General & Others Understanding that some things are exclusive to Luffy and Zoro in the Strawhat crew.
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If Rankyaku was really more lethal than Shigan then it would be more lethal regardless if they are "leveled up" or not.
This is a valid point, however I would say Kaku is slower just by the very nature of his fighting style.
He fights with Rankyaku, a ranged attack thus he does not need high movement-speed to close distance.
I'm not saying he CAN'T use Geppo obviously he can but even in the example you gave it was only to retrieve swords, wasn't used for combat.
Yes but that was mostly to parry with Zolo. In terms of actual moves, it's his legs, neck and nose that comprise Kaku's arsenal and all of his strongest attacks.
In the fight there was only 1 time Zolo actually got hit by Kaku's swords, and even then it was alongside his legs.
Whereas Zolo gets hit far more often from Kaku's neck, nose and leg rankyakus.
Even Kaku's strongest move, the Sky Slicer, uses his legs and his neck only, not his swords.
His leg & neck use purely physical strength to mimic swords, as well as his nose which also uses just physical force.
Thus, the Doriki of 2200 given to Kaku was more-or-less accurate because the bulk of Kaku's arsenal requires his own physical strength. Adding in his swords wouldn't change this much whatsoever because he doesn't use his swords to attack so much as he uses them to defend/parry, compared to his legs/neck/nose to attack.
Yes, he can change form but then he loses the range advantage that his neck provided him. This also means his Rankyaku are weakened since he can no longer use his neck.
Sure but then he just becomes a worse version of Jyabura. He loses the extra range that his neck provided him, and is left with lankier arms and legs that make it harder to move around compared to Jyabura's, who's legs were more compressed and fit for geppo and movement.
The fact that Jyabura can spam Geppo in his hybrid form:
And the fact that Jyabura's strongest move utelizes Geppou...
Proves Jyabura's clear superiority to Kaku in movement, speed and geppo.
Sure but in his cubed state, he can't move whatsoever and is completely immobilized. He's much more versatile than Jyabura but that doesn't really matter when that versatility comes at a disadvantage that doesn't really solve the issue that Kaku's DF presents.
It demonstrates better defensive capabilities because it allows his durability to be used far more regularly, while removing the weakness of being immobilized while using Tekkai.
It's just like comparing a guy holding a shield v a guy in a suit of armor.
The guy holding a shield can only defend from strikes when his shield is up, meaning there is a window where he will not be able to defend.
The guy with the suit of armor, however, will always be able to defend thus your attacks have to deal more damage each time they strike if they want to get through the defense.
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He was about to finish her off using Shigan before Sanji arrived.
Kaku had to rely on rankyaku because he specializes in rankyaku, meaning his storm leg is more powerful than his shigan (if he is even able to shigan with his giraffe hoofs)
Lucci had to rely on ryokugun because he specializes in ryokugan, meaning his ryokugan is more powerful than his shigan.
Jyabura had to rely on his shigan because he specializes in shigan, meaning his shigan is more powerful than his rankyaku.
But all 3 had to rely on Shigan to finish off opponents, not rankyaku.
Shigan, in terms of lethality, > Rankyaku.
This is a valid point, however I would say Kaku is slower just by the very nature of his fighting style.
He fights with Rankyaku, a ranged attack thus he does not need high movement-speed to close distance.
I'm not saying he CAN'T use Geppo obviously he can but even in the example you gave it was only to retrieve swords, wasn't used for combat.
Yes but that was mostly to parry with Zolo. In terms of actual moves, it's his legs, neck and nose that comprise Kaku's arsenal and all of his strongest attacks.
In the fight there was only 1 time Zolo actually got hit by Kaku's swords, and even then it was alongside his legs.
Whereas Zolo gets hit far more often from Kaku's neck, nose and leg rankyakus.
Even Kaku's strongest move, the Sky Slicer, uses his legs and his neck only, not his swords.
His leg & neck use purely physical strength to mimic swords, as well as his nose which also uses just physical force.
Thus, the Doriki of 2200 given to Kaku was more-or-less accurate because the bulk of Kaku's arsenal requires his own physical strength. Adding in his swords wouldn't change this much whatsoever because he doesn't use his swords to attack so much as he uses them to defend/parry, compared to his legs/neck/nose to attack.
Yes, he can change form but then he loses the range advantage that his neck provided him. This also means his Rankyaku are weakened since he can no longer use his neck.
Sure but then he just becomes a worse version of Jyabura. He loses the extra range that his neck provided him, and is left with lankier arms and legs that make it harder to move around compared to Jyabura's, who's legs were more compressed and fit for geppo and movement.
The fact that Jyabura can spam Geppo in his hybrid form:
And the fact that Jyabura's strongest move utelizes Geppou...
Proves Jyabura's clear superiority to Kaku in movement, speed and geppo.
Sure but in his cubed state, he can't move whatsoever and is completely immobilized. He's much more versatile than Jyabura but that doesn't really matter when that versatility comes at a disadvantage that doesn't really solve the issue that Kaku's DF presents.
It demonstrates better defensive capabilities because it allows his durability to be used far more regularly, while removing the weakness of being immobilized while using Tekkai.
It's just like comparing a guy holding a shield v a guy in a suit of armor.
The guy holding a shield can only defend from strikes when his shield is up, meaning there is a window where he will not be able to defend.
The guy with the suit of armor, however, will always be able to defend thus your attacks have to deal more damage each time they strike if they want to get through the defense.
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He was about to finish her off using Shigan before Sanji arrived.
Kaku had to rely on rankyaku because he specializes in rankyaku, meaning his storm leg is more powerful than his shigan (if he is even able to shigan with his giraffe hoofs)
Lucci had to rely on ryokugun because he specializes in ryokugan, meaning his ryokugan is more powerful than his shigan.
Jyabura had to rely on his shigan because he specializes in shigan, meaning his shigan is more powerful than his rankyaku.
But all 3 had to rely on Shigan to finish off opponents, not rankyaku.
Shigan, in terms of lethality, > Rankyaku.
1. The space in which he (in hybrid form) and zoro fought was smaller in comparison to Kaku room size in hybrid form because Kaku has much longer neck. Jyubra and sanji had a big space with different floors which means more room and space to use geppo
2. It was established that Kaku recently got his fruit so he was still getting his techniques used to his new body
3. And lastly it was stupid to spam geppo against a dude that literally has range with his wind slashes. So spamming geppo against an opponent that has long range is actually silly. Hence why jyubra was doing it more so against sanji because he had more room and sanji had no range.
Your other topic about shigan which is also bullshit. So your point is because shigan finished off fodder or pre ennes lobby strawhats that it's the best finisher? Well thats bullshit because of the fact that even enees lobby nami couldnt be finished off with one shigan. The same applies to zoro and luffy and sanji. Infact shigan is the worst finisher since it has to be spammed in order to finish off someone. Hell even post timeskip shigan couldnt finish off sanji or tashigi or smoker. Infact everyone who used had shigan had a more powerful move as a finisher. Kaku has super storm leg. Lucci had ryokogun. Vergo had hakied bamboo stick. So to say shigan is a better finisher because it bodied more fodder means you also think that it is stronger than a coc infused punches because it took out more fodder.
Now about jyubra finishing off sanji with shigan. Well thats bulkahit since he actually landed that shigan while sanji shut his shit down with his second immediate diamble jambe followed right after that. Infact to also add with shigan. It was buffed even more because of the fact that lucci had actually claws on hybrid, jyubra had actual claws in hybrid. And Kaku used it with his big nose meaning a shigan that actually cover more body mass when struck. And none of them were able to finish their opponents with it.
And finally the jyubra defense argument. That's bullshit based on the fact that he stated his defensively abilities didn't change. He simple created a kempo capable of working in unison with it. Infact your example is bullshit since you believe a suit of armor is superior to a shield because the shield is stationary. Let me shut thay down now. Is a tank or a suit of armor more durable defensively than the Pentagon? No. So the stationary vs nonstationary argument to deduced defense efficiency is actually bull.
