Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1021 Spoilers Discussion

[Jailer]

For sure thats why I bring that up. However Ulti and WsW have CoA while Page 1 never was shown to use it. Page 1 also has zero named moves. WsW should effectively be at the top since he did put up a moderate fight with Jinbe (and still might, we can't be sure yet). Same with Sasaki and Franky.

This ranking for sure changes if any of them get up again, especially Page 1.

All F6 have haki, you can bet on that much.

There's no ranking on the F6, they specialize on different things, you can't outright rank them it's pointless. They are on the same level.

 

[ConquistadoR]

How do you know? What exactly will Ulti do to her?

I am not sure why people try to even rank thr flyers anyway, they specialize in different things. Ulti aint stronger than Black Maria because of how Robin handled her, she would snap Ulti's neck in half too. Means nothing. There are different forms of damage.

do you think a (temporarily) armament haki less black maria is tanking a CoA clad headbutt from ulti which almost overpowered luffy's own headbutt?

ulti's better speed wise, agility wise, AP wise and regen wise.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Queen’s laser spam would literally one shot Sasaki or Black Maria.

So much for Vets~commanders.

 

[Paperchampion23]

id say a similar case can be made for who's who as well. he literally took a shoulder throw and onigawara seiken and he's down. that's all lol. i expect him to stand back up but if he doesnt, he's below ulti IMO

The difference is, Jinbe's AP is way higher than Robin's, we all know this.

 

[RecoomeBoom]

Oh c'mon, what a tease

 

[Zowo]

Queen’s laser spam would literally one shot Sasaki or Black Maria.

So much for Vets~commanders.

couldnt tag chopper with those shitty lasers

 

[Jailer]

robin aint snapping a neck clad with armament. her armament could contend with base luffy's if not overpower it.

Yes she will do exactly that. Luffy beat boa sisters who used advamced haki by that logic.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Honestly only reason why Who's Who is even in this debate of strongest Tobi Roppo is coz he fought Jinbe, he's pretty ass otherwise.
Not only does he have shit feats but he also isn't one the durable type dino users
Jinbe bodied this man whilst running away lol

 

[ConquistadoR]

There's no ranking on the F6, they specialize on different things, you can't outright rank them it's pointless. They are on the same level,

that's like saying daifuku and perospero and snack are on the same level. its not like that bro. there is an inherent ranking in the F6, when who's who and sasaki were relieved that drake isnt gunning for a calamity position. they didnt even consider page one competition. heck you can argue that black maria didnt even try to find yamato since she knew that she isnt strong enough to take yamato on.

 

[Jailer]

do you think a (temporarily) armament haki less black maria is tanking a CoA clad headbutt from ulti which almost overpowered luffy's own headbutt?

ulti's better speed wise, agility wise, AP wise and regen wise.

Or the mid tier straw hats are that strong, not hard to comprehend that. Nami/Usopp were too weak for Ulti

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Idk man, to me it just looks like shading, like he did with hakuba:

For example, 1018 shows the difference quite well with Jinbe and WsW's haki. CoA in general comes off very shiny looking:

In greyscale, unfortunately its just not that easy discern. But also thinking about it logically, CoA should increase hardness, not pure strength. I wouldn't expect Robin to even need to coat her whole body to clutch Black Maria. It shouldn't change her strength to clutch anyway.

You can also see what I mean here when you look at Robin herself. Half her face isn't even shaded when in that form :

There is a "shininess" to CoA, this shading and Hakuba lack it imo.

I think Robin used some kind of CoA IMO. Because previously Black Maria easily injured her arms, that’s why finally Robin uses haki to prevent Black Maria countering her again.

 

[ConquistadoR]

The difference is, Jinbe's AP is way higher than Robin's, we all know this.

yeah but getting one shotted? the last time someone got oneshotted by jinbe was that cream dude in WCI and moria at marineford

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

couldnt tag chopper with those shitty lasers

No not Black Coffee in his full Zoan form, I’m talking about laser barrage in his hybrid form.

Since a radical beam put down Sasaki, Queen can literally just tee off on him with laser spam and neg diff him.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Not Haki given it doesn't have shine to it on Haki as you see in face-up on Robin it's not Haki on her face and more fear of shading as no comment on her using Haki and more that she is scary there. It happens before when Oda doing shading to make character scary, but not Haki.

We not see everytime comments about haki.
In case I agree it isn't full body haki but you can clearly see her hands and foot where covered in hardening. Ofc we need the full orginal version but she literally make her other white hands black too.

 

[Jailer]

that's like saying daifuku and perospero and snack are on the same level. its not like that bro. there is an inherent ranking in the F6, when who's who and sasaki were relieved that drake isnt gunning for a calamity position. they didnt even consider page one competition. heck you can argue that black maria didnt even try to find yamato since she knew that she isnt strong enough to take yamato on.

Or she isn't stupid she knows she can't beat a calamity, WW and Sasaki are thirsty for a higher rank, not really an argument.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Or the mid tier straw hats are that strong, not hard to comprehend that. Nami/Usopp were too weak for Ulti

yeah i never said the strawhats are weak? i see robin winning against ulti eventually. but not like this.

there's no reason to bring strawhats here when we're just ranking ulti vs black maria tbf

 

[Paperchampion23]

Honestly only reason why Who's Who is even in this debate of strongest Tobi Roppo is coz he fought Jinbe, he's pretty ass otherwise.
Not only does he have shit feats but he also isn't one the durable type dino users
Jinbe bodied this man whilst running away lol

Just saying, but we can't even be sure him or Sasaki are down yet. They didn't receive proper transitions from their fights. Robin did and its clear she won. These 2 currently did not and if you go back and look, their fights end still with Jinbe and Franky angry/battle ready.

Idk, its just not clear yet.

 

[humanbeing]

Well Momo is gonna be turned into an adult , i don't see anyone denying it today :D

 

[Zolo]

A lot of asspuls this chapter Oda the Goda

 

[Paperchampion23]

yeah but getting one shotted? the last time someone got oneshotted by jinbe was that cream dude in WCI and moria at marineford

I don't even think he's down yet you are talking to the wrong person lol.