Powers & Abilities Enma is a Power up.

[Man D Ingo]

Ok months I been seeing people say enma isn’t a power as a way to boost certain agendas but I’m going to go down the list on why it’s in fact a power and not just a “training tool” like many suggest.

1. Enma returns haki to the wielder. Many like to use the argument of “enma over using haki so therefore it’s a nerf.” But they forget the same way enma took Zoro’s haki, It also returns it which could be argued to be a powerup in haki reserves. Not only that it was stated that ichimonji played a part in Zoro’s success in controlling enma.

2. Zoro blatantly states that enma would make him much stronger which is by logic a “power up.”

3. Enma grants Zoro the ability to directly hurt Kaido. It’s even been times Kaido acknowledges the sword and it’s aura as being Odens. Further explaining from a flash back Kawamatsu makes a statemate about the souls of the previous owners of the blades still residing within them in battle. He then states that this makes the samurai’s stronger and specifically states that it’s still a battlefield with “still” being in bold letters.

Anyways thanks for reading…

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Of course it's huge power up. Zoro be channeling Odens haki through it.

 

[mrtsrdr]

Who said not powerup ?

 

[bennbeckman]

Of course it's huge power up. Zoro be channeling Odens haki through it.

Where in the manga does it say Zoro is using "Oden's Haki" Im dying to know

 

[Hanners220]

Hasn't this topic been discussed before?

 

[Date]

If course is, Zoro is stronger with Enma than he was with Shishu

 

[donkey]

Of course it's huge power up. Zoro be channeling Odens haki through it.

Zolo will absorb Odense Haki and become oden for skk to happen

 

[ConquistadoR]

I will not say that enma has not made Zoro stronger but this isnt an accurate description.

Enma returns haki to the wielder. Many like to use the argument of “enma over using haki so therefore it’s a nerf.” But they forget the same way enma took Zoro’s haki, It also returns it which could be argued to be a powerup in haki reserves

nothing of that sort was ever said. if anything it was only specified that enma draws the user's haki out more than what the user intends. handling it or "taming it" & regulating the amount of haki that's being put into each slash is a difficult process. there's a reason why no other swordsman could handle enma in the past, except kozuki oden ofcourse.

http://imgur.com/yhXTZmL

http://imgur.com/SE07CeD

2. Zoro blatantly states that enma would make him much stronger which is by logic a “power up.”

This is a false narrative spinned by taking a sentence out of context. Zoro said that by the time he is used to the process of taming and regulating the amount of haki he puts into it, he'll be stronger. He has never once said that by using this blade he becomes stronger. He has been refining his haki control and the regulation process as he was training with it.

Luffy has gotten stronger while fighting and training with seastone cuffs in Act 2. So technically it made him stronger, so is seastone cuff a powerup too?

http://imgur.com/yhXTZmL

Enma grants Zoro the ability to directly hurt Kaido. It’s even been times Kaido acknowledges the sword and it’s aura as being Odens.

Kaido also openly acknowledged that he felt Oden's Ryou when the scabbards pierced him. Oden never used any of their swords so how do you think that Oden's soul is living in their swords? Until the Oden's Ryou part is explained fully, please refrain from making random jumps in logic to justify your headcanon.

http://imgur.com/a/uotrjoG

Moreover, this is the explanation of Ryou that Hyogoro gave to Luffy. A swordsman channel's his own haki through his blade. So if anything , Zoro has been using his own haki on his swords in the war.

http://imgur.com/oQ14wAy

The way I see it, Enma is like a training wheel until Zoro manages to do the same haki control + regulation thing with his other swords. Sorta like how Luffy gets stronger by training with seastone cuffs. Even if enma is channeling his haki outside, it still is Zoro's haki.

 

[Paperchampion23]

It's literally not Odens Haki lol. Did none of you read chapter 955? The sword literally siphons Zoro's own haki from him.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Hasn't this topic been discussed before?

Yeah we have about one thread about it every month since Zoro started training with Enma. People are talking semantics now

 

[BangOO🍅]

The simple explanation is
Enma is a stronger sword than Shusui.

Idc ur argument, but its clearly a power up but Zoro still need a training.