And as an extra point. There is zero proof you can provide showing that Kaku got slower. Infact we know he got faster when he adjusted his leg and arm length based on the fact that that was the first time shown within the fight that he was able to use both sword and storm leg in complete unison simultaneously.
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OK I'm not denying this, I am merely stating that even if they fought in a larger room, Kaku's mobility would still be hindered due to the nature of his DF and the nature of his fighting style
Who, between these 3, looks to the reader like the odd-one out? Obviously Kaku that's part of the whole joke of his design.
He is a GIRAFFE. He is not a pouncing animal like Jyabura and Lucci, Geppo is akin to pouncing so OBVIOUSLY HE WOULD BE WORSE AT GEPPO.
Everything about this guy's Hybrid form, is awkward and strange which is why he has to invent all these weird bandage-fix variations to overcome his fruit's obvious flaws not present in Lucci and Jyabura's. One of those flaws is stifled movement due to his disproportionate and lanky design.
He has to get "used" to his new body because compared to Jyabura & Lucci's, his body is disproportionate and awkward and not suited for movement the way the former 2 are.
Spamming Geppo would theoretically be even more effective against somebody with Wind Slashes because it makes your movement far more unpredictable and difficult to hit with a projectile.
It's much easier to hit somebody that's stationary and on the ground like Kaku was than someone like Jyabura who has a smaller body and is bouncing off the air in every which direction.
Dude, somebody "not being finished" is NOT a good criteria for a move in a manga where NOBODY dies. Of course they wouldn't have died. Oda had Lucci use his strongest move while Luffy was at less than 10% of his health and he still got back up.
That's because, as I said, they SPECIALIZE in said-moves.
Lucci used ryokugun to finish because he specializes in ryokugan.
Kaku used rankyaku to finish because he specializes in rankyaku.
Vergo had haki bamboo stick to finish because he specializes in using that bamboo stick.
But all of them used Shigan to finish, not Rankyaku thus Shigan is the superior finisher and is more lethal. If the opposite was true they would have simply used Rankyaku instead.
Jyabura got half of his Shigan shut-down.
Kaku got ALL of his Rankyaku shut-down.
Shigan > Rankyaku
Nobody dies in OP
Although his defense itself didn't increase in toughness/durability, his ability to use said durability is massively increased which is by default an upgrade, a very massive one too considering how much more attacks one could theoretically endure if they were able to use it in unison with their offense.
In the instance I gave, Kaku and Jyabura's defense in terms of how much they can tank is the same, so the shield and the suit of armor in the example I gave defend equally against the same attack.
Jyabura is just able to use that armor much more regularly, thus he can endure attacks much more regularly thus his defensive capabilities > Kaku by default.
Yes, there is proof lol in his base form he used Geppo regularly, the moment he activated Hybrid he didn't use it whatsoever except to retrieve swords.
Kaku's Hybrid is a meme, Jyabura's and Lucci's Hybrid are a threat
- Kaku is a LONG-RANGE fighter, all of his most powerful moves are done at a range, which means that by necessity he does not need higher-speed/movement, geppo etc. because he doesn't need them to close distance, unlike Jyabura who needs to be in arms-reach to actually land an attack.
- Kaku's DF is clearly not built for Geppo. Anyone can look at the design of Kaku's Hybrid v.s. Jyabura & Lucci's to see that Kaku Hybrid using Geppo would be much more awkward than Jyabura & Lucci's because it is lankier (meaning less-compressed and compact for movement), disproportionate (very tall upper-neck area compared to low-lower body area), and stationary (look at Kaku's feet compared to Jyabura and Lucci's. Kaku's feet are tiny little hooves, which are clearly worse for grounding & compression for spring-motion compared to Jyabura (and Lucci's) feet, which are longer and clearly superior for spring-action "pouncing"; naturally this would include geppo.)
Who, between these 3, looks to the reader like the odd-one out? Obviously Kaku that's part of the whole joke of his design.
He is a GIRAFFE. He is not a pouncing animal like Jyabura and Lucci, Geppo is akin to pouncing so OBVIOUSLY HE WOULD BE WORSE AT GEPPO.
Everything about this guy's Hybrid form, is awkward and strange which is why he has to invent all these weird bandage-fix variations to overcome his fruit's obvious flaws not present in Lucci and Jyabura's. One of those flaws is stifled movement due to his disproportionate and lanky design.
He has to get "used" to his new body because compared to Jyabura & Lucci's, his body is disproportionate and awkward and not suited for movement the way the former 2 are.
Spamming Geppo would theoretically be even more effective against somebody with Wind Slashes because it makes your movement far more unpredictable and difficult to hit with a projectile.
It's much easier to hit somebody that's stationary and on the ground like Kaku was than someone like Jyabura who has a smaller body and is bouncing off the air in every which direction.
Dude, somebody "not being finished" is NOT a good criteria for a move in a manga where NOBODY dies. Of course they wouldn't have died. Oda had Lucci use his strongest move while Luffy was at less than 10% of his health and he still got back up.
That's because, as I said, they SPECIALIZE in said-moves.
Lucci used ryokugun to finish because he specializes in ryokugan.
Kaku used rankyaku to finish because he specializes in rankyaku.
Vergo had haki bamboo stick to finish because he specializes in using that bamboo stick.
But all of them used Shigan to finish, not Rankyaku thus Shigan is the superior finisher and is more lethal. If the opposite was true they would have simply used Rankyaku instead.
Jyabura got half of his Shigan shut-down.
Kaku got ALL of his Rankyaku shut-down.
Shigan > Rankyaku
Nobody dies in OP
Although his defense itself didn't increase in toughness/durability, his ability to use said durability is massively increased which is by default an upgrade, a very massive one too considering how much more attacks one could theoretically endure if they were able to use it in unison with their offense.
In the instance I gave, Kaku and Jyabura's defense in terms of how much they can tank is the same, so the shield and the suit of armor in the example I gave defend equally against the same attack.
Jyabura is just able to use that armor much more regularly, thus he can endure attacks much more regularly thus his defensive capabilities > Kaku by default.
Yes, there is proof lol in his base form he used Geppo regularly, the moment he activated Hybrid he didn't use it whatsoever except to retrieve swords.
Kaku's Hybrid is a meme, Jyabura's and Lucci's Hybrid are a threat
OK I'm not denying this, I am merely stating that even if they fought in a larger room, Kaku's mobility would still be hindered due to the nature of his DF and the nature of his fighting style
Who, between these 3, looks to the reader like the odd-one out? Obviously Kaku that's part of the whole joke of his design.
He is a GIRAFFE. He is not a pouncing animal like Jyabura and Lucci, Geppo is akin to pouncing so OBVIOUSLY HE WOULD BE WORSE AT GEPPO.
Everything about this guy's Hybrid form, is awkward and strange which is why he has to invent all these weird bandage-fix variations to overcome his fruit's obvious flaws not present in Lucci and Jyabura's. One of those flaws is stifled movement due to his disproportionate and lanky design.
He has to get "used" to his new body because compared to Jyabura & Lucci's, his body is disproportionate and awkward and not suited for movement the way the former 2 are.
Spamming Geppo would theoretically be even more effective against somebody with Wind Slashes because it makes your movement far more unpredictable and difficult to hit with a projectile.
It's much easier to hit somebody that's stationary and on the ground like Kaku was than someone like Jyabura who has a smaller body and is bouncing off the air in every which direction.
Dude, somebody "not being finished" is NOT a good criteria for a move in a manga where NOBODY dies. Of course they wouldn't have died. Oda had Lucci use his strongest move while Luffy was at less than 10% of his health and he still got back up.
That's because, as I said, they SPECIALIZE in said-moves.
Lucci used ryokugun to finish because he specializes in ryokugan.
Kaku used rankyaku to finish because he specializes in rankyaku.
Vergo had haki bamboo stick to finish because he specializes in using that bamboo stick.
But all of them used Shigan to finish, not Rankyaku thus Shigan is the superior finisher and is more lethal. If the opposite was true they would have simply used Rankyaku instead.
Jyabura got half of his Shigan shut-down.
Kaku got ALL of his Rankyaku shut-down.
