General & Others Understanding that some things are exclusive to Luffy and Zoro in the Strawhat crew.

[matt245]

Wasnt a no diff Sanji got up immedielty with 0 damage, quite the contrast to King who proclaimed he would split Sanji in half.

The fight ended up after 1 hit from King with Sanji getting flung away. Plus the fact that he basically begged King to let him go becuase he would die.

Zolo himself said "it was due to my own lack of skill". No need to make excuses lol he doesn't why are you?

Zoro always blames it on himself. It doesn't matter what happened he won't blame anyone, and it was indeed his fault because Killer caught him off guard.

And no, the rooftop feats didnt change anything since unlike when Killer stabbed Zolo, everytime Zolo took serious damage on the rooftop he had his guard up defending. If Zolo had his guard down when taking hits like Hakai he would have been obliterated just like he was against Killer.

It does change things. That shows that Zoro with his guard up would bitch slap Killer. Shows a big difference between a Zoro that is focused and a Zoro who isn't. And even if it wasn't for poison and hunger, no one without magical abilities can still be conscious from a stab so big in a zone so important. Blood loss is a thing even in anime. Tbh that was quite the big plot hole, still, it was necessary for Zoro to faint and meet the princess.
But hey, if you only want to focus on that scene you can go and ignore him blocking hakai and then a CoC TB and still be conscious afterwards.
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I know you can't read but he clearly has the gluurgle sfx from his stomach when he passed out. The exact same sfx when luffy was out from starvation in wci.

I don't remember how many chapters Zoro spent walking and fighting without any proper meal. Do you remember it?

 

[Kromage911]

Why have people made this thread their home?

 

[HA001]

The fight ended up after 1 hit from King with Sanji getting flung away. Plus the fact that he basically begged King to let him go becuase he would die.

Zoro always blames it on himself. It doesn't matter what happened he won't blame anyone, and it was indeed his fault because Killer caught him off guard.

It does change things. That shows that Zoro with his guard up would bitch slap Killer. Shows a big difference between a Zoro that is focused and a Zoro who isn't. And even if it wasn't for poison and hunger, no one without magical abilities can still be conscious from a stab so big in a zone so important. Blood loss is a thing even in anime. Tbh that was quite the big plot hole, still, it was necessary for Zoro to faint and meet the princess.
But hey, if you only want to focus on that scene you can go and ignore him blocking hakai and then a CoC TB and still be conscious afterwards.
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I don't remember how many chapters Zoro spent walking and fighting without any proper meal. Do you remember it?

He last ate when luffy got one shot. When yasu fed him. Days before.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Is Sanji's dream to wipe the WG? Is Nami's dream to wipe the BB pirates? It's Chopper's dream? Maybe Brook's? We are strictly speaking about their dreams and the fact is that you don't need to be strong to draw a map, to find a friend, to build a ship, to find a place, to find the cure for everything...etc Those are their dreams, not wiping out anyone. Helping Luffy is something extra, they decided to help him but their dream isn't to see Luffy become the PK. You don't nned to wipe anyone to draw a map or to find a sea for god's shake.

On the path they chose, they do need to be strong. Nami didn't just choose to simply sail the World and draw a map. Chopper didn't choose to just simply sail and find a miracle medicine. Franky didn't choose to make a ship and simply sail it around the World. Etc.. etc... They all chose to pursue their dreams while following Luffy pursue his dream. And Luffy's Journey is a dangerous one, which requires him and his crew to be strong.

And do you honestly think they wouldn't need any strength at all to pursue their dreams? Look what happened to Don Kreig when he tried to sail into the Grandline. He had a fleet of 50 ships, and was wiped out almost immediately. This is a World filled with Pirates. You can't just simply travel the World with ease. The only people we've ever seen capable of travelling the World by themselves, are all strong. Mihawk, Aokiji, Kuma, and Weevil. If you don't have the strength to protect yourself, you're not going to be able to sail the entire World.

 

[Shepherd]

I know you can't read but he clearly has the gluurgle sfx from his stomach when he passed out. The exact same sfx when luffy was out from starvation in wci.

I know you zolotards can't put 2 and 2 together, but it makes literally 0 sense for Zolo's poison, which he had eaten 9 days prior, which had barely any effect on him at the time of eating, to suddenly kick in, conveniently at the time of him getting damaged, 30 chapters later...that's just not how poison works.

By 9 days later it would have filtered out by now and that stomach growl could easily just be him being hungry.

Even if you argue that it was "starvation", that just makes the "gRanDmAsTeR" look bad because it shows he cannot even go a few days without food when child Sanji went for months without food...

At the end of the day, Zolo himself points to HIS OWN LACK OF SKILL, nothing more nothing less

:risitasad:
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The fight ended up after 1 hit from King with Sanji getting flung away. Plus the fact that he basically begged King to let him go becuase he would die.

And Luffy begged for Katakuri to put him down after Katakuri used Zan Giri Mochi, but did Luffy get 1 shot? No he got back up immedietly.

The "fight" ended in 1 hit, but maybe if you understood that it was never a fight to begin with you wouldn't say such a stupid thing.

