Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1015 Spoilers Discussion
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Some readers seem to truly believe that a character doesn't grow stronger within eight years of serialization throughout different story arcs, which is absurd and simply show their poor understanding of basics. It's similar to those who expect on-screen versus lasting as much as off-screen ones and believe defeating Kaido will take ten days or more only because Sakazuki and Kuzan fought for that long: they just don't get that our perception on the character's growth from the perspective of the serialization time is also a factor to take into account, and obviously the main characters aren't now as strong as they were three arcs ago.
NA NANANANA don't make your opinion sound like a consensus when you YOURSELF ignore the lack of knowledge sanji had about doffy.. and you'd even trivialize doffy "IN THE MANGA" considering sanji to be a tough opponent..
so don't use your ignorance as a primary drive to prove that whoever faces queen isn't over doffy.. which such fundamentally twisted narrative .... basically you can't even fuggin conclude that sanji wouldn't stand a chance against doffy in the state your "facts" are in
so don't use your ignorance as a primary drive to prove that whoever faces queen isn't over doffy.. which such fundamentally twisted narrative .... basically you can't even fuggin conclude that sanji wouldn't stand a chance against doffy in the state your "facts" are in
Im not speaking about facing alone, im speaking about defeating Queen.
I not see Sanji staying in same lvl as a dude who best base moves where around g2 lvl, awakening didn't really push his ap over G3 either.
He fight Judge, he fight to save Luffy against multiple forces. He fight so many characters after he left DR. He grow up,that is basically that Zoro said yet you guys want to agree that Sanji didn't get stronger?
Beating Queen will be Sanji most best victory after the ts. King and Queen aren't really far left from the powerlvl, same Jack.
That is beyond Doffy lvl
I not see Sanji staying in same lvl as a dude who best base moves where around g2 lvl, awakening didn't really push his ap over G3 either.
He fight Judge, he fight to save Luffy against multiple forces. He fight so many characters after he left DR. He grow up,that is basically that Zoro said yet you guys want to agree that Sanji didn't get stronger?
Beating Queen will be Sanji most best victory after the ts. King and Queen aren't really far left from the powerlvl, same Jack.
That is beyond Doffy lvl
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KATAKURI made LUFFY scream in pain even though he was using SNAKE-Man, in a collision.
Base Luffy with his strength, already caused and took a lot of blood from doflamingo, even he protecting himself with Haki.
Greater strength in G4 or Snack > Greater damage.
Doflamingo was being pressured by the forces of luffy's kicks in his base form, which demonstrates that physically in base form luffy is superior in strength.
Again, luffy manages to damage the doflamingo with his bad COA, and with his physical strength at BASE.
"Why do you treat luffy's COA as if it were superior to other forms", its attack potential and damage in other forms are superior, thanks to its physical strength, so its COA is more effective with more strength in its blows, so luffy using COA in base form < Luffy using COA in other forms with more physical strength, damage potential is higher.
Reminding you that luffy's COA also evolves
during the extreme battle against katakuri...
Soon:
DR COA < WCI COA < ABYSS < POST UDON COA.
And here comes the question about the physical strength of the doflamingo, he wasn't able to make Luffy, even in his basic form and physically weaker, scream in pain...
Katakuri did this all the time even in snake man, KAIDO made luffy in the same situation as the flamingo above, vibrate and scream in pain, a luffy who improved his COA in WCI after an extreme fight with KATA, and after training COA in UDON and go to the maximum level.
KAIDO did this with a simple/casual hit.
While DOFFY uses named coup.
"Why do you treat luffy's COA as if it were superior to other forms", its attack potential and damage in other forms are superior, thanks to its physical strength, so its COA is more effective with more strength in its blows, so luffy using COA in base form < Luffy using COA in other forms with more physical strength, damage potential is higher.
Reminding you that luffy's COA also evolves
during the extreme battle against katakuri...
Soon:
DR COA < WCI COA < ABYSS < POST UDON COA.
And here comes the question about the physical strength of the doflamingo, he wasn't able to make Luffy, even in his basic form and physically weaker, scream in pain...
Katakuri did this all the time even in snake man, KAIDO made luffy in the same situation as the flamingo above, vibrate and scream in pain, a luffy who improved his COA in WCI after an extreme fight with KATA, and after training COA in UDON and go to the maximum level.
KAIDO did this with a simple/casual hit.
While DOFFY uses named coup.
After the doflamingo's DF-driven kick and named blow, luffy didn't scream and was completely fine, different from the two situations above.
Kick after kick and several minutes passed by Luffy Base VS DOFLAMINGO, and doflamingo had no Ap power to knock out BASE LUFFY.
They were exactly the same (Equal).
G3 luffy has more AP than DOFFY, but Doffy was faster and dodged, as G3 is slow.
You should be ashamed, the man didn't have AP to knock out Luffy.
Doflamingo had to go to an awakening and use his biggest attack to try to knock out Luffy's base.