Shigan > Rankyaku
Nobody dies in OP
Although his defense itself didn't increase in toughness/durability, his ability to use said durability is massively increased which is by default an upgrade, a very massive one too considering how much more attacks one could theoretically endure if they were able to use it in unison with their offense.
In the instance I gave, Kaku and Jyabura's defense in terms of how much they can tank is the same, so the shield and the suit of armor in the example I gave defend equally against the same attack.
Jyabura is just able to use that armor much more regularly, thus he can endure attacks much more regularly thus his defensive capabilities > Kaku by default.
Yes, there is proof lol in his base form he used Geppo regularly, the moment he activated Hybrid he didn't use it whatsoever except to retrieve swords.
Kaku's Hybrid is a meme, Jyabura's and Lucci's Hybrid are a threat
- Kaku is a LONG-RANGE fighter, all of his most powerful moves are done at a range, which means that by necessity he does not need higher-speed/movement, geppo etc. because he doesn't need them to close distance, unlike Jyabura who needs to be in arms-reach to actually land an attack.
- Kaku's DF is clearly not built for Geppo. Anyone can look at the design of Kaku's Hybrid v.s. Jyabura & Lucci's to see that Kaku Hybrid using Geppo would be much more awkward than Jyabura & Lucci's because it is lankier (meaning less-compressed and compact for movement), disproportionate (very tall upper-neck area compared to low-lower body area), and stationary (look at Kaku's feet compared to Jyabura and Lucci's. Kaku's feet are tiny little hooves, which are clearly worse for grounding & compression for spring-motion compared to Jyabura (and Lucci's) feet, which are longer and clearly superior for spring-action "pouncing"; naturally this would include geppo.)
Who, between these 3, looks to the reader like the odd-one out? Obviously Kaku that's part of the whole joke of his design.
He is a GIRAFFE. He is not a pouncing animal like Jyabura and Lucci, Geppo is akin to pouncing so OBVIOUSLY HE WOULD BE WORSE AT GEPPO.
Everything about this guy's Hybrid form, is awkward and strange which is why he has to invent all these weird bandage-fix variations to overcome his fruit's obvious flaws not present in Lucci and Jyabura's. One of those flaws is stifled movement due to his disproportionate and lanky design.
He has to get "used" to his new body because compared to Jyabura & Lucci's, his body is disproportionate and awkward and not suited for movement the way the former 2 are.
Spamming Geppo would theoretically be even more effective against somebody with Wind Slashes because it makes your movement far more unpredictable and difficult to hit with a projectile.
It's much easier to hit somebody that's stationary and on the ground like Kaku was than someone like Jyabura who has a smaller body and is bouncing off the air in every which direction.
Dude, somebody "not being finished" is NOT a good criteria for a move in a manga where NOBODY dies. Of course they wouldn't have died. Oda had Lucci use his strongest move while Luffy was at less than 10% of his health and he still got back up.
That's because, as I said, they SPECIALIZE in said-moves.
Lucci used ryokugun to finish because he specializes in ryokugan.
Kaku used rankyaku to finish because he specializes in rankyaku.
Vergo had haki bamboo stick to finish because he specializes in using that bamboo stick.
But all of them used Shigan to finish, not Rankyaku thus Shigan is the superior finisher and is more lethal. If the opposite was true they would have simply used Rankyaku instead.
Jyabura got half of his Shigan shut-down.
Kaku got ALL of his Rankyaku shut-down.
Shigan > Rankyaku
Nobody dies in OP
Although his defense itself didn't increase in toughness/durability, his ability to use said durability is massively increased which is by default an upgrade, a very massive one too considering how much more attacks one could theoretically endure if they were able to use it in unison with their offense.
In the instance I gave, Kaku and Jyabura's defense in terms of how much they can tank is the same, so the shield and the suit of armor in the example I gave defend equally against the same attack.
Jyabura is just able to use that armor much more regularly, thus he can endure attacks much more regularly thus his defensive capabilities > Kaku by default.
Yes, there is proof lol in his base form he used Geppo regularly, the moment he activated Hybrid he didn't use it whatsoever except to retrieve swords.
Kaku's Hybrid is a meme, Jyabura's and Lucci's Hybrid are a threat
1. It seems I have to reiterate this again. THE MOMENT KAKU DECREASED HIS KNECK AND INCREASED HIS LEGS AND ARMS YOUR GEPPO ARGUMENT ENDED. WHICH WAS MY POINT.
2. at least you agreed with the having more space situation. However you are wrong about something else. Geppo is by nature less affective against a person with range since that person doesn't even have to move for his or her spot to launch techniques that close a distance.
Which is why Kaku stopped using it against zoro when he turned hybrid (he tried exactly what you stated when he was in base and saw that it was not affective).
3. The size disproportion argument makes zero sense since a person that can master and control their zoan devil fruit can also control their proportions as shown when Kaku accidentally stumbled upon decreasing his kneck and increasing his legs and arms. Infact at that moment he learned to increase and decrease certain body parts of himself at Will. So in the beginning with the long kneck it may have been an issue with geppo because of the space of the room..But the moment he decreased his kneck and learned that he could increase legs and arms it became a non factor
4. Storm leg was shut down because zoro is a stronger opponent than sanji. While jyubra still was able to get a shigan off of sanji before being kicked. However the shigan was still unable to take sanji out. Infact we know Kaku is stronger based on dooriki. And last time I checked dooriki doesn't include devil fruit or weapon usage. So Kaku even without swords is stronger than jyubra
5. Bullshit on the shigan killing people. Since my original point wasn't about it killing. My point and examples were that it hasn't even knocked out characters that weren't fodder. It also failed to knockout straws from the enes lobby arc. Califa was spamming it still failed to knock out sanji. Failed to knockout nami. It has failed to take out chopper. Failed to take out zoro or sanji or luffy. This finisher you claim is so amazingly bad that it failed to KNOCKOUT Amy straw hat from enes lobby arc. Let's go further. Here is the definition of the word finishing move :
finishing move:
"In media such as one-on-one fighting video games and professional wrestling, a dedicated special attack used to knock out an enemy on the brink of defeat in a flashy and spectacular manner".
Last time i checked shigan hasn't done this in enes lobby or post timeksip to a person that wasn't fodder. Shigan hasnt done this to any main character from enes lobby to posttimeskip
Also again your defense explanation is still horrid. Is jyubras tekkai harder that kakus? No. Is kakus body by default naturally more tanky and durable because of his ability to increase and decrease his size proportions? Yes. Is kakus mass also more than jyubras? Yes. So what the hell do you think happens if a person with more density uses the same hardening technique as the next guy who lacks the density in comparison? My thoughts exactly. So your argument in saying they can endure than same is cap.
Jyubra can uses his defense while attacking. While kakus Hybrid body combined with his tekkai is more durable than jyubra.
The who was more focused on what is an excuse since Lucci based on paper was an expert at shigan. To the point that he could use long ranged shigan techniques. He was so good at it that he could have even set his long ranged shigan ablaze which caused burns. And yet it still failed at being a finisher lol
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It always comes back to Jabu
ITS NOT JUST HIS NECK, BUT HIS LEGS AND ARMS BEING LANKIER AND LESS AQUITTED FOR GEPPO & MOVEMENT. IT'S ALSO HIS FIGHTING STYLE AS A RANGED FIGHTER NOT NEEDING TO MOVEMENT TO CLOSE DISTANCE.
Yes, you finally get it. Kaku didn't use Geppo against Zolo because Kaku didn't need Geppo to be effective because HE IS A RANGED FIGHTER.
This is also why SANJI LEARNED GEPPO, AND ZOLO LEARNED WIND SLASH. Sanji is CLOSE-RANGE thus needs movement to close-distance, Zolo is LONG-RANGE thus needs range to keep distance.
It's not just his legs that cause him to have strange proportions, it's also his arms, legs and hooves. Kaku has only shown to be able to adjust his neck but still has his lanky and freakish limbs to deal with.
This is a non-issue for Jyabura and Lucci who do not need to cycle through such forms because their movement is by-default, superior.