Sanji was there to defend Momo and get him out of there, not to fight King. King was the only only attacking, Sanji defending. Sanji succeeded in saving Momo, King failed in executing Momo, thus it was an L for King through-and-through.

Zoro always blames it on himself. It doesn't matter what happened he won't blame anyone, and it was indeed his fault because Killer caught him off guard.

He blames it on himself because he knows there is no objective reason as to why this wouldn't happen in any other scenario. Just like Killer fell unconscious after enduring 1 nasty blow, so did Zolo, both proving once again the lack of durability that swordsmen have.

It does change things. That shows that Zoro with his guard up would bitch slap Killer. Shows a big difference between a Zoro that is focused and a Zoro who isn't. And even if it wasn't for poison and hunger, no one without magical abilities can still be conscious from a stab so big in a zone so important. Blood loss is a thing even in anime. Tbh that was quite the big plot hole, still, it was necessary for Zoro to faint and meet the princess.

"Anyone would fall unconscious in Zolo's position"

OK.

It wasn't a plot-hole either btw, Zolo without his guard up was on his knees after 1 unnamed Apoo Sonic Cut

1 unnamed move from Apoo was enough to make Zolo fall to his knees to take a breather.

But hey, if you only want to focus on that scene you can go and ignore him blocking hakai and then a CoC TB and still be conscious afterwards.

Zolo blocking Hakai and then a CoC TB isn't contradictory.

Zolo took more burst damage from Killer's attack than Hakai because against Hakai, Zolo was using all 3 of his swords + barrier haki to defend. He had no sword or barrier haki to defend from Killer's attack.

As for CoC TB, Law shrugged off that attack and is currently walking fine as if nothing happened.

I don't remember how many chapters Zoro spent walking and fighting without any proper meal. Do you remember it?

It was likely a few days max, which even then is nothing compared to Sanji who as a child, spent literal months without any food or water.

 

[HA001]

I know you zolotards can't put 2 and 2 together, but it makes literally 0 sense for Zolo's poison, which he had eaten 9 days prior, which had barely any effect on him at the time of eating, to suddenly kick in, conveniently at the time of him getting damaged, 30 chapters later...that's just not how poison works.

By 9 days later it would have filtered out by now and that stomach growl could easily just be him being hungry.

Even if you argue that it was "starvation", that just makes the "gRanDmAsTeR" look bad because it shows he cannot even go a few days without food when child Sanji went for months without food...

At the end of the day, Zolo himself points to HIS OWN LACK OF SKILL, nothing more nothing less

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And Luffy begged for Katakuri to put him down after Katakuri used Zan Giri Mochi, but did Luffy get 1 shot? No he got back up immedietly.

The "fight" ended in 1 hit, but maybe if you understood that it was never a fight to begin with you wouldn't say such a stupid thing.

Sanji was there to defend Momo and get him out of there, not to fight King. King was the only only attacking, Sanji defending. Sanji succeeded in saving Momo, King failed in executing Momo, thus it was an L for King through-and-through.





He blames it on himself because he knows there is no objective reason as to why this wouldn't happen in any other scenario. Just like Killer fell unconscious after enduring 1 nasty blow, so did Zolo, both proving once again the lack of durability that swordsmen have.




"Anyone would fall unconscious in Zolo's position"

OK.

It wasn't a plot-hole either btw, Zolo without his guard up was on his knees after 1 unnamed Apoo Sonic Cut

1 unnamed move from Apoo was enough to make Zolo fall to his knees to take a breather.





Zolo blocking Hakai and then a CoC TB isn't contradictory.

Zolo took more burst damage from Killer's attack than Hakai because against Hakai, Zolo was using all 3 of his swords + barrier haki to defend. He had no sword or barrier haki to defend from Killer's attack.

As for CoC TB, Law shrugged off that attack and is currently walking fine as if nothing happened.





It was likely a few days max, which even then is nothing compared to Sanji who as a child, spent literal months without any food or water.

Read you fucking dumbass.
He said it was his own lack of skill that got him hurt not fainted.
He fainted through hunger as the sfx is pointing at his stomach not his wound.

 

[Shepherd]

He said it was his own lack of skill that got him hurt not fainted.
He fainted through hunger as the sfx is pointing at his stomach not his wound.

Oh right his hunger kicks in conveniently not before the fight, not later after the fight, but immediately after he just got suffered an injury. Right, got it.

Hunger may have contributed but obviously it was the stab wound that triggered it which is why he faints immediately after suffering that nasty injury.

 

[HA001]

Oh right his hunger kicks in conveniently not before the fight, not later after the fight, but immediately after he just got suffered an injury. Right, got it.

Hunger may have contributed but obviously it was the stab wound that triggered it which is why he faints immediately after suffering that nasty injury.

No it's not as hes lost way more blood even ore skip and not fainted. Yes duh who knew expending energy would make his starvation worse. Keep crying tho.

 

[Shepherd]

No it's not as hes lost way more blood even ore skip and not fainted. Yes duh who knew expending energy would make his starvation worse. Keep crying tho.