Resist Luffy after defeating two YCS >>>>>>>>>>> DR LUFFY.
Resist luffy after UDON >>>> DR LUFFY.
CoO Luffy > CoO DR luffy.
Current Luffy ACOA > luffy DR COA, basic COA.
Physical strength of current luffy > Physical strength of Luffy in DR. (Luffy did physical training in UDON).
Combat skills and intelligence (experience after defeating two YCS) > Dr Luffy. And that's the treat that a Base luffy infinitely superior to his version of DR luffy who was equaled with Doflamingo gets:
Remembering that Luffy is infinitely stronger in his basic form compared to his DR version which even with basic CoO and basic COA was facing Doflamingo as an equal.
Luffy base current low difference in Doflamingo.
Current luffy G4 kills Doflamingo with 1 punch with ACOA.
He is fodder.
It didn't take a lot of hits to defeat doflamingo in G4 with basic COA and a physically weaker luffy.
Even if hell freezes over, Doflamingo will never be a top tier. Low, mid, high, never.
So Oda gave us a direct paralel with Zoro to highlight their unbroken will in the previous chapter
and in this chapter we get focus on everyone's determination/will being broken
samurai 1: is it hopeless to continue fighting!?
samurai 2: strawhat!!
samurai 3: is master mononosuke safe!?
Izo: That announcement was enough to break people's determination/will
Kawamatsu: There's no way to know if it's true
Sanji: Everyone here is giving up
Chopper's will being broken
Chopper: luffy!!!
Chopper: Ow!!
Chopper: did you really lose...!?
Chopper: What should I do now!!?
zou people: Did strawhat lose!!?
with Sanji being the one focused on as a point of contrast with everyone else
Sanji: Stop crying idiot! don't you remember how many times we saw the “miracles” happen?
sanji: i'll leave him to you! he will be as good as ten men if he's fixed up!!
zoro: 2000 MEN !!
chopper: huh.... what is that..? IT'S ZORO!!?
sanji: leave that dinosaur to me!!!
Saving Chopper and lifting up his spirit
samurai: why won't that guy stop fighting... even though his captain died!!?
marco: that's why i like you guys
Having the Samurai be unable to grasp Sanjis strong determination/will power to keep on fighting in this manner after the announcement of his Captain's death.
In contrast to that we see Marco's approval as one who's been around others like Sanji, such as Whitebeard or Ace, strog willed individuals who stand above others in that regard
If Oda also names the Volume 100 Cover "Color of the Supreme King" as per it's highlight chapter, and the Cover only features CoC users
Sanji's basically as good as confirmed to be a Conqueror
and in this chapter we get focus on everyone's determination/will being broken
samurai 1: is it hopeless to continue fighting!?
samurai 2: strawhat!!
samurai 3: is master mononosuke safe!?
Izo: That announcement was enough to break people's determination/will
Kawamatsu: There's no way to know if it's true
Sanji: Everyone here is giving up
Chopper's will being broken
Chopper: luffy!!!
Chopper: Ow!!
Chopper: did you really lose...!?
Chopper: What should I do now!!?
zou people: Did strawhat lose!!?
with Sanji being the one focused on as a point of contrast with everyone else
Sanji: Stop crying idiot! don't you remember how many times we saw the “miracles” happen?
sanji: i'll leave him to you! he will be as good as ten men if he's fixed up!!
zoro: 2000 MEN !!
chopper: huh.... what is that..? IT'S ZORO!!?
sanji: leave that dinosaur to me!!!
Saving Chopper and lifting up his spirit
samurai: why won't that guy stop fighting... even though his captain died!!?
marco: that's why i like you guys
Having the Samurai be unable to grasp Sanjis strong determination/will power to keep on fighting in this manner after the announcement of his Captain's death.
In contrast to that we see Marco's approval as one who's been around others like Sanji, such as Whitebeard or Ace, strog willed individuals who stand above others in that regard
If Oda also names the Volume 100 Cover "Color of the Supreme King" as per it's highlight chapter, and the Cover only features CoC users
Sanji's basically as good as confirmed to be a Conqueror
So Oda gave us a direct paralel with Zoro to highlight their unbroken will in the previous chapter
and in this chapter we get focus on everyone's determination/will being broken
samurai 1: is it hopeless to continue fighting!?
samurai 2: strawhat!!
samurai 3: is master mononosuke safe!?
Izo: That announcement was enough to break people's determination/will
Kawamatsu: There's no way to know if it's true
Sanji: Everyone here is giving up
Chopper's will being broken
Chopper: luffy!!!
Chopper: Ow!!
Chopper: did you really lose...!?
Chopper: What should I do now!!?
zou people: Did strawhat lose!!?
with Sanji being the one focused on as a point of contrast with everyone else
Sanji: Stop crying idiot! don't you remember how many times we saw the “miracles” happen?
sanji: i'll leave him to you! he will be as good as ten men if he's fixed up!!
zoro: 2000 MEN !!
chopper: huh.... what is that..? IT'S ZORO!!?
sanji: leave that dinosaur to me!!!
