General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Searching for a role for Yamao on the straw hat crew is like searching for wings on a shark. One won't ever need to fly, so why would God give it wings?
For every single straw hat, shortly after their introduction it's either explicitly stated or we get some sort of hint at what they can do. Some of them were more obscure like Robin and Franky in that the role wasn't immediately obvious, or Franky's shipwright skills were disguised under the profession of a dismantler. But the skills were always there all the same. Even Jinbe was foreshadowed as a helmsman from all the way back at Impel Down. 40 chapters in and we don't even have the slightest clue at Yamao's potential role. Yet Carrot from the very first panel she appears in the series...
Oda doesn't just do things like this for no reason. Jinbe helmed a ship a single time, hundreds of chapters before he joined the crew and that was supposed to be the clue, yet here we are. There's a reason no one brings up ridiculous roles on the tiers of "the ship's Oden" or "28 year old cabin boy" for Carrot.
Meanwhile Yamao's role as a captain/leader and protector has repeatedly been brought up in the manga yet those are being ignored to force her somewhere which she does not belong.
For every single straw hat, shortly after their introduction it's either explicitly stated or we get some sort of hint at what they can do. Some of them were more obscure like Robin and Franky in that the role wasn't immediately obvious, or Franky's shipwright skills were disguised under the profession of a dismantler. But the skills were always there all the same. Even Jinbe was foreshadowed as a helmsman from all the way back at Impel Down. 40 chapters in and we don't even have the slightest clue at Yamao's potential role. Yet Carrot from the very first panel she appears in the series...
Meanwhile Yamao's role as a captain/leader and protector has repeatedly been brought up in the manga yet those are being ignored to force her somewhere which she does not belong.
It's also a bit early to say that Oda doesn't have a role for Yamato as a Straw Hat since they are in the middle of a war right now so there is no good opportunity to show it right now. The Wano arc isn't finished so there is still a lot of opportunity for it to happen.
More important factors of whether a Straw Hat will join come before their potential role: like Luffy having a one on one interaction with the potential Straw Hat, Luffy resolving their dilemma in their own character focused arc, and also having every straw hat knowing Luffy's pain of losing Ace.
These are the 3 things that have happened to every straw hat that joined, has already happened to Yamato, that has still yet to happen to Carrot, in spite of how long ago she was introduced.
Yamato is a main character in the Wano Arc, Carrot hasn't been a main character in any of the arcs she's appeared in.
A crew members personal qualities are more important than the role they take on a ship, because it helps define their character in the story. And the arc they join is usually the best and sometimes only chance where Oda can showcase this.
Roles are more of a check off list that doesn't even happen in sequential order.
I want to try and outline the cases for Carrot and Yamato the way I see it.
Lookout is fine for a role for Carrot. Franky was the helmsman before Jinbei joined, so I don't see how other characters doing that duty is a problem. As far as Yamato, she was introduced during the raid and it's been fighting and plot exposition even since. She could very easily have a role defined later, but she doesn't have one now.
As far as dreams, they both seem to have the exact same one, so it's not really a point for or against either of them.
From a relationship with the Strawhats perspective, Carrot clearly has a good relationship with Chopper, a lot of the other strawhats know her and Luffy at least knows her name. I don't think she really needs any more to qualify, but it's certainly not a strong point like with Jinbei. Yamato is pretty much unknown, but again, she was introduced during the raid, and it looks like she is going to bond with Luffy very soon once he comes back to take over for her against Kaido. It's not an area where she has enough development to be a Strawhat yet, but it can still be developed since she was recently introduced and has a prime opportunity coming up.
At this point Carrot has a huge lead just because her points are established while Yamato's are up in the air, but it is subject to reconsideration as we see more of Yamato.
Now the plot/formula perspective is where Yamato takes the lead. Carrot fits all the other parts better, but she falls very short here.
No arc centered around her, no personal villain or major struggle resolved by Luffy, no major backstory, no "Luffy is the man who will become the pirate king" or some equivalent moment.
The pirate king moment can still happen and really isn't a problem due to how easy it would be to put in, but I think the others are long past the point of being reasonable to expect. Zou should have been her big arc, or WCI, but they weren't, and she has had very little spotlight in Wano. Her only personal villains are Peros and Jack, and they seem to be being taken down by Inu and Neko. Finally, it seems her backstory was the short one with Pedro, which is far too short for a Strawhat.
