Questions & Mysteries Why Roger îs not a swordman

what we have seen from roger is swordmanship
We haven't seen "swordsmanship" from Roger. We have seen his weapon clashing with Whitebeard's weapon once. No swordspecific ability used. He used a named attack on Oden, yes, but that was rather a blast than a cut. Big Mom also used a named attack with her sword (spear of Elbaf) but the exact same named attack was used by a giant using an axe. So that named attack was not specific to swords.
 
Boy the link is full of NSFW ads, and I am at work! :ROFLMAO:

In any case, is this official translation? Because here basically Zoro mocking him and Zoro considers him a swordsman. Daz Bones doesn't though.
I got adblock, so did not know, sorry

Yep, it´s the official one.
I do not think that´s the interpretation of Zoro´s statement, but we can disagree.

Stephen also translated it as such:

Mr. 1: Likewise.
By the way, don't think of me as a "swordsman"...
I have an unlimited number of weapons I can use to cut you to shreds...!!!
"SPIRAL HOLLOW"

- Page 172 -

Zoro: So you're not a swordsman,
You're a "MINER"!!!

Mr. 1: I'M AN ASSASSIN.
 
We haven't seen "swordsmanship" from Roger. We have seen his weapon clashing with Whitebeard's weapon once. No swordspecific ability used. He used a named attack on Oden, yes, but that was rather a blast than a cut. Big Mom also used a named attack with her sword (spear of Elbaf) but the exact same named attack was used by a giant using an axe. So that named attack was not specific to swords.
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so wb weapon is a sword but the axe isnt
and somehow roger using his sword to attack wb isnt swordmanship. see there's a difference between swordmanhsip and sword specific ability. smh.
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roger didnt show swordsmanhsip this chap because its a blast. not a sword specific attack
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its not sword specific but he used a sword to do it
which is swordmanship.
the level of bullshit here stinks
 
We haven't seen "swordsmanship" from Roger. We have seen his weapon clashing with Whitebeard's weapon once. No swordspecific ability used. He used a named attack on Oden, yes, but that was rather a blast than a cut. Big Mom also used a named attack with her sword (spear of Elbaf) but the exact same named attack was used by a giant using an axe. So that named attack was not specific to swords.
That depends on what you see as swordsmanship. You are thinking of being trained in specific martial arts and techniques to further enhance your capabilities with a sword but that´s just that, technique.
People can have a difference in emphasizing different aspects of using a tool, strength, speed, technique and so forth.
Swordsmanship is simply using a sword to fight, it´s also the definition in pretty much every major dictionary.
Why do you think there are so many different weight classes in combat sports? Because a heavyweight can have the shittiest technique, footwork and everything else that is involved, simply crushes someone in Flyweight for example.
 
that's not how logic work

I can say "Shanks beat Prime Beard in order to become a Yonko"

you don't know that he didn't so saying he didn't beat Prime Beard is false
No that is exactly how it works

Your point however falls flat on its face because it is completely illogical and false.

We know Shanks never beat Primebeard.
1. He was a child when WB was in his Prime.
2. WB was matching his captain
3. Even old beard is the WSM
 
No that is exactly how it works

Your point however falls flat on its face because it is completely illogical and false.

We know Shanks never beat Primebeard.
1. He was a child when WB was in his Prime.
2. WB was matching his captain
3. Even old beard is the WSM
we don't really know how strong Shanks is ... so no ... it's not out of realm of possible so if not knowing is a proof so Shanks have it

and at same time we know sick beard is aomung weakest of top tiers ... the fact that you don't understand that is sad


in order to make a logical claim you need to BASE it on some thing ...

unless it's a theory or head canon

that's why Shanks beating WB is wrong ... cause it's baseless
that's why Mihawk beating any of current top tiers is wrong ... cause it's baseless


the fact that I need to explain this is double sad
 
that's not how logic work

I can say "Shanks beat Prime Beard in order to become a Yonko"

you don't know that he didn't so saying he didn't beat Prime Beard is false
It is exactly how it works. You do not know Mihawk’s track record therefore you do not know if he beat or not any top tier. So saying that it is a fact that he did not beat any top tier is factually false.
 
we don't really know how strong Shanks is ... so no ... it's not out of realm of possible so if not knowing is a proof so Shanks have it

and at same time we know sick beard is aomung weakest of top tiers ... the fact that you don't understand that is sad


in order to make a logical claim you need to BASE it on some thing ...

unless it's a theory or head canon

that's why Shanks beating WB is wrong ... cause it's baseless
that's why Mihawk beating any of current top tiers is wrong ... cause it's baseless


the fact that I need to explain this is double sad
What's sad is that you do not know how a logical argument works. You are not honest enough to admit you got it wrong and so you do a poor job at Backtracking.

Your argument ; we don't know if Shanks beat Primebeard.
Manga : Shanks was a child when WB was in his prime, WB even old was still WSM.


Try again
 
What's sad is that you do not know how a logical argument works. You are not honest enough to admit you got it wrong and so you do a poor job at Backtracking.

Your argument ; we don't know if Shanks beat Primebeard.
Manga : Shanks was a child when WB was in his prime, WB even old was still WSM.


Try again
That´s the problem if your argument structure is "this is what i think and i am fan of, this is how i have to come up with arguments to fit that impression".
 
Roger just isn't as dedicated to the sword stuff as Mihawk or Zoro is. He doesn't even need a black blade. Roger is for sure the strongest character we know of, and if he would need a black blade, then Oda would give him one. Roger is an allrounder.
 

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Does it matter if Roger was a swordsman? He's dead so isnt a factor when it comes to the current strongest swordsman. Zoro wants to be strongest swordsman....not the strongest to ever exist....
 
that's not how logic work

I can say "Shanks beat Prime Beard in order to become a Yonko"

you don't know that he didn't so saying he didn't beat Prime Beard is false
Wtf mate ? What kind of logic is that ?
Me : Mihawk beat everyone at the age of 4 to become WSS.
Can you disprove that ? You don't know that he didn't so saying he didn't beat everyone is false ?
 
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