Getting his chest gored by a scythe >>> any slices Zolo endured pre-timeskip discluding Mihawk's slice which left a scar, and Luffy's pain which was still causing him pain even in Sabaody.

His starvation contributed but it was mainly due to the stab wound.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Getting his chest gored by a scythe >>> any slices Zolo endured pre-timeskip discluding Mihawk's slice which left a scar, and Luffy's pain which was still causing him pain even in Sabaody.

His starvation contributed but it was mainly due to the stab wound.

Why Oda pan to his stomach then?

 

[HA001]

Getting his chest gored by a scythe >>> any slices Zolo endure before the timeskip. Zolo was literally screaming in pain from Hiyori merely hugging him, the only wound pre-timeskip I can think of that can compare is when he took Mihawk's slash (which didn't go away for over an arc later), and Luffy's pain in Thriller Bark (which was still causing him extreme pain even in Sabaody).

His starvation contributed but it was mainly due to the stab wound.

No it wasn't. Mr 1 did more to him.
You just proved your own point wrong troll. He lost way more blood in Thriller Bark and was still conscious. And even more so now in the same arc the wound isn't even bothering him nor was it ever shown to bother him again after that one time.

 

[Shepherd]

Why Oda pan to his stomach then?

Why did Oda have Zolo endure an injury conveniently before panning to his stomach, and then showing the next day that Zolo's injury caused him immense pain? Him being hungry contributed but obviously it was the injury that triggered it.

No it wasn't. Mr 1 did more to him.

No he didn't lol? Puncture wounds >>> slashes, they go further and hit vital areas and Zolo's wound against Killer required more prolonged treatment.

You just proved your own point wrong troll. He lost way more blood in Thriller Bark and was still conscious. And even more so now in the same arc the wound isn't even bothering him nor was it ever shown to bother him again after that one time.

OK I said UNGUARDED wounds, Thriller Bark doesn't count because he prepared himself first. Obviously he is able to endure far more when he is prepared than when he is caught off-guard.

Against Killer, he was completely unprepared hence it triggering him getting knocked out.

 

[HA001]

Why did Oda have Zolo endure an injury conveniently before panning to his stomach, and then showing the next day that Zolo's injury caused him immense pain? Him being hungry contributed but obviously it was the injury that triggered it.



No he didn't lol? Puncture wounds >>> slashes, they go further and hit vital areas and Zolo's wound against Killer required more prolonged treatment.



OK I said UNGUARDED wounds, Thriller Bark doesn't count because he prepared himself first. Obviously he is able to endure far more when he is prepared than when he is caught off-guard.

Against Killer, he was completely unprepared hence it triggering him getting knocked out.

Youre talking shit. If he wasn't starving Killer's wound doesn't make him faint. It's that simple. How exactly is jumping in a pain bubble guarding against it ?

 

[Shepherd]

If he wasn't starving Killer's wound doesn't make him faint. It's that simple.

Here, let me easily turn this around for you.

If he didn't endure a brutal injury from Killer's wound, his health wouldn't be brought low enough to make him succumb to his hunger.

Zolo was hungry the entire time during the fight, but only after enduring the injury did it actually have any impact...

 

[HA001]

Here, let me easily turn this around for you.

If he didn't endure a brutal injury from Killer's wound, his health wouldn't be brought low enough to make him succumb to his hunger.

Zolo was hungry the entire time during the fight, but only after enduring the injury did it actually have any impact...

No he still would have ended up fainting regardless. In all his time on wano he ate properly one meal when yasu fed him that was it. If it was the wound it would have happend as soon as he got hit not him pulling it out exerting himself more and one shotting Killer.
You got no argument troll.

 

[Shepherd]

No he still would have ended up fainting regardless. In all his time on wano he ate properly one meal when yasu fed him that was it. If it was the wound it would have happend as soon as he got hit not him pulling it out exerting himself more and one shotting Killer.

Zolo showed 0 signs of actual fatigue before he got stabbed, he was walking around as if he wasn't even hungry at all. Pretty positive he would have continued as usual until Hiyori would have found and brought him in.

 

[HA001]

Zolo showed 0 signs of actual fatigue before he got stabbed, he was walking around as if he wasn't even hungry at all. Pretty positive he would have continued as usual until Hiyori would have found and brought him in.

Zoro literally asked hiyori for food before he engaged killer properly.

 

[Shepherd]

Zoro literally asked hiyori for food before he engaged killer properly.

And he would have been still conscious (not fainted) after the fight, with Hiyori, had he not taken the injury.

 

[HA001]

And he would have been still conscious (not fainted) after the fight, with Hiyori, had he not taken the injury.

Based on what if it was cause of the wound he'd have hit the deck as soon as he recieved it.

 

[Finalbeta]

Getting his chest gored by a scythe >>> any slices Zolo endured pre-timeskip discluding Mihawk's slice which left a scar, and Luffy's pain which was still causing him pain even in Sabaody.

His starvation contributed but it was mainly due to the stab wound.

That's clearly outright wrong.

Just looking at how massive his blood loss was on Thriller Bark, way more massive than his loss against Kamazo. And Kamazo's didn't even seem to hit an area particularly critical guts wise.