Yamato doesn't have all of them checked off either, but she is in a better position to do them. She had her pirate king (equivalent) moment just recently when she confronted Kaido. She has her big story arc going on right now. Her personal villain is obviously Kaido, who Luffy is positioned to defeat. The backstory isn't checked off, but could easily still happen.
As far as miscellaneous things, they both have points in their favor.
Carrot has a unique Su long form that is completely different from the other minks including the dukes.
Carrot has traveled with the Strawhats for two storyarcs, and is often grouped with them, though not always. She is never grouped with the other Minks.
Yamato has already declared her intention to join the crew twice.
Yamato has a strong connection to Ace.
If we pretty much put the miscellaneous things as equivalent, which is debatable, and we assume that whoever joins will complete the strawhat checklist, then it basically comes down to which of these scenarios is more likely.
1. Carrot gets a pirate king moment, Carrot gets a character centric arc, Carrot gets a bigger flashback, either Luffy defeats Perospero or Jack or Carrot is revealed to have another unknown personal villain.
2. Yamato is revealed later to have a specific role, Yamato bonds with Luffy significantly more than she already has, Luffy learns Yamato's name, Yamato gets a tragic backstory flashback, and Luffy defeats Kaido.
Personally I think scenario 2 is much more likely. I'm a fan of both characters, and ideally I would like both to join, but I'm trying to make an objective analysis of the two.
Side note- as far as Carrot's character centric arc, it doesn't have to be the same arc she joins in. Nami and Robin had their arcs after they joined, and Jinbei didn't join until several arcs after his.
Another side note- As I wrote this all out I realized that Law fits the Strawhat checklist significantly better than either of them. He has other things going against him but make of that what you will.
Lookout is fine for a role for Carrot. Franky was the helmsman before Jinbei joined, so I don't see how other characters doing that duty is a problem. As far as Yamato, she was introduced during the raid and it's been fighting and plot exposition even since. She could very easily have a role defined later, but she doesn't have one now.
As far as dreams, they both seem to have the exact same one, so it's not really a point for or against either of them.
From a relationship with the Strawhats perspective, Carrot clearly has a good relationship with Chopper, a lot of the other strawhats know her and Luffy at least knows her name. I don't think she really needs any more to qualify, but it's certainly not a strong point like with Jinbei. Yamato is pretty much unknown, but again, she was introduced during the raid, and it looks like she is going to bond with Luffy very soon once he comes back to take over for her against Kaido. It's not an area where she has enough development to be a Strawhat yet, but it can still be developed since she was recently introduced and has a prime opportunity coming up.
At this point Carrot has a huge lead just because her points are established while Yamato's are up in the air, but it is subject to reconsideration as we see more of Yamato.
Now the plot/formula perspective is where Yamato takes the lead. Carrot fits all the other parts better, but she falls very short here.
No arc centered around her, no personal villain or major struggle resolved by Luffy, no major backstory, no "Luffy is the man who will become the pirate king" or some equivalent moment.
The pirate king moment can still happen and really isn't a problem due to how easy it would be to put in, but I think the others are long past the point of being reasonable to expect. Zou should have been her big arc, or WCI, but they weren't, and she has had very little spotlight in Wano. Her only personal villains are Peros and Jack, and they seem to be being taken down by Inu and Neko. Finally, it seems her backstory was the short one with Pedro, which is far too short for a Strawhat.
Yamato doesn't have all of them checked off either, but she is in a better position to do them. She had her pirate king (equivalent) moment just recently when she confronted Kaido. She has her big story arc going on right now. Her personal villain is obviously Kaido, who Luffy is positioned to defeat. The backstory isn't checked off, but could easily still happen.
As far as miscellaneous things, they both have points in their favor.
Carrot has a unique Su long form that is completely different from the other minks including the dukes.
Carrot has traveled with the Strawhats for two storyarcs, and is often grouped with them, though not always. She is never grouped with the other Minks.
Yamato has already declared her intention to join the crew twice.
Yamato has a strong connection to Ace.
If we pretty much put the miscellaneous things as equivalent, which is debatable, and we assume that whoever joins will complete the strawhat checklist, then it basically comes down to which of these scenarios is more likely.
1. Carrot gets a pirate king moment, Carrot gets a character centric arc, Carrot gets a bigger flashback, either Luffy defeats Perospero or Jack or Carrot is revealed to have another unknown personal villain.
