General & Others Understanding that some things are exclusive to Luffy and Zoro in the Strawhat crew.

[matt245]

when sanji gets a higher bounty then zoro its a gag but its not vice versa lol how is dororki argument trash swordsmanship is part of doroki

Gag or not, that doesn't take away the fact that his father helped him twice and that Zoro didn't go WCI.

 

[m0nst3Rx]

This is where I do draw a line. Sanji’s still a major fighter.

you sure

Re read my post i made some changes it will help you

 

[matt245]

Socrates said 'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers".......now i'm not the biggest Socrates fan.....but dear God does this apply here.

He just said facts, unless you prove that some of the things that he said were false.

 

[Human D Luffy]

It isn't, doriki only measures physical strenght, stated in Manga itself.
Jinbe can have more doriki than Law because he's a brawler and Law is weaker physically but still gets low diffed by him

1) yep doriki only measures physical strength
2) the fact that kaku is part of cp-0 but jabra isn't goes to tell you kaku is at least 1 level above jabra.

 

[LordVinsmoke]

It isn't, doriki only measures physical strenght, stated in Manga itself.
Jinbe can have more doriki than Law because he's a brawler and Law is weaker physically but still gets low diffed by him

yet kumadoris staff was included fighting styles swordsmanship is all rokushiki

 

[Dr_Professor83]

you sure

Re read my post i made some changes it will help you

Queen’s YC2 and the gap between he and Luffy & Zoro can be large and Sanji still be a major fighter. There’s no reason to be bias unnecessarily when Zoro doesn’t need it.

 

[matt245]

1) yep doriki only measures physical strength
2) the fact that kaku is part of cp-0 but jabra isn't goes to tell you kaku is at least 1 level above jabra.

After the time skip you can still see Kaku with Lucci but not Jabura.

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yet kumadoris staff was included fighting styles swordsmanship is all rokushiki

You should re-read the scene of the measurement and you will realize that what you just said was wrong.

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Queens YC2 and the gap between he and Luffy & Zoro can be large and Sanji still be a major fighter. There’s no reason to be bias unnecessarily when Zoro doesn’t need it.

I agree with you, even tho he is a cook he is still a competent and very capable fighter.

 

[Taper]

He just said facts, unless you prove that some of the things that he said were false.

You want me to prove why saying Zoro clashing with Hawkins, Apoo and facing off against a nonchalant Kaido with four other people isn't a sign that he is equal to Luffy and leagues ahead of Sanji.....or what about his Zoro will open his eye argument?......or the doriki argument that is clear as day, Oda was showing us the power hierarchy there is literally no other purpose to doriki from a writing perspective than to show us that......its so clear that I don't waste my time on it. I don't intend to entertain an individual who opens up his response to me with "clown".

 

[Abysmal]

You want me to prove why saying Zoro clashing with Hawkins, Apoo and facing off against a nonchalant Kaido with four other people isn't a sign that he is equal to Luffy and leagues ahead of Sanji.....or what about his Zoro will open his eye argument?......or the doriki argument that is clear as day, Oda was showing us the power hierarchy there is literally no other purpose to doriki from a writing perspective than to show us that......its so clear that I don't waste my time on it. I don't intend to entertain an individual who opens up his response to me with "clown".

Someone's hurt:holdthisl:

 

[style]

Oda had Spandam stating "don't forget that I also have my sword with me" when they teased him for being weaker than the average soldier, but here people say that swordsmanship is already included in Doriki measurement

That means Spandam with sword > Spandam without sword

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

This is where I do draw a line. Sanji’s still a major fighter. He’s the 7th strongest member of this alliance outside of Roof 5 & Marco.

Sanji's definitely weaker than current Yamato, he'll probably surpass her next arc IMHO.

 

[LordVinsmoke]

After the time skip you can still see Kaku with Lucci but not Jabura.

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You should re-read the scene of the measurement and you will realize that what you just said was wrong.

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nah rokushiki is a maratial arts doroki is scaled of rokushiki kumadori uses his staff whoch is a weapon in conjuction withhis rokushiki

I agree with you, even tho he is a cook he is still a competent and very capable fighter.

 

[Taper]

Someone's hurt:holdthisl:

if you interpreted my response as me being hurt then I am not surprised about your horrendous brain dead takes on this story......reading comprehension is not a talent by the way you can still learn.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

or the doriki argument that is clear as day, Oda was showing us the power hierarchy there is literally no other purpose to doriki from a writing perspective than to show us that

Doriki was to show us power hierarchy but because Oda enjoys kicking hornets nest and galvanizing the fan base he purposefully measured Kaku without his swords so that Kaku v Jabra would be unclear. Oda muddies the waters on purpose to spark these debates.

 

[Human D Luffy]

Queen’s YC2 and the gap between he and Luffy & Zoro can be large and Sanji still be a major fighter. There’s no reason to be bias unnecessarily when Zoro doesn’t need it.

The deciding factor will be the progression and outcome of this queen v. sanji fight.
A lot of the zoro fans don't believe it will be 1 v. 1 or if it will end in sanji's favor.
If that's the case, they won't consider sanji as a major fighter.

You think that it will end up being 1 v. 1 with sanji winning makes you think that he is a major fighter, which is also very valid.

Ultimately, one group values past performances more than future performances (regardless of how certain the future might be).

 

[matt245]

Oda had Spandam stating "I also have my sword with me" when they teased him for being weaker than the average soldier, but here people say that swordsmanship is already included in Doriki measurement

You just need to watch the measurement scene and you will realize that it's cap.

 

[Shepherd]

Doriki arguments is trash since you dont undestand that doriki doesnt take into consideration the swordsmanship of kaku it just means kaku can beat jabra without swords, cry now.

If you want to consider Kaku's swordsmanship then you also have to consider Jabura's claws

 

[Abysmal]

if you interpreted my response as me being hurt then I am not surprised about your horrendous brain dead takes on this story......reading comprehension is not a talent by the way you can still learn.

Socrat quote > victim card > toxic, those signs of someones fumin like a mad cow

 

[Dr_Professor83]

Sanji's definitely weaker than current Yamato, he'll probably surpass her next arc IMHO.

Shit I forgot Yamato. 8th. Cinera is going to be furious.

 

[matt245]

The deciding factor will be the progression and outcome of this queen v. sanji fight.
A lot of the zoro fans don't believe it will be 1 v. 1 or if it will end in sanji's favor.
If that's the case, they won't consider sanji as a major fighter.

You think that it will end up being 1 v. 1 with sanji winning makes you think that he is a major fighter, which is also very valid.

Ultimately, one group values past performances more than future performances (regardless of how certain the future might be).

It would depend on 2 major factors.
1. If he defeats Queen alone.
2. The diff of the fight.

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Shit I forgot Yamato. 8th. Cinera is going to be furious.

Why furious?