News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread
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Yeah, as you said, FengHuang and Phoenix are two different creatures but they are arguably one of, if not the most blended mythical beasts by Japanese pop culture; Ho-oh from Pokémon and Hououmon from Digimon are the two best examples of this phenomenon, as both clearly represent the Japanese version of FengHuang but acquired traits from the Western phoenix (stressed fire properties, regeneration and coming back from death).
As silly as this may sound, this is a debate I've had from time to time regarding Marco as people would argue his fruit isn't based on an Eastern creature in spite of the obvious references to FengHuang/Hoho (the tail as you mentioned, the color scheme, his role as a pheasant/rooster in that zodiac Color Spread, pretty much all of his techniques...). So I assume Oda is just one more author following that modern syncretism that merged both mythical birds.
フェニックス is, I assume after checking, the Japanese way of writing "phoenix" (fenikkusu) as the word used to name the Western bird.
As silly as this may sound, this is a debate I've had from time to time regarding Marco as people would argue his fruit isn't based on an Eastern creature in spite of the obvious references to FengHuang/Hoho (the tail as you mentioned, the color scheme, his role as a pheasant/rooster in that zodiac Color Spread, pretty much all of his techniques...). So I assume Oda is just one more author following that modern syncretism that merged both mythical birds.
フェニックス is, I assume after checking, the Japanese way of writing "phoenix" (fenikkusu) as the word used to name the Western bird.
Golden, apparently the color that leaked/went out of the clash (CLASH) between ODEN and WB PRIME, color of the supreme HAKI.
In something similar we have the PURPLE COLOR for KAIDO.
In something similar we have the PURPLE COLOR for KAIDO.
But is this from Whitebeard Prime?
As ODEN didn't seem to know ADCOC when he confronted WHITE BEARD on the beach, he was surprised and apparently not knows how to apply ADCOC, after witnessing a CLASH, CLASH between WB and Roger, “They don't even touch. "
But the golden rays of the WB, or ODEN, appeared when it collided with ODEN in a similar way to Roger's strike, there was physical contact.
Which makes me curious about this CLASH.
It's a much stronger ODEN than this:
In something similar we have the PURPLE COLOR for KAIDO.
But is this from Whitebeard Prime?
As ODEN didn't seem to know ADCOC when he confronted WHITE BEARD on the beach, he was surprised and apparently not knows how to apply ADCOC, after witnessing a CLASH, CLASH between WB and Roger, “They don't even touch. "
But the golden rays of the WB, or ODEN, appeared when it collided with ODEN in a similar way to Roger's strike, there was physical contact.
Which makes me curious about this CLASH.
It's a much stronger ODEN than this:
His attacks had the black CoC streak like other top tiers. Not mastery on their level but he started using it consciously.
There's no black lightning coming from his blade. Tell me one reason for it if not this. He didn't have CoC mastery like Luffy, Roger, WB, Kaido and BM. I mean, it's pretty obvious.
Just like how Zoro used it unconsciously at his limit without even knowing that he had CoC, lol.
There's no black lightning coming from his blade. Tell me one reason for it if not this. He didn't have CoC mastery like Luffy, Roger, WB, Kaido and BM. I mean, it's pretty obvious.
Just like how Zoro used it unconsciously at his limit without even knowing that he had CoC, lol.
Your point was that having black streak = mastering so Luffy mastered and Oden didn't...which is obviously false.
The fact that Luffy had black streak yet didn't master should already show you that black streak is not a prerequisite
It's obvious you are wrong. Black streak does not = mastery
Nice try conflating the two.
Oden spoke about his limit to his wife not in a fight. Oden never expressed his limitations in the fight.
Oden's statement = I can never get any stronger
Zoro was at his limit in ability in the actual fight
Zoro's statement = this is all I can do at this time
The fact that Luffy had black streak yet didn't master should already show you that black streak is not a prerequisite
It's obvious you are wrong. Black streak does not = mastery
Nice try conflating the two.
Oden spoke about his limit to his wife not in a fight. Oden never expressed his limitations in the fight.
Oden's statement = I can never get any stronger
Zoro was at his limit in ability in the actual fight
Zoro's statement = this is all I can do at this time
But don't you think that there's enough evidence to say that it could mean having the ability to use it consciously? I mean, Zoro unconsciously used it to scar him and he too didn't have the black lightning coming from his blade, same as Oden. Whatever it is though, it'll probably be cleared in the near future.
For me , the whole black lightning arguments do not hold weight. The very fact that black lightning can even occur with COA is enough support for it.
With Oden's hype and his own statement, it is unlikely that he couldn't consciously coat his attacks in COC. The very fact that he scarred Kaido when he wasn't at his limit like Zoro proves enough
With Oden's hype and his own statement, it is unlikely that he couldn't consciously coat his attacks in COC. The very fact that he scarred Kaido when he wasn't at his limit like Zoro proves enough
But I'm not talking about that lightning, I'm talking about the one which comes off from the weapon (Or in Luffy's case, the hand) itself. It's pretty different from CoA lightning and the lightening the forms as an effect of the CoC clash. The latter 2 are pretty confusing, yes.
It's only his hype because of which people think that he could use it consciously. Other than that nothing proves it. No direct implication or anything.
Maybe not at his limit but he was still pretty desperate to save his country. I don't personally think not being at his limit is a counter-point but it's your opinion so okay.
It's only his hype because of which people think that he could use it consciously. Other than that nothing proves it. No direct implication or anything.
Maybe not at his limit but he was still pretty desperate to save his country. I don't personally think not being at his limit is a counter-point but it's your opinion so okay.