2. Yamato is revealed later to have a specific role, Yamato bonds with Luffy significantly more than she already has, Luffy learns Yamato's name, Yamato gets a tragic backstory flashback, and Luffy defeats Kaido.
Personally I think scenario 2 is much more likely. I'm a fan of both characters, and ideally I would like both to join, but I'm trying to make an objective analysis of the two.
Side note- as far as Carrot's character centric arc, it doesn't have to be the same arc she joins in. Nami and Robin had their arcs after they joined, and Jinbei didn't join until several arcs after his.
Another side note- As I wrote this all out I realized that Law fits the Strawhat checklist significantly better than either of them. He has other things going against him but make of that what you will.
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Nami and Robin were both central part of the arcs they were introduced in. Carrot was just another side character in WCI.
also want to add that while both essentially have the same dream, Carrot’s backstory and reasoning has been established and it’s really weak. Yamato on the other hand hasn’t and Oda has a chance to actually work on developing a backstory explaining why Yamato is the way she is
also want to add that while both essentially have the same dream, Carrot’s backstory and reasoning has been established and it’s really weak. Yamato on the other hand hasn’t and Oda has a chance to actually work on developing a backstory explaining why Yamato is the way she is
You're missing the part where Franky didn't ride the ship on a tsunami like it was a surfboard and only Jinbei can do that. Carrot would need to be extra special lookout to fill the requisite, having someone who can fly and scout ahead or an ability like Perona or Viola that can see great distances before they come in normal sight.. Carrot is a average lookout, its not fine for the pirate King crew.
Superficial bonding is not a qualification, meaningful ones are.. She's far from that
Superficial bonding is not a qualification, meaningful ones are.. She's far from that
Not when it was mentioned that he was the son of Yasopp on Shanks crew, he was also central to syrup village arc.
His first Canon shot on the merry, he hit that rock far away bulleyes he was even surprised himself..
They both humanoid talking animals, its like Nami befriending every females just because. Its superficial as it can get
His first Canon shot on the merry, he hit that rock far away bulleyes he was even surprised himself..
They both humanoid talking animals, its like Nami befriending every females just because. Its superficial as it can get
I'll look that up. I never watched any filler, but since it's considered cannon it might change my mind. Still, when was it, because I'm talking about the arc where they joined.
Being the son of a top tier sharpshooter =\= being a good sharpshooter yourself. Also being central to a storyarc =\= being a good sharpshooter. Shooting that rock is about my definition of average. That daddy the father thing might convince me but not these.
Being the son of a top tier sharpshooter =\= being a good sharpshooter yourself. Also being central to a storyarc =\= being a good sharpshooter. Shooting that rock is about my definition of average. That daddy the father thing might convince me but not these.
Yeah but he still showed his skill in Arlong park when he defeated chu (and saved the village from the fishman) as well as in strip village when he took down Django with a great shot.
However that’s more just him as a determined and tricky fighter he didn’t become more of a sharpshooter until Loguetown
However that’s more just him as a determined and tricky fighter he didn’t become more of a sharpshooter until Loguetown
He called himself an expert.. The shooter of the future pirate King crew, whos father is on Shanks crew another Yonko..
Also toward Chopper and Carrot, just for your information Shinobu used the same word talking of herself in relation to Kinemon.. It doesn't mean literally little sister.
Also toward Chopper and Carrot, just for your information Shinobu used the same word talking of herself in relation to Kinemon.. It doesn't mean literally little sister.
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If the anime is Canon:
-Carrot has a scene where she ASKS Luffy to sail with them praising the ENTIRE crew.
-Luffy never answered so she came as a "surprise" getting on board without a yes btw.
-Has a filler arc for her +Luffy +Nami ( And I think Chopper too) Literally a filler with her "trio" xD
-Toei always put her on the same status as the crew, but because of not being an official member, isn't on the main titles etc
Toei is literally putting her as a SH always, since almost her appearance ...
-Carrot has a scene where she ASKS Luffy to sail with them praising the ENTIRE crew.
-Luffy never answered so she came as a "surprise" getting on board without a yes btw.
-Has a filler arc for her +Luffy +Nami ( And I think Chopper too) Literally a filler with her "trio" xD
-Toei always put her on the same status as the crew, but because of not being an official member, isn't on the main titles etc
Toei is literally putting her as a SH always, since almost her appearance ...
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