 

[draganax]

didn't mihawk confirmed that all swords are the same, you infuse them with haki and they become black blade which is the highest form a sword can attain.
enma is not yet a black blade, and without zoro's haki control it's nothing but a parasite.
here's how i understand enma:

now words are very important here, zoro didn't say "tame" instead he said "get used to" which means that he already knew how to operate the sword, he just had to develop the muscle memory to eliminate the side effects, kind of like luffy's gear 2 and 3, it's just that zoro only took 2 days to achieve the feat.

 

[nik87]

This is how it is - on Oden, it wasnt a power-up, the sword literally did nothing in his hands.
In Zoro's hands, when he prevents haki sapping, the sword isnt doing anything and isnt a power-up.
When Zoro allows haki flow, the Enma grabs what it can and creates a haki "cloud" around itself - in that moment it is power-up.
However, that has only happened twice so far, during Hiryu Kaen and during Tatsumaki.
During Oni Giri and Asura, there was no cloud around Enma and nothing was powered up.

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

OP: "E-Enma a power-up you fools! Hehehe"
Me: "Okay, pre-Enma Zoro > Sanji and Enma Zoro >> Sanji"

 

[draganax]

When Zoro allows haki flow, the Enma grabs what it can and creates a haki "cloud" around itself - in that moment it is power-up.

i don't understand this, imo the fact that the cloud effect only happened when zoro use enma, means that zoro is special.

During Oni Giri and Asura, there was no cloud around Enma and nothing was powered up.

in asura enma did get the cloud effect, but in onigiri zoro simply put too much restraint on enma.

 

[mrtsrdr]

didn't mihawk confirmed that all swords are the same, you infuse them with haki and they become black blade which is the highest form a sword can attain.
enma is not yet a black blade, and without zoro's haki control it's nothing but a parasite.
here's how i understand enma:

now words are very important here, zoro didn't say "tame" instead he said "get used to" which means that he already knew how to operate the sword, he just had to develop the muscle memory to eliminate the side effects, kind of like luffy's gear 2 and 3, it's just that zoro only took 2 days to achieve the feat.

I think this definition of Mihawk is misunderstood. There is a difference in power between the swords in terms of curse or in some respects.
Mihawk has stated that making only a black sword is the highest level of a sword.
One of the most important features of Enma is that its owner can focus his haki on the sword which make Enma clearly power upgrade. There is no other way for Zoro to reveal so much haki than Enma. If you examine the chapter drawings carefully, you will see the great amount of haki surrounding Enma.
Moreover, Zoro wasn't a rookie swordsman when he took Enma. He is currently one of the top 5 swordsmen before Enma Zoro. To control Enma is not hard situation for Zoro.

 

[nik87]

i don't understand this, imo the fact that the cloud effect only happened when zoro use enma, means that zoro is special.

in asura enma did get the cloud effect, but in onigiri zoro simply put too much restraint on enma.

I dont know why the cloud didnt happen with Oden.
There was no cloud during Oni Giri since Zoro didnt release haki during it.

 

[KageFumi]

Another day, another ignorant reader. Great

 

[NAMELESS]

Enma is a power up after you master,current enma<shusui!Shushui is a black blade and is a superior grade!Enma is a lower grade sword and drains too much of Zoro's haki!Current Enma is actually a nerf!

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Where in the manga does it say Zoro is using "Oden's Haki" Im dying to know

Because Kaido mentioned Oden's presence in the sword,people think Zoro is pulling Oden's haki from a magical bag!

 

[Finalbeta]

Training tool

Zoro whilst attempting to tame Enma said: "Give it back to me" obviously referring to his general energy and also haki after his arm had shrunk in size. However I believe it's extensively unlikely that Enma is capable to permanently store these even if the user wished to, and eventually the energy would be converted to another form, and regardless Oden's arms were normal before he died.

Kaido talks about presence, not even haki, and swords are living objects canonically, eventually Enma simply stored his memories, but that has to be proven later on.

Also I believe that the black blade is decidedly not about storing haki in the sword, but eventually render it particularly hard without storing it, since Zoro failed to cut up Monet.