Even if Kaku loses his neck and gains a fraction of Jyabura's mobility, he loses his Neck which is his main weapon in Hybrid Form.
Kaku's proportion-control is a bandage-fix that never truly solves the issue that his Herbivorous Zoan has that Jyabura & Lucci's Carnivorous Zoans do not have.
Nothing Califa would have done would have knocked out Sanji because she is a fodder next to Sanji.
After 1 shigan, Luffy and Zolo were coughing up blood and on their knees to be tossed aside like trash.
Nami was bleeding heavily due to Shigan and was taking damage from Shigan only, nothing else. Thus you cannot use anything else besides Shigan as a criteria assuming Rankyaku for example would have done better or worse.
If Shigan was such a bad finisher as you say, why didn't they just use Rankyaku instead?
No, it is equal but he can utelize it significantly more thus it is better.
No. In the words of Zolo himself, "Your long neck is a weakness".
Kaku, for the majority of the fight, is in a form where is neck is elongated and exposed, thus we should use that form as a criteria, not some situational form.
Sure, his durability is higher in THIS form...but then he literally cannot move and defend himself close-up.
The only form where Kaku's durability is actually better than Jabura's, is when he is also immobilized and cannot move whatsoever.
Not to mention, he can only use this form situationally, he used it for maybe 10% of the fight.
So the other 90% of the time, Jabura's durability is equally potent, but more effective thus better because he can use it constantly rather than situationally.
But Kaku cannot move, and loses the effectiveness that his neck provided in Rankyaku.
So, in this instance, he gains 1 advantage over Jyabura, but loses another, with the other advantages Jyabura has over Kaku such as mobility and Shigan being further increased.
ITS NOT JUST HIS NECK, BUT HIS LEGS AND ARMS BEING LANKIER AND LESS AQUITTED FOR GEPPO & MOVEMENT. IT'S ALSO HIS FIGHTING STYLE AS A RANGED FIGHTER NOT NEEDING TO MOVEMENT TO CLOSE DISTANCE.
Yes, you finally get it. Kaku didn't use Geppo against Zolo because Kaku didn't need Geppo to be effective because HE IS A RANGED FIGHTER.
This is also why SANJI LEARNED GEPPO, AND ZOLO LEARNED WIND SLASH. Sanji is CLOSE-RANGE thus needs movement to close-distance, Zolo is LONG-RANGE thus needs range to keep distance.
It's not just his legs that cause him to have strange proportions, it's also his arms, legs and hooves. Kaku has only shown to be able to adjust his neck but still has his lanky and freakish limbs to deal with.
This is a non-issue for Jyabura and Lucci who do not need to cycle through such forms because their movement is by-default, superior.
Even if Kaku loses his neck and gains a fraction of Jyabura's mobility, he loses his Neck which is his main weapon in Hybrid Form.
Kaku's proportion-control is a bandage-fix that never truly solves the issue that his Herbivorous Zoan has that Jyabura & Lucci's Carnivorous Zoans do not have.
Nothing Califa would have done would have knocked out Sanji because she is a fodder next to Sanji.
After 1 shigan, Luffy and Zolo were coughing up blood and on their knees to be tossed aside like trash.
Nami was bleeding heavily due to Shigan and was taking damage from Shigan only, nothing else. Thus you cannot use anything else besides Shigan as a criteria assuming Rankyaku for example would have done better or worse.
If Shigan was such a bad finisher as you say, why didn't they just use Rankyaku instead?
No, it is equal but he can utelize it significantly more thus it is better.
No. In the words of Zolo himself, "Your long neck is a weakness".
Kaku, for the majority of the fight, is in a form where is neck is elongated and exposed, thus we should use that form as a criteria, not some situational form.
Sure, his durability is higher in THIS form...but then he literally cannot move and defend himself close-up.
The only form where Kaku's durability is actually better than Jabura's, is when he is also immobilized and cannot move whatsoever.
Not to mention, he can only use this form situationally, he used it for maybe 10% of the fight.
So the other 90% of the time, Jabura's durability is equally potent, but more effective thus better because he can use it constantly rather than situationally.
But Kaku cannot move, and loses the effectiveness that his neck provided in Rankyaku.
So, in this instance, he gains 1 advantage over Jyabura, but loses another, with the other advantages Jyabura has over Kaku such as mobility and Shigan being further increased.
It always comes back to Jabu
ITS NOT JUST HIS NECK, BUT HIS LEGS AND ARMS BEING LANKIER AND LESS AQUITTED FOR GEPPO & MOVEMENT. IT'S ALSO HIS FIGHTING STYLE AS A RANGED FIGHTER NOT NEEDING TO MOVEMENT TO CLOSE DISTANCE.
Yes, you finally get it. Kaku didn't use Geppo against Zolo because Kaku didn't need Geppo to be effective because HE IS A RANGED FIGHTER.
This is also why SANJI LEARNED GEPPO, AND ZOLO LEARNED WIND SLASH. Sanji is CLOSE-RANGE thus needs movement to close-distance, Zolo is LONG-RANGE thus needs range to keep distance.
It's not just his legs that cause him to have strange proportions, it's also his arms, legs and hooves. Kaku has only shown to be able to adjust his neck but still has his lanky and freakish limbs to deal with.
This is a non-issue for Jyabura and Lucci who do not need to cycle through such forms because their movement is by-default, superior.
Even if Kaku loses his neck and gains a fraction of Jyabura's mobility, he loses his Neck which is his main weapon in Hybrid Form.
Kaku's proportion-control is a bandage-fix that never truly solves the issue that his Herbivorous Zoan has that Jyabura & Lucci's Carnivorous Zoans do not have.
Nothing Califa would have done would have knocked out Sanji because she is a fodder next to Sanji.
After 1 shigan, Luffy and Zolo were coughing up blood and on their knees to be tossed aside like trash.
Nami was bleeding heavily due to Shigan and was taking damage from Shigan only, nothing else. Thus you cannot use anything else besides Shigan as a criteria assuming Rankyaku for example would have done better or worse.
If Shigan was such a bad finisher as you say, why didn't they just use Rankyaku instead?
No, it is equal but he can utelize it significantly more thus it is better.
No. In the words of Zolo himself, "Your long neck is a weakness".
Kaku, for the majority of the fight, is in a form where is neck is elongated and exposed, thus we should use that form as a criteria, not some situational form.
Sure, his durability is higher in THIS form...but then he literally cannot move and defend himself close-up.
The only form where Kaku's durability is actually better than Jabura's, is when he is also immobilized and cannot move whatsoever.
Not to mention, he can only use this form situationally, he used it for maybe 10% of the fight.
So the other 90% of the time, Jabura's durability is equally potent, but more effective thus better because he can use it constantly rather than situationally.
But Kaku cannot move, and loses the effectiveness that his neck provided in Rankyaku.
So, in this instance, he gains 1 advantage over Jyabura, but loses another, with the other advantages Jyabura has over Kaku such as mobility and Shigan being further increased.
ITS NOT JUST HIS NECK, BUT HIS LEGS AND ARMS BEING LANKIER AND LESS AQUITTED FOR GEPPO & MOVEMENT. IT'S ALSO HIS FIGHTING STYLE AS A RANGED FIGHTER NOT NEEDING TO MOVEMENT TO CLOSE DISTANCE.
Yes, you finally get it. Kaku didn't use Geppo against Zolo because Kaku didn't need Geppo to be effective because HE IS A RANGED FIGHTER.
This is also why SANJI LEARNED GEPPO, AND ZOLO LEARNED WIND SLASH. Sanji is CLOSE-RANGE thus needs movement to close-distance, Zolo is LONG-RANGE thus needs range to keep distance.
It's not just his legs that cause him to have strange proportions, it's also his arms, legs and hooves. Kaku has only shown to be able to adjust his neck but still has his lanky and freakish limbs to deal with.
This is a non-issue for Jyabura and Lucci who do not need to cycle through such forms because their movement is by-default, superior.
Even if Kaku loses his neck and gains a fraction of Jyabura's mobility, he loses his Neck which is his main weapon in Hybrid Form.
