News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread
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The thing is that he actually defeat them(yeah yeah even though with the gas weapon but still) and almost kill them off.
Everything start with Doffy defeat, Jack need to leave the place and fight a fucking Admiral +Ex fleet admiral+other soldiers to save Doffy dumb ass.
If Doffy wouldn't get defeated,Jack would actually take the W here.
And he take out most of them with is again a W, dude get put in the most dangerous missions and yet he was shown as beast.
I hope he winning against at least sulong Inu with his hybrid/awakening to show that he is not a pushover for them.
Everything start with Doffy defeat, Jack need to leave the place and fight a fucking Admiral +Ex fleet admiral+other soldiers to save Doffy dumb ass.
If Doffy wouldn't get defeated,Jack would actually take the W here.
And he take out most of them with is again a W, dude get put in the most dangerous missions and yet he was shown as beast.
I hope he winning against at least sulong Inu with his hybrid/awakening to show that he is not a pushover for them.
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To climb the doflamingo you need to look at JACK, BASE luffy in his DR version, can Luffy beat JACK? I would say no, If this is a NO it would put JACK in the same situation as Doffy, luffy would need to use G4 to defeat JACK, the question is: can JACK withstand the hits of G4 Luffy version DR?, with Basic COA and Basic CoO? How he would fare is the question. But JACK is facing opponents with very powerful ACOA capable of even superficially wounding KAIDO, INUARASHI for example in what was said on his CARD, so that makes JACK even more special than Luffy versus Doffy with basic COA in G4.
@EtenBoby ,@ScotchInformer , any news on Karasu DF?
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Neko does not have ACOA, but the basic "Ryou" which even Boa Sisters had. The Internal Destruction Luffy learned is different from the ones Samurai like Hyo were using.
All out Luffy in Gear 2/3, has Elephant Gatling Gun and Red Roc
Red Roc is easily Gear 4 level, even without the new Haki.
All out Luffy in Gear 2/3, has Elephant Gatling Gun and Red Roc
Red Roc is easily Gear 4 level, even without the new Haki.
This is a Luffy after WCI and in the other photo is a Luffy after UDON training, both different from his DR version.
We're talking about DR Luffy's VERSION, who won DOFLAMINGO.
Also, there is no basic "ACOA" we are talking about offensive power and ability to bypass durability, which not even KATAKURI and DOFLAMINGO had the famous BASIC "ACOA" you mentioned.
INUARASHI has such a good ACOA that he was able to injure KAIDO according to his CARD, this can be said for the others, sheaths and for the NEKO.
In the first case of Luffy G3, KAIDO was totally drunk and bumping into things even after returning to his human form the manga and anime retracted KAIDO staggering, so Luffy managed to throw him like that in G3 because of this factor, in the second image KAIDO thought that Luffy's strength would be the same as the G4 he won before UDON, a G4 that didn't know how to do in KAIDO and I say more G4 was only able to make KAIDO fall because he was drunk and staggering, we saw a sober KAIDO in 1001 versus a physically stronger G4, and didn't knock him down or even push him back three feet, KAIDO took the hits without a hitch.
So, based on his previous fight, he didn't make as much effort as possible to contain Luffy's attack, the "NEW" ATTACK.
Kaido in 1001 recognizes that Luffy has grown stronger and makes a physical effort to contain his future attack.
Luffy with his DR version doesn't have the mentioned technique where he "knocked down" kaido who underestimated him.
So I don't see JACK being defeated and the strength of his elephant punches could potentially have been increased after EXTREME DIFF with KATA.
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By your logic Kinemon > Luffy. Kinemon matched Inu's strongest attack. Are you trolling or what? Fucking Kiku could pierce Kaido. That has nothing to do with overall combat level.
Read what I said. Red Roc even without the new CoA, is Gear 4 level attack. Luffy doesn't need Gear 4, because Gear 3 strongest attacks can do as much damage as G4 attacks (with the exception of KKG level ones).
Inu's CoA is no stronger than Kinemon. Stop this idiocy. Kin did the same shit. The guy is limping and he's going to kick Jack's ass in his base form. Even Kinemon was going to own Jack if Minks didn't interfere.
Read what I said. Red Roc even without the new CoA, is Gear 4 level attack. Luffy doesn't need Gear 4, because Gear 3 strongest attacks can do as much damage as G4 attacks (with the exception of KKG level ones).
Inu's CoA is no stronger than Kinemon. Stop this idiocy. Kin did the same shit. The guy is limping and he's going to kick Jack's ass in his base form. Even Kinemon was going to own Jack if Minks didn't interfere.
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You are completely wrong. Understand, possessing ACOA is better than not possessing, the punches Luffy used to defeat Doflamingo had basic COA, that basic COA didn't even scratch KAIDO. INU and NEKO, or even KINEMON do more damage to KAIDO than Luffy's version after WCI, even though they are physically weaker, do you understand the importance of ACOA? The strategy of the MAN who defeated Doflamingo with basic COA was to learn the "Ryou", to bypass KAIDO's durability in order to deal him relevant damage, but it turns out that this also failed, it only caused superficial damage to KAIDO.
If INURASHI tries to pierce DOFLAMINGO's basic protective COA he will get it with his ACOA because he already pierced something more durable while LUFFY's version in DR couldn't get past DOFLAMINGO's COA both COA were the same, if INU tries to pierce the KATAKURI's monstrous COA he's going to get because he has aptly ACOA for it. So JACK's feat of fighting two highly damaging enemies to him offensively is insane, more insane than Doflamingo versus Luffy with basic COA.
Not sure if G3 luffy DR version will be enough for JACK. Alias TOGEN TOTSUKA is killing DOFLAMINGO (the combined attack of the scabbards), in fact KINEMON doing a double attack with Denjirou, INU, ASHURA does not mean that their attack are at the same level, it served to leverage the attack even more, even if the of some are inferior to the others, but it turns out that the result was the same, shallow damage (superficial).
It amazes me to know that TOGEN TOTSUKA from INUARASHI dealt shallow damage to kaido while Luffy after WCI did 0 damage without ACOA and Luffy after UDON in G4 got the same treatment as INUARASHI and the others, superficial and shallow damage, so why Are you underestimating the attack of the sheaths? If even Luffy's big punches after WCI and rigorous physical training in UDON and got ACOA, had the same result, LOL.
And by the way JACK has an incredible feat, he wasn't knocked out by the monstrous TROMBA of ZUNHISHA, which is > Ap of the G4.
It is uncertain whether or not it was, because it was exactly conscious when we saw it underwater. @playa4321
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Jack not only got KOed by Zunisha, he was utterly destroyed along with his ship and crew. Not dying is differently from not getting KOed. Jack's skin is not Kaido's skin. All these comparisons are a waste of time. You don't need Ryou to hurt Jack.
Luffy will beat the "strongest creature" which includes Zunisha.
Luffy will beat the "strongest creature" which includes Zunisha.