Saving Chopper and lifting up his spirit
samurai: why won't that guy stop fighting... even though his captain died!!?
marco: that's why i like you guys
Having the Samurai be unable to grasp Sanjis strong determination/will power to keep on fighting in this manner after the announcement of his Captain's death.
In contrast to that we see Marco's approval as one who's been around others like Sanji, such as Whitebeard or Ace, strog willed individual who stand above others in that regard
If Oda also names the Volume 100 Cover "Color of the Supreme King" as per it's highlight chapter, and the Cover only features CoC users, Sanji's basically as good as confirmed to be a Conqueror
and in this chapter we get focus on everyone's determination/will being broken
samurai 1: is it hopeless to continue fighting!?
samurai 2: strawhat!!
samurai 3: is master mononosuke safe!?
Izo: That announcement was enough to break people's determination/will
Kawamatsu: There's no way to know if it's true
Sanji: Everyone here is giving up
Chopper's will being broken
Chopper: luffy!!!
Chopper: Ow!!
Chopper: did you really lose...!?
Chopper: What should I do now!!?
zou people: Did strawhat lose!!?
with Sanji being the one focused on as a point of contrast with everyone else
Sanji: Stop crying idiot! don't you remember how many times we saw the “miracles” happen?
sanji: i'll leave him to you! he will be as good as ten men if he's fixed up!!
zoro: 2000 MEN !!
chopper: huh.... what is that..? IT'S ZORO!!?
sanji: leave that dinosaur to me!!!
Saving Chopper and lifting up his spirit
samurai: why won't that guy stop fighting... even though his captain died!!?
marco: that's why i like you guys
Having the Samurai be unable to grasp Sanjis strong determination/will power to keep on fighting in this manner after the announcement of his Captain's death.
In contrast to that we see Marco's approval as one who's been around others like Sanji, such as Whitebeard or Ace, strog willed individual who stand above others in that regard
If Oda also names the Volume 100 Cover "Color of the Supreme King" as per it's highlight chapter, and the Cover only features CoC users, Sanji's basically as good as confirmed to be a Conqueror
So my thoughts.
Fights should serve some narrative purpose. Yamato vs Jack after Yamato vs Kaido serves none. Whatever Jack could have done for Yamato, will be fulfilled through her fight with Kaido.
As for Jimbe and Who's Who, Jimbe is looking heavily bruised and battered while Who's Who is fine, so Jimbe isn't the one winning.
More than that, Jimbe has actual narrative with Who's Who:
The Who's Who and Jimbe fight will continue until at least the following happen:
The connection — as superficial as it may be — between Who's Who and Jimbe is why I don't see Jimbe fighting someone else.
In contrast, he has none with Jack.
If fights should serve some narrative purpose the only person(s) that should defeat Jack is Inuarashi (perhaps with Nekomamushi).
Fights should serve some narrative purpose. Yamato vs Jack after Yamato vs Kaido serves none. Whatever Jack could have done for Yamato, will be fulfilled through her fight with Kaido.
As for Jimbe and Who's Who, Jimbe is looking heavily bruised and battered while Who's Who is fine, so Jimbe isn't the one winning.
More than that, Jimbe has actual narrative with Who's Who:
- Who's Who knows Jimbe from his Shichibukai days.
- Who's Who's true identity is unknown.
- Jimbe suggested that if he showed him his face, he might recognise him.
- Who's Who refused.
The Who's Who and Jimbe fight will continue until at least the following happen:
- We learn how/why Who's Who knows Jimbe.
- We discover Who's Who's true identity
- We explore whatever relationship Who's Who and Jimbe shared in the past.
The connection — as superficial as it may be — between Who's Who and Jimbe is why I don't see Jimbe fighting someone else.
In contrast, he has none with Jack.
If fights should serve some narrative purpose the only person(s) that should defeat Jack is Inuarashi (perhaps with Nekomamushi).
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Luffy base co basic CoA and basic CoO = Doffy.
Luffy Base with FS > Doffy.
Luffy base with FS and ACOA > Doffy.
Let's not talk about G4 or Snake Man, which is an exaggeration for poor Doffy.
Imagine the forage of the doflamingo.
Doflamingo a higher level cannot react to BG KAIDO.
Even luffy, who was faster than Doffy in DR at the base, couldn't react using FS.
Doffy does not have FS.
And it's slower than BASE luffy in DR.
@playa4321
Luffy Base with FS > Doffy.
Luffy base with FS and ACOA > Doffy.
Let's not talk about G4 or Snake Man, which is an exaggeration for poor Doffy.
Imagine the forage of the doflamingo.
Doflamingo a higher level cannot react to BG KAIDO.
Even luffy, who was faster than Doffy in DR at the base, couldn't react using FS.
Doffy does not have FS.
And it's slower than BASE luffy in DR.
@playa4321
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