Kaku's proportion-control is a bandage-fix that never truly solves the issue that his Herbivorous Zoan has that Jyabura & Lucci's Carnivorous Zoans do not have.
Nothing Califa would have done would have knocked out Sanji because she is a fodder next to Sanji.
After 1 shigan, Luffy and Zolo were coughing up blood and on their knees to be tossed aside like trash.
Nami was bleeding heavily due to Shigan and was taking damage from Shigan only, nothing else. Thus you cannot use anything else besides Shigan as a criteria assuming Rankyaku for example would have done better or worse.
If Shigan was such a bad finisher as you say, why didn't they just use Rankyaku instead?
No, it is equal but he can utelize it significantly more thus it is better.
No. In the words of Zolo himself, "Your long neck is a weakness".
Kaku, for the majority of the fight, is in a form where is neck is elongated and exposed, thus we should use that form as a criteria, not some situational form.
Sure, his durability is higher in THIS form...but then he literally cannot move and defend himself close-up.
The only form where Kaku's durability is actually better than Jabura's, is when he is also immobilized and cannot move whatsoever.
Not to mention, he can only use this form situationally, he used it for maybe 10% of the fight.
So the other 90% of the time, Jabura's durability is equally potent, but more effective thus better because he can use it constantly rather than situationally.
But Kaku cannot move, and loses the effectiveness that his neck provided in Rankyaku.
So, in this instance, he gains 1 advantage over Jyabura, but loses another, with the other advantages Jyabura has over Kaku such as mobility and Shigan being further increased.
1. Will say this again to you. YOUR ARGUMENT IN SAYING WHY KAKU USED GEPPO LESS IN HYBRID IS BS. AS I STATED HE USED IT LESS BECAUSE HE WAS FIGHTING RANGED FIGHTER. HENCE WHY JYUBRA USED IT MORE. HAD NOTHING TO DO ABOUT LANKINESS.
Infact your lankiness argument is bullshit since Kaku in hybrid with those same skinny limbs and huge body was able to simultaneously use his swords and kicks. Something he couldn't do in base.
Infact the lankiness (which only means skinny by the way) example is piss poor since Kaku was able to hold his body his entire body upright while spinning to use his strongest storm leg. So kakus one lanky arm was very capable of upholding his entire body mass while spinning to use a technique. Yet you bullshit and say he couldnt use geppo because of his body mass and lanky legs????
So not only did you not prove him becoming slower because of his mass and skinny legs. You also can't even prove that his arms and legs are to lanky to support his own body lol.
Zoro called kakus kneck a weakness because it was a huge target. However after this scene kaku displayed the ability to change the trajectory of his attacks based on his neck. Infact he even learned how to retract it mid attack to leave his opponents open for him to counter attack lol.
And and by the way Kaku nose shigan > jyubras finger shigan. Mass, weight, and striking force are increased because of kakus kneck mass. Infact kakus nose shigan even covers more area on a person body when struck with it since it simultaneously hits the upper chest and the lower abdomen.
Kakus body default us heavier than jyubra. And thus more mass and thus more durable. Thay durability increases further when he alters his proportions
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No. THE ARGUMENT THAT ZOLO = RANGED FIGHTER SO KAKU DIDN'T USE GEPPO IS FALSE, BECAUSE KAKU USED GEPPO AGAINST ZOLO IN THE BEGINNING WHEN KAKU WAS IN BASE FORM.
THE MOMENT KAKU ENTERED HYBRID, HE STOPPED USING GEPPO BECAUSE ZOAN/HYBRID HINDERS GEPPO IN EXCHANGE FOR RANKYAKU/RANGE.
IN ZOAN/HYBRID, KAKU IS A PREDOMINANTLY RANGED FIGHTER BECAUSE HIS FIGHTING STYLE REVOLVES AROUND RANKYAKU & HIS DF HINDERS HIGH-SPEED MOVEMENT.
Still doesn't change the fact that...
95% OF KAKU'S S ATTACKS ARE STATIONARY AND DO NOT USE BODILY MOVEMENT, LONG-RANGE
90% of KAKU'S ATTACKS USE RANGED AND ARE STATIONARY; BLOCK MOVEMENT
90% OF JYABURA'S ATTACKS ARE SHORT-RANGED AND NON-STATIONARY; REQUIRE MOVEMENT
CONCLUSION:
KAKU HAS MORE RANGE, LESS MOVEMENT
JABURA HAS LESS RANGE, MORE MOVEMENT
His arms being lanky do not mean his arms are weak, it just means they are ill-suited for close-range combat due to their length and lack of compression.
Think about how tall, lanky men are better at keeping distance since their arms and legs are longer, but worse at close-range.
This is what I am referring to here. Because his limbs are longer he is less-effective at close-range meaning he has to maintain a mid-long range to be effective.
For combat, Kaku used Geppo in base form, but didn't use Geppo in Hybrid Form. That alone proves that his DF hinders Geppo and by extension, movement.
The room he fought Zolo in initially while he was in base form using Geppo is even smaller than the room he fought him in while in Hybrid so no the room obviously isn't the issue it's Kaku himself and his giant and disproportionate physique blocking proper movement. This is what Kaku's design tells the reader, that when he is using his DF he is slower and lankier.
Yes, this means that his neck is extra mass that slows him down without any added durability to compensate unless he pulls his neck in, which restricts Rankyaku at the same time his main tool, and at worst, completely immobilizes him.
False-equivalency Kaku's nose shigan is completely blunt and doesn't have the penetrative ability that Jyabura's finger shigan has.
They are completely different types of attack lol Jyabura's shigan are meant to poke holes in your organs, Kaku's attack is meant to put force on your entire body and/or push you back.
More mass =/= more durability as Kaku's neck is a vulnerable area whenever it's not stored in.
Said increased durability comes at the cost of being immobilized and unable to use neck to attack/rankyaku.
THE MOMENT KAKU ENTERED HYBRID, HE STOPPED USING GEPPO BECAUSE ZOAN/HYBRID HINDERS GEPPO IN EXCHANGE FOR RANKYAKU/RANGE.
IN ZOAN/HYBRID, KAKU IS A PREDOMINANTLY RANGED FIGHTER BECAUSE HIS FIGHTING STYLE REVOLVES AROUND RANKYAKU & HIS DF HINDERS HIGH-SPEED MOVEMENT.
Still doesn't change the fact that...
95% OF KAKU'S S ATTACKS ARE STATIONARY AND DO NOT USE BODILY MOVEMENT, LONG-RANGE
- RANKYAKU: RAN
- RANKYAKU: SEN
- RANKYAKU: HAKURAI
- GIRAFFE BLAST
- GIRAFFE SHOWER
- GIRAFFE SCYTHE
- GIRAFFE WHIPLASH
- GIRAFFE FIERCE BLAST
- RANKYAKU: SHURIKEN
- RANKYAKU: SKY SLICER
- FINGER-PISTOL: TEN-FINGER
- IRON BODY: WOLF BULLET
- IRON BODY: WOLF FANG
- IRON BODY: WOLF HUNT: HIGH-SPEED SCRATCH
- IRON BODY: DON RO PO
- STORM LEG: LUPUS FALL (required moon-walk for him to get closer or to increase velocity, or both)
- IRON BODY: DEVIL WOLF
- FINGER PISTOL: MOONLIGHT TEN
90% of KAKU'S ATTACKS USE RANGED AND ARE STATIONARY; BLOCK MOVEMENT
90% OF JYABURA'S ATTACKS ARE SHORT-RANGED AND NON-STATIONARY; REQUIRE MOVEMENT
CONCLUSION:
KAKU HAS MORE RANGE, LESS MOVEMENT
JABURA HAS LESS RANGE, MORE MOVEMENT
His arms being lanky do not mean his arms are weak, it just means they are ill-suited for close-range combat due to their length and lack of compression.
Think about how tall, lanky men are better at keeping distance since their arms and legs are longer, but worse at close-range.
This is what I am referring to here. Because his limbs are longer he is less-effective at close-range meaning he has to maintain a mid-long range to be effective.
