own flames.
A lot of stuff happens, King and Queen both join Kaido at some point.
Queen knows about Judge experiments, but it's King who gets pissed at Sanji due to the bad memories. Specially if he thinks Sanji's fire power is the same thing Judge tested on him.
There. Connection explained. Sanji still fights King.
Ok. Let me give you an example.
Queen mentions Judge because he worked under him in the past.
One of Judge's projects was trying to mess with bloodline factors. He then tested a way to genetically imbue powers on others. He tests it on King, who was, at the time, a lab rat. King gets his Fire Powers, but since it was early tests, he has some collateral effects and gets burned by it. he gets a special suit that protects him from his own flames.
A lot of stuff happens, King and Queen both join Kaido at some point.
Queen knows about Judge experiments, but it's King who gets pissed at Sanji due to the bad memories. Specially if he thinks Sanji's fire power is the same thing Judge tested on him.
There. Connection explained. Sanji still fights King.
Queen mentions Judge because he worked under him in the past.
One of Judge's projects was trying to mess with bloodline factors. He then tested a way to genetically imbue powers on others. He tests it on King, who was, at the time, a lab rat. King gets his Fire Powers, but since it was early tests, he has some collateral effects and gets burned by it. he gets a special suit that protects him from his own flames.
A lot of stuff happens, King and Queen both join Kaido at some point.
Queen knows about Judge experiments, but it's King who gets pissed at Sanji due to the bad memories. Specially if he thinks Sanji's fire power is the same thing Judge tested on him.
There. Connection explained. Sanji still fights King.
Let's not forget that Sanji has not defeated anyone in his family on-panel.....because it's not relevant. Nor has he made-up with anyone in his family....because it's not relevant. He dont despise them nor does he love them. And unless Queen raped Reiju or something....he wont give a fuck about him knowing the Vinsmokes. Drake literally mentioned it, and Sanji ignored him for Hiyori in like 3 pages.
I need someone that supports Zoro vs King (or even "just" Sanji and Zoro vs King and Quen with Zoro dealing the finishing blow on King) to write a plausible scenario in which that happens, explaining in detail what Drake, Apoo, Chopper, Marco, Orochi and Sanji are going to do before, while and after Zoro gets treated.
Because i think many that thinks that that fight is occurring, don't take into account the other characters.
For example, once Sanji reaches the live floor, what is going to happen to Marco?
He gets defeated, he continues fighting King or he goes to treat Zoro leaving Sanji and Izo against King?
Any of these three scenarios lead to Sanji vs King, Marco vs King or Sanji and Zoro vs K and Q with Sanji fighting mainly King imo.
If Sanji start to fight him, or both King and Queen, since Sanji is the only one able to fly he will primarily fight King while Drake, Kawamatsu and perhaps Apoo deal with Q or with K and Q (primarily Q). Sanji won't stop his fight against King because Zoro got up
Because i think many that thinks that that fight is occurring, don't take into account the other characters.
For example, once Sanji reaches the live floor, what is going to happen to Marco?
He gets defeated, he continues fighting King or he goes to treat Zoro leaving Sanji and Izo against King?
Any of these three scenarios lead to Sanji vs King, Marco vs King or Sanji and Zoro vs K and Q with Sanji fighting mainly King imo.
If Sanji start to fight him, or both King and Queen, since Sanji is the only one able to fly he will primarily fight King while Drake, Kawamatsu and perhaps Apoo deal with Q or with K and Q (primarily Q). Sanji won't stop his fight against King because Zoro got up
Sanji will take both king and queen.
Marco isn’t getting an extended one v one. In fact there’s no reason for Sanji vs queen to occur if Marco is still conscious.
Zoro is way to injured and not conscious. And again there’s no reason for either to fight if Marco is still conscious.
Oda has set up Pero to be the one to deliver the finishing blow to Marco with his candy bow and once he does he’ll be in desperate need of treatment. Marco isn’t going to see the cross think “gotta heal him above all else” and then get taken out.
Marco isn’t getting an extended one v one. In fact there’s no reason for Sanji vs queen to occur if Marco is still conscious.
Zoro is way to injured and not conscious. And again there’s no reason for either to fight if Marco is still conscious.
Oda has set up Pero to be the one to deliver the finishing blow to Marco with his candy bow and once he does he’ll be in desperate need of treatment. Marco isn’t going to see the cross think “gotta heal him above all else” and then get taken out.
I need someone that supports Zoro vs King (or even "just" Sanji and Zoro vs King and Quen with Zoro dealing the finishing blow on King) to write a plausible scenario in which that happens, explaining in detail what Drake, Apoo, Chopper, Marco, Orochi and Sanji are going to do before, while and after Zoro gets treated.
Because i think many that thinks that that fight is occurring, don't take into account the other characters.
For example, once Sanji reaches the live floor, what is going to happen to Marco?
He gets defeated, he continues fighting King or he goes to treat Zoro leaving Sanji and Izo against King?
Any of these three scenarios lead to Sanji vs King, Marco vs King or Sanji and Zoro vs K and Q with Sanji fighting mainly King imo.
If Sanji start to fight him, or both King and Queen, since Sanji is the only one able to fly he will primarily fight King while Drake, Kawamatsu and perhaps Apoo deal with Q or with K and Q (primarily Q). Sanji won't stop his fight against King because Zoro got up
Because i think many that thinks that that fight is occurring, don't take into account the other characters.
For example, once Sanji reaches the live floor, what is going to happen to Marco?
He gets defeated, he continues fighting King or he goes to treat Zoro leaving Sanji and Izo against King?
Any of these three scenarios lead to Sanji vs King, Marco vs King or Sanji and Zoro vs K and Q with Sanji fighting mainly King imo.
If Sanji start to fight him, or both King and Queen, since Sanji is the only one able to fly he will primarily fight King while Drake, Kawamatsu and perhaps Apoo deal with Q or with K and Q (primarily Q). Sanji won't stop his fight against King because Zoro got up
there is literally no other build up.
While Sanji vs King, we already got couple of build up
1. Sanji saves Momo in front of King (and Queen), and then King proceed to catch Momo. And then Sanji blocked/trying to fight King.
2. Kicking ability, Aerial/flying style. King vs Sanji will be so aesthetic because we never see an aerial battle other than Kizaru vs Marco which is only for a brief.
3. Both King and Sanji give damage to Queen Mama Chanter (Sanji is back in dressrosa)
but, we've been introduced to King for many long chapters and yet everything we saw from him is his kicking ability.
The first thing we see him pull up his sword is
1. Kaido use his sword
2. He got disarmed by Izo.
3. He trying to cut Marco, but Marco somehow can dodge his cut.
So, Oda not showing King with his "amazing swordsmanship".
People should stop with "he is swordsman so he will fight Zoro".
considering his condition rn, Zoro fighting calamities is really an asspull. (but this is a manga, so asspull is really possible)
So my best guess for the match up at the live floor is Sanji, Izo, Kawamatsu vs King and Queen.
Marco, Chopper, and the mink medical team will try to heal Zoro.
