Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1030 Spoilers Discussion

[Adam 🍎]

Last ressort just mean something used when you have no choice left. It's more similar to how G4 was a last ressort for Luffy post-skip where he only firstly used it in dressrosa, with it being a mode lasting a long while but coming with drawback.

So there are few differences between Zoro and Kid/Law
- Zoro's Asura so far is only used for temporarily attacks when Kid/Law's awakening is a mode
- Advanced color of conqueror played a role in scarring Kaido, something Zoro can only subconsciously use yet

So Zoro can temporarily be claimed to be low top tier when he subconsciously use coc+Asura, but it's not something he mastered yet, hence why he is rated below. Kid / Law however can freely use their mode longer than Zoro to hang on with those levels of power

Reading this made me realise Zoro is using Asura while not knowing what the fuck it is himself

 

[Finalbeta]

Oh my seven quirks

No, Crybaby beta Deku won't be finer than anyone Lmao

What

 

[Hiragaro]

I don't think he knows who it is. I could be very wrong tho

He said "a certain man" - he clearly knows who it is. He knows the % of his own chances and of other people as shown with killer.

 

[Finalbeta]

LMAO luffy so much better than zoro is every aspect of the character tho

Stick to Evil Sanjino man, you understand more that wise.

 

[Azurion]

Anything we see around us is something. What if nothing at all existed instead.

No universe, no laws of physics even, not even the abstract concept of them.

It's like the ultimate question humanity can fundamentally bring to the table.

No theory is developed enough to explain it and perhaps our minds will never get a satisfactory answer to such query.

All we can suggest is that perhaps this is the natural state of things and it has not to be explained any further. But that is not satisfactory as an answer.

May be dabbling in Religious texts might give an answer. Who knows may be 20 years from now I will be able to give you an answer.

 

[Red Admiral]

"kidd, you have so much potential, don't be fucking useless "​

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Pre-awakened Kid's robot was overpowering Kaido similar to G4, so one could imagine that the awakening form would boost him even further

Base Kid/combo with his df: G2/G3 lvl, he is similar like Luffy:

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Base Kid: Around solid Yonkou commander lvl
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Then you have mecha Kid, who is similar like Boundman Luffy, it has a insane physical power, he can fly with it and block attacks:

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Would say around YC1lvl in compare to Luffy Boundman, probably higher?

And then awakenend Kid, he should be around low top tier range.

So far based on the compare with Luffy:

Base Kid>High Tier
Mecha Kid>High High Tier/Inbetweener
Awakenend Kid>Low top tier

If he get now even adv CoC, we can think about him placing around Mid top tier.
Kid is not less weaker then Luffy.

 

[zorji]

Yeah.....AP strong enough to stunn Boundman Luffy would only tickle Kid. What AP has he shown that hurts Katakuri, assuming he can even touch him in the first place since his speed feats are atrocious

kid seems slow and observation haki would make him lose to katakuri

Stick to Evil Sanjino man, you understand more that wise.

Evil sanjino = sanji showing enough will power to regain emotions = best character again and AGAIN as always

 

[Geo]

Now do people still think Yamato is low top tier?
Might as well place Law and Kidd there as well

 

[Finalbeta]

May be dabbling in Religious texts might give an answer. Who knows may be 20 years from now I will be able to give you an answer.

There's theoretically an infinite number of possibilities eventually, but ultimately it might be just one. :cheers:

 

[Red Admiral]

BTW, I told you the Roof 5 were the alliance top 5 :cheers:

atm Yamato > Killer + Kidd + Law

p.s

even considering Killer > Marco is toxic as fuck btw

 

[Patryipe]

atm Yamato > Killer + Kidd + Law

Not even close

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

I'm pretty sure Kidd wouldn't have been able to train awakening since he was in Udon seastoned.

After Udon they had 1-2weeks time to train, remember when Zoro and Luffy train, that was 1-2weeks before the raid start and after Kid was out of Udon. During that time they could awake it, I hope the chapter answer our questions.

 

[draganax]

wait... kid and law have already awakened their abilities!
they sound op af.
and of course kanjoru is still alive.

 

[Patryipe]

Some trivia, the chapter title seems to reference a line from The Tale of the Heiki:

The sound of the Gion Shōja bells echoes the impermanence of all things; the color of the sāla flowers reveals the truth that the prosperous must decline. The proud do not endure, they are like a dream on a spring night; the mighty fall at last, they are as dust before the wind.

English translation:

RIP Big Meme

 

[Red Admiral]

Not even close

I'll talk to you when any of then had a 1 Vs 1 with Hybrid Kaido

Kid and Killer were annihilated by base Kaido before and gave him 0.2% damage at best during roof top

 

[Geo]

After Udon they had 1-2weeks time to train, remember when Zoro and Luffy train, that was 1-2weeks before the raid start and after Kid was out of Udon. During that time they could awake it, I hope the chapter answer our questions.

Yeah let's wait for the chapter to explain. Should be fine either way. We can agree that they needed awakening to give a great fight to Yonkou.

Law and Kidd were between Yc1 and Yc2 without awakening. After awakening, they should be in-between yc1 and top tier.

So now it should be
Luffy, Zoro, Kidd and Law
Yamato
Killer

 

[Gintoki]

What

deku's asspull

 

[nik87]

LMAO luffy so much better than zoro is every aspect of the character tho

Luffy is the reason why OP sales are dropping tho.

 

[SDfear]

Some trivia, the chapter title seems to reference a line from The Tale of the Heiki:

The sound of the Gion Shōja bells echoes the impermanence of all things; the color of the sāla flowers reveals the truth that the prosperous must decline. The proud do not endure, they are like a dream on a spring night; the mighty fall at last, they are as dust before the wind.