For combat, Kaku used Geppo in base form, but didn't use Geppo in Hybrid Form. That alone proves that his DF hinders Geppo and by extension, movement.
The room he fought Zolo in initially while he was in base form using Geppo is even smaller than the room he fought him in while in Hybrid so no the room obviously isn't the issue it's Kaku himself and his giant and disproportionate physique blocking proper movement. This is what Kaku's design tells the reader, that when he is using his DF he is slower and lankier.
Yes, this means that his neck is extra mass that slows him down without any added durability to compensate unless he pulls his neck in, which restricts Rankyaku at the same time his main tool, and at worst, completely immobilizes him.
False-equivalency Kaku's nose shigan is completely blunt and doesn't have the penetrative ability that Jyabura's finger shigan has.
They are completely different types of attack lol Jyabura's shigan are meant to poke holes in your organs, Kaku's attack is meant to put force on your entire body and/or push you back.
More mass =/= more durability as Kaku's neck is a vulnerable area whenever it's not stored in.
Said increased durability comes at the cost of being immobilized and unable to use neck to attack/rankyaku.
1..cap on the lankiness prohibiting his movements. Show the panel of that being an issue
2. Cap on him not being able to use geppo efficiently because of lankiness. Again show the panels. He used in while in base. It had zero affect since zoro had range. It didn't provide him the the edge he needed hence why he didn't spam it.
3. Kakus entire body except arms/ legs are naturally more durable and has more mass than jyubra. Not just the kneck. That durability is his torso region even further increasew when he pulls his kneck in that actually increases his arm and leg length. And then again that defense is further increased when he puts him self in a box shape. And even while immobile is still able to send storm legs that bounced from the roof back to the ground on his opponent. Meaning he still has a legit unavoidably way of attacking his opponents
4. He supported his entire weight with one lanky arm which means your lankiness excuse does not hold weight to why he couldn't use geppo. Since we see him comfortably using it when more of the top half of the building they were fighting in was cleared for him to get his blades.
5. Show a panel of base kaku using both storm legs and swords simultaneously. He only did it in hybrid since hybrid offered him the reach and the leg length neccessary him to capitalize on speed.
6. Bullshit on the penertrative capabilities of kakus nose shigan since it was able to quite easily penertrate stone that even left a square shape mark. So it does have penertrative force. Show me the panel indicating that jyubras shigan has more penetration abilities.
7. And bullshit on saying 93 percent of his moves don't use BODILY movement. Doesn't he have to kick his legs to launch a storm leg? Does he have to use his nose to use a shigan? Are they not apart of his body that he has to physically move in order to launch an attack? So how in the hell are they not BODILY MOVEMENTS? Explain to me how they are stationary when he has to physically move in order to launch these attacks? Last time I checked the definition of stationary is : "not moving or not intended to be moved".
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He went from using Geppo in Base, to not using Geppo in Hybrid. He went from moving around very often in Base form, to moving around very little and staying stationed from mid-long range in Hybrid.
This obvious change-up in fighting style is proof of the trade-off Kaku experiences the moment he enters Hybrid. More power, more durability, more range in exchange for less movement, agility and worse Geppo.
He used it for COMBAT in Base. He didn't use it for combat in Hybrid.
Bullcrap on Zolo's "range" being Kaku's reasoning for lack of Geppo and movement since Zolo attacked predominantly with short-ranged attacks.
Luffy in G2 used far more ranged attacks than Zolo with his jet pistols, jet stamp, etc. yet Rob Lucci continued using Geppo regardless.
They aren't, in fact Jyabura's torso is actually wider and larger than Kaku's
Jyabura's Upper Torso > Kaku's upper torso it is what it is, look at the panels
He didn't use it for combat in that instance, he used it once to retrieve some random item. Compare that to when he was in base form and was using it constantly for combat in that small little bout, then never again when he entered Hybrid. That's an obvious demonstration of the movement-for-power/range trade-off Kaku made when he entered his DF.
And that's what should be recognized here.
Kaku's DF is not a straight all-round stat boost like Jyabura's and Lucci's is.
He doesn't just get a stronger body and stronger limbs, he gets a massive neck that nearly DOUBLES his size.
Obviously, that neck comes at a trade-off of being making him more disproportionate and heavier thus less mobile which is why he goes from using Geppo routinely to not using it whatsoever for combat.
Yes, exactly. He gains more reach in his Hybrid which further adds to this notion of him being a ranged fighter which by default means he does not need Geppo or lots of movement to dominate.
Not saying it doesn't have penetrative force but even a monkey can figure out that stepping on a sharp needle is going to penetrate his skin more than stepping on a giant boulder.
Conclusion:
When Kaku enters DF form, unlike Jyabura and Lucci, he doesn't just gain a physical stat boost, he also gains a neck that doubles his body's total length, adding extra weight/range in exchange for less movement. We can see this obvious exchange, because he moves far less and doesn't use Geppo for combat whatsoever in Hybrid.
Please, recognize this obvious portrayal and quit acting like Kaku's DF is some all-round stat booster like Jyabura's and Lucci's is. It's not, it's different from their fruits thus it has strengths (range, neck-power/utility) and weaknesses (worse agility). Kaku transforming doesn't solve one issue without creating another, thus we should judge his Hybrid form in it's default state where his neck is out and elongated.
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Kaku's nose "shigan" isn't a shigan at all because it's a blunt-force attack whereas normal shigans are sharp.
This obvious change-up in fighting style is proof of the trade-off Kaku experiences the moment he enters Hybrid. More power, more durability, more range in exchange for less movement, agility and worse Geppo.
He used it for COMBAT in Base. He didn't use it for combat in Hybrid.
Bullcrap on Zolo's "range" being Kaku's reasoning for lack of Geppo and movement since Zolo attacked predominantly with short-ranged attacks.
Luffy in G2 used far more ranged attacks than Zolo with his jet pistols, jet stamp, etc. yet Rob Lucci continued using Geppo regardless.
They aren't, in fact Jyabura's torso is actually wider and larger than Kaku's
Jyabura's Upper Torso > Kaku's upper torso it is what it is, look at the panels
He didn't use it for combat in that instance, he used it once to retrieve some random item. Compare that to when he was in base form and was using it constantly for combat in that small little bout, then never again when he entered Hybrid. That's an obvious demonstration of the movement-for-power/range trade-off Kaku made when he entered his DF.
And that's what should be recognized here.
Kaku's DF is not a straight all-round stat boost like Jyabura's and Lucci's is.
He doesn't just get a stronger body and stronger limbs, he gets a massive neck that nearly DOUBLES his size.
Obviously, that neck comes at a trade-off of being making him more disproportionate and heavier thus less mobile which is why he goes from using Geppo routinely to not using it whatsoever for combat.
Yes, exactly. He gains more reach in his Hybrid which further adds to this notion of him being a ranged fighter which by default means he does not need Geppo or lots of movement to dominate.
Not saying it doesn't have penetrative force but even a monkey can figure out that stepping on a sharp needle is going to penetrate his skin more than stepping on a giant boulder.
Conclusion:
When Kaku enters DF form, unlike Jyabura and Lucci, he doesn't just gain a physical stat boost, he also gains a neck that doubles his body's total length, adding extra weight/range in exchange for less movement. We can see this obvious exchange, because he moves far less and doesn't use Geppo for combat whatsoever in Hybrid.
Please, recognize this obvious portrayal and quit acting like Kaku's DF is some all-round stat booster like Jyabura's and Lucci's is. It's not, it's different from their fruits thus it has strengths (range, neck-power/utility) and weaknesses (worse agility). Kaku transforming doesn't solve one issue without creating another, thus we should judge his Hybrid form in it's default state where his neck is out and elongated.
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He went from using Geppo in Base, to not using Geppo in Hybrid. He went from moving around very often in Base form, to moving around very little and staying stationed from mid-long range in Hybrid.
This obvious change-up in fighting style is proof of the trade-off Kaku experiences the moment he enters Hybrid. More power, more durability, more range in exchange for less movement, agility and worse Geppo.
He used it for COMBAT in Base. He didn't use it for combat in Hybrid.
Bullcrap on Zolo's "range" being Kaku's reasoning for lack of Geppo and movement since Zolo attacked predominantly with short-ranged attacks.
Luffy in G2 used far more ranged attacks than Zolo with his jet pistols, jet stamp, etc. yet Rob Lucci continued using Geppo regardless.
They aren't, in fact Jyabura's torso is actually wider and larger than Kaku's
Jyabura's Upper Torso > Kaku's upper torso it is what it is, look at the panels
He didn't use it for combat in that instance, he used it once to retrieve some random item. Compare that to when he was in base form and was using it constantly for combat in that small little bout, then never again when he entered Hybrid. That's an obvious demonstration of the movement-for-power/range trade-off Kaku made when he entered his DF.
And that's what should be recognized here.
Kaku's DF is not a straight all-round stat boost like Jyabura's and Lucci's is.
He doesn't just get a stronger body and stronger limbs, he gets a massive neck that nearly DOUBLES his size.
Obviously, that neck comes at a trade-off of being making him more disproportionate and heavier thus less mobile which is why he goes from using Geppo routinely to not using it whatsoever for combat.
Yes, exactly. He gains more reach in his Hybrid which further adds to this notion of him being a ranged fighter which by default means he does not need Geppo or lots of movement to dominate.
Not saying it doesn't have penetrative force but even a monkey can figure out that stepping on a sharp needle is going to penetrate his skin more than stepping on a giant boulder.
Conclusion:
When Kaku enters DF form, unlike Jyabura and Lucci, he doesn't just gain a physical stat boost, he also gains a neck that doubles his body's total length, adding extra weight/range in exchange for less movement. We can see this obvious exchange, because he moves far less and doesn't use Geppo for combat whatsoever in Hybrid.
Please, recognize this obvious portrayal and quit acting like Kaku's DF is some all-round stat booster like Jyabura's and Lucci's is. It's not, it's different from their fruits thus it has strengths (range, neck-power/utility) and weaknesses (worse agility). Kaku transforming doesn't solve one issue without creating another, thus we should judge his Hybrid form in it's default state where his neck is out and elongated.
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Kaku's nose "shigan" isn't a shigan at all because it's a blunt-force attack whereas normal shigans are sharp.
This obvious change-up in fighting style is proof of the trade-off Kaku experiences the moment he enters Hybrid. More power, more durability, more range in exchange for less movement, agility and worse Geppo.
He used it for COMBAT in Base. He didn't use it for combat in Hybrid.
Bullcrap on Zolo's "range" being Kaku's reasoning for lack of Geppo and movement since Zolo attacked predominantly with short-ranged attacks.
Luffy in G2 used far more ranged attacks than Zolo with his jet pistols, jet stamp, etc. yet Rob Lucci continued using Geppo regardless.
They aren't, in fact Jyabura's torso is actually wider and larger than Kaku's
Jyabura's Upper Torso > Kaku's upper torso it is what it is, look at the panels
He didn't use it for combat in that instance, he used it once to retrieve some random item. Compare that to when he was in base form and was using it constantly for combat in that small little bout, then never again when he entered Hybrid. That's an obvious demonstration of the movement-for-power/range trade-off Kaku made when he entered his DF.
And that's what should be recognized here.
Kaku's DF is not a straight all-round stat boost like Jyabura's and Lucci's is.
He doesn't just get a stronger body and stronger limbs, he gets a massive neck that nearly DOUBLES his size.
Obviously, that neck comes at a trade-off of being making him more disproportionate and heavier thus less mobile which is why he goes from using Geppo routinely to not using it whatsoever for combat.
Yes, exactly. He gains more reach in his Hybrid which further adds to this notion of him being a ranged fighter which by default means he does not need Geppo or lots of movement to dominate.
Not saying it doesn't have penetrative force but even a monkey can figure out that stepping on a sharp needle is going to penetrate his skin more than stepping on a giant boulder.
Conclusion:
When Kaku enters DF form, unlike Jyabura and Lucci, he doesn't just gain a physical stat boost, he also gains a neck that doubles his body's total length, adding extra weight/range in exchange for less movement. We can see this obvious exchange, because he moves far less and doesn't use Geppo for combat whatsoever in Hybrid.
Please, recognize this obvious portrayal and quit acting like Kaku's DF is some all-round stat booster like Jyabura's and Lucci's is. It's not, it's different from their fruits thus it has strengths (range, neck-power/utility) and weaknesses (worse agility). Kaku transforming doesn't solve one issue without creating another, thus we should judge his Hybrid form in it's default state where his neck is out and elongated.
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Cap. Used geppo in base. Had zero affect. Got longer in hybrid couldn't use it because of his height. Retracted his long kneck and the room was cut giving him more space he used it again to retrieve weapons. Didn't spam geppo because again it's redundant since as you confirmed he got more range and geppo added no benefits against an opponent who already has range.
No where did kaku stop using geppo because of lackiness. Already proved his arms even skinny had the strength to support his entire body. Legs being even stronger than arms in real life dictates it would be the same using geppo.
Torso example is piss poor since I can find a pic showing the size comparison of their torso in comparison to their opponents. And I will reiterate this again. His TORSO INCREASES WHEN HE RETRACTS HIS KNECK. ALL YOU DO IS SHOW EXAMPLES OF HIM WITH HIS LONG KNECK. No panels with him with it retracted. Hmm I wonder why.
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He went from using Geppo in Base, to not using Geppo in Hybrid. He went from moving around very often in Base form, to moving around very little and staying stationed from mid-long range in Hybrid.
This obvious change-up in fighting style is proof of the trade-off Kaku experiences the moment he enters Hybrid. More power, more durability, more range in exchange for less movement, agility and worse Geppo.
He used it for COMBAT in Base. He didn't use it for combat in Hybrid.
Bullcrap on Zolo's "range" being Kaku's reasoning for lack of Geppo and movement since Zolo attacked predominantly with short-ranged attacks.
Luffy in G2 used far more ranged attacks than Zolo with his jet pistols, jet stamp, etc. yet Rob Lucci continued using Geppo regardless.
They aren't, in fact Jyabura's torso is actually wider and larger than Kaku's
Jyabura's Upper Torso > Kaku's upper torso it is what it is, look at the panels
He didn't use it for combat in that instance, he used it once to retrieve some random item. Compare that to when he was in base form and was using it constantly for combat in that small little bout, then never again when he entered Hybrid. That's an obvious demonstration of the movement-for-power/range trade-off Kaku made when he entered his DF.
And that's what should be recognized here.
Kaku's DF is not a straight all-round stat boost like Jyabura's and Lucci's is.
He doesn't just get a stronger body and stronger limbs, he gets a massive neck that nearly DOUBLES his size.
Obviously, that neck comes at a trade-off of being making him more disproportionate and heavier thus less mobile which is why he goes from using Geppo routinely to not using it whatsoever for combat.
Yes, exactly. He gains more reach in his Hybrid which further adds to this notion of him being a ranged fighter which by default means he does not need Geppo or lots of movement to dominate.
Not saying it doesn't have penetrative force but even a monkey can figure out that stepping on a sharp needle is going to penetrate his skin more than stepping on a giant boulder.
Conclusion:
When Kaku enters DF form, unlike Jyabura and Lucci, he doesn't just gain a physical stat boost, he also gains a neck that doubles his body's total length, adding extra weight/range in exchange for less movement. We can see this obvious exchange, because he moves far less and doesn't use Geppo for combat whatsoever in Hybrid.
Please, recognize this obvious portrayal and quit acting like Kaku's DF is some all-round stat booster like Jyabura's and Lucci's is. It's not, it's different from their fruits thus it has strengths (range, neck-power/utility) and weaknesses (worse agility). Kaku transforming doesn't solve one issue without creating another, thus we should judge his Hybrid form in it's default state where his neck is out and elongated.
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Kaku's nose "shigan" isn't a shigan at all because it's a blunt-force attack whereas normal shigans are sharp.
This obvious change-up in fighting style is proof of the trade-off Kaku experiences the moment he enters Hybrid. More power, more durability, more range in exchange for less movement, agility and worse Geppo.
He used it for COMBAT in Base. He didn't use it for combat in Hybrid.
Bullcrap on Zolo's "range" being Kaku's reasoning for lack of Geppo and movement since Zolo attacked predominantly with short-ranged attacks.
Luffy in G2 used far more ranged attacks than Zolo with his jet pistols, jet stamp, etc. yet Rob Lucci continued using Geppo regardless.
They aren't, in fact Jyabura's torso is actually wider and larger than Kaku's
Jyabura's Upper Torso > Kaku's upper torso it is what it is, look at the panels
He didn't use it for combat in that instance, he used it once to retrieve some random item. Compare that to when he was in base form and was using it constantly for combat in that small little bout, then never again when he entered Hybrid. That's an obvious demonstration of the movement-for-power/range trade-off Kaku made when he entered his DF.
And that's what should be recognized here.
Kaku's DF is not a straight all-round stat boost like Jyabura's and Lucci's is.
He doesn't just get a stronger body and stronger limbs, he gets a massive neck that nearly DOUBLES his size.
Obviously, that neck comes at a trade-off of being making him more disproportionate and heavier thus less mobile which is why he goes from using Geppo routinely to not using it whatsoever for combat.
Yes, exactly. He gains more reach in his Hybrid which further adds to this notion of him being a ranged fighter which by default means he does not need Geppo or lots of movement to dominate.
Not saying it doesn't have penetrative force but even a monkey can figure out that stepping on a sharp needle is going to penetrate his skin more than stepping on a giant boulder.
Conclusion:
When Kaku enters DF form, unlike Jyabura and Lucci, he doesn't just gain a physical stat boost, he also gains a neck that doubles his body's total length, adding extra weight/range in exchange for less movement. We can see this obvious exchange, because he moves far less and doesn't use Geppo for combat whatsoever in Hybrid.
Please, recognize this obvious portrayal and quit acting like Kaku's DF is some all-round stat booster like Jyabura's and Lucci's is. It's not, it's different from their fruits thus it has strengths (range, neck-power/utility) and weaknesses (worse agility). Kaku transforming doesn't solve one issue without creating another, thus we should judge his Hybrid form in it's default state where his neck is out and elongated.
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Kaku's nose "shigan" isn't a shigan at all because it's a blunt-force attack whereas normal shigans are sharp.
Kaku replicates this same feat by using his nose. That produces so much volume in mass upon striking by retracting and then shoting his kneck towards the opponent that it fires like an actual canon which is able to penertrate even concrete.
Stucy uses an air compressed shigan that she can fire from long range from a distance similar to Lucci which is considered sharp. Other than that shigan is typically normally blunt. Which is why it's only affective against luffy if it becomes sharper than a bullet from a pistol/gun. Hence why again in zoan form the shigans of Lucci was so damn sharp. Cuz he had claws
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Yes, Shigan is sharp. Kaku's nose, relative to the sharp & precise tip of a claw, is obviously not sharp it is flat...
And because it is flat, it's not going to poke holes in a human, which is the whole point of Shigan as it's used...
The fact that you can even make such a baffling comparison is, well, baffling. May as well be judging the force of a drill based on the weight behind a punch.
It's not that Geppo had no effect, it's that the weight behind Kaku's attack had zero effect since he is much smaller and lighter, thus weaker in base.
But he used it to retrieve his swords.
If he could use it to retrieve his weapons, why couldn't he use it for combat?
As you said he could have remained with his neck retracted and used Geppo that way but obviously did not.
In other words, he wasn't good enough at Geppo to use it in a way that would allow him to fight, got it.
BS about Zolo having range he was short-ranged for the majority of the fight including when he used Asura.
Luffy had far more range than Zolo, all of his G2 attacks are ranged yet Lucci consistantly used Geppo.
He stopped using it because in Hybrid, he relies on mid-long range, not close range thus his Rankyaku prowess goes up and his Geppo prowess goes down. Fighting in close-range is a hinderance due to his long limbs that is why he had to keep pressuring Zolo at a mid-range where Zolo isn't too close.
Yes, when his *neck (not "kneck") is contorted in, his durability is higher than Jabura's.
But then, he loses his neck and nose which means his attack-power is below Jabura's since 80% of Kaku's offense comes from his neck & nose, including his Sky Slicer which relies on his neck.
At the end of the day, just think of it like this.
A Giraffe attacks by using their long legs to kick away predators who come near.
A Wolf (and Leopard) attack by pouncing to come near to their prey.
Jyabura uses Geppo/Movement in 90% of his moves, Kaku uses Rankyaku/Stationed in 90% of his moves.
Sanji uses Skywalk, Zolo uses Rankyaku.
And because it is flat, it's not going to poke holes in a human, which is the whole point of Shigan as it's used...
The fact that you can even make such a baffling comparison is, well, baffling. May as well be judging the force of a drill based on the weight behind a punch.
It's not that Geppo had no effect, it's that the weight behind Kaku's attack had zero effect since he is much smaller and lighter, thus weaker in base.
But he used it to retrieve his swords.
If he could use it to retrieve his weapons, why couldn't he use it for combat?
As you said he could have remained with his neck retracted and used Geppo that way but obviously did not.
In other words, he wasn't good enough at Geppo to use it in a way that would allow him to fight, got it.
BS about Zolo having range he was short-ranged for the majority of the fight including when he used Asura.
Luffy had far more range than Zolo, all of his G2 attacks are ranged yet Lucci consistantly used Geppo.
He stopped using it because in Hybrid, he relies on mid-long range, not close range thus his Rankyaku prowess goes up and his Geppo prowess goes down. Fighting in close-range is a hinderance due to his long limbs that is why he had to keep pressuring Zolo at a mid-range where Zolo isn't too close.
Yes, when his *neck (not "kneck") is contorted in, his durability is higher than Jabura's.
But then, he loses his neck and nose which means his attack-power is below Jabura's since 80% of Kaku's offense comes from his neck & nose, including his Sky Slicer which relies on his neck.
At the end of the day, just think of it like this.
A Giraffe attacks by using their long legs to kick away predators who come near.
A Wolf (and Leopard) attack by pouncing to come near to their prey.
Jyabura uses Geppo/Movement in 90% of his moves, Kaku uses Rankyaku/Stationed in 90% of his moves.
Sanji uses Skywalk, Zolo uses Rankyaku.
Last time I checked penertrating concrete requires more sharpness than penertratkng flesh. Infact thats bullshit on your part since in the onepiece verse a swordsman being able to cut even steal means his swords and swordship was able to allow him to cut something more durable than flesh hence that swordsmans blade being dubbed as sharp. So carry one smartly.
Stationed? Cap. Already showed you the definition of what stationary means. Already debunked your geppo argument quite resoundingly. Jyubra had more space to manuever because of a bigger room and his opponent had zero range in attack so he capitalize on geppo because jyubras own ranged techniques sucked lol..
Stopped relying on close range yet used both swords and storm legs in conjuction simultaneously which he showed no feats in doing in base. So carry on smartly.
Geppo had zero affect because he couldnt out maneuver someone who had range. And like you stated he had no force behind his hits. So he went Hybrid used his bigger body and mass to do damage. Then increased his legs and arms thus increasing his effectiveness in close quarters combat as well as actually close quarters attacking range. None of what he showed in base. He then used his ability to retract and expand his kneck in conjuction with increases his movement speed with increasing legs length in conjuction with sword play.
So in your head kaku in Hybrid is slower than base or jyubra even though zoro out maneuvered base kaku who was spamming geppo. The same zoro was keeping quite easily with kakus soru in base. However the moment he went Hybrid he was able to parry and block zoro shishi soson with one close range storm leg (this was before he even increased his speed by increasing his legs and arms or using swords in hybrid). And setup zoro by making zoro think that his kneck was a weakness only to retract it and then fire it at high-speed? And against later used his own speed to outmaneuver the same zoro who was doing fine against his base forms speed. Yet in your mind you are trying to convey Kaku got slower (already debunked) and that his lanky legs stopped him from using geppo effectively (also already debunked)?