General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

In the raid both Jimbei and Sanji say Luffy he should reserve energy against main threat at hand meaning in future battles Luffy will solely focused on the captain. If he does lose the fight again. His crew members must hold off that person off for the time being until he recovers. When wano arc is over wano practically it is going to be under Luffy’s territory from now on. Which means Luffy allies will protect for him. The enemies there going to face from now on are going to be much stronger than the previous one. That is how one piece usually goes. So why not take strong fighter who you free from their predicament. This arc also centers around a character who will be responsible for carrying on oden’s will. During the oden’s flashback Roger’s does say there will be someone will surpass them. Ace could not do it because he is dead. Momo still has a mind of child and none of the nine scabbards are interested in going on adventure. So, why not take someone who is an outcast, someone who could carry oden ideals with them and someone who has been close off from rest of the world for 28 years. It also relates to one of Luffy’s other goals of gathering crew that could surpass Shanks one day. There you go

Because One Piece is not all about strenght, and if Carrot joins, I think Chopper can find something to "unblock" her Sulong form.

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Zoro was suspicious, yes, but that doesn’t deny the fact that Robin has always been a Straw Hat ever since. Since when suspicious is the same that she was never considered a crew? Zoro has never denied her as part of the crew, nor anybody does that. Zoro was the only one who was suspicious, but the rest of the crew immediately acknowledged her. Even in the penultimate event, Zoro protected Robin after Enel struck her head with his lightning. I bet that after this reply, you will deny again for the numerous time

and yet here you are again, twisting words to prove you’re right. Nothing new.

and again, I was right to predict that you couldn’t hold yourself to reply. The more obvious clues that each time you reply you contradict your previous reply. Calling someone toxic to run away is beyond pathetic. Nothing new when it comes from you

Being part of the crew does not mean being a Strawhat. Carrot was part of the ACTIVE crew during whole cake, but she is not a strawhat yet. It the same (in the story) for Robin. Robin was really "officialised" just before water seven and after ennies lobby. She was part of the crew but not really a full part of the family yet.

(in other word, I can't accept Robin as a strawhat until EVERY member on the strawhat accept her and that she is put with the crew in the action, this is what happened during the meeting with Aokiji, from this point you can safely say, yes.. Robin is a strawhat)

I'm not right, in fact I granted you that point. I can't argue against the page annotations. Accept that.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

Called out? I'm talking strictly about what we have in canon now. And I'm am no interested in your "just wait and see, oda definitely plans something, there will be another dream" you keep bothering me with. Go talk to someone else about what you think might happen in the future.

Again, i never said what will happen, dont just assume what i think. Fact is, Yamato still has half of her intro arc to be published so you dont have enough info to say shes the same as these other characters. Thats why your so far is equally bad or worse than any just wait and see. Also, at what point did you know what the dream is for each SH, seems like youre quick to pick up everything

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Being part of the crew does not mean being a Strawhat. Carrot was part of the ACTIVE crew during whole cake, but she is not a strawhat yet. It the same (in the story) for Robin. Robin was really "officialised" just before water seven and after ennies lobby. She was part of the crew but not really a full part of the family yet.

(in other word, I can't accept Robin as a strawhat until EVERY member on the strawhat accept her and that she is put with the crew in the action, this is what happened during the meeting with Aokiji, from this point you can safely say, yes.. Robin is a strawhat)

I'm not right, in fact I granted you that point. I can't argue against the page annotations. Accept that.

More mental gymnastics, as usual, nothing new. You can’t even give the exact evidence where any of the Straw Hats specifically said:”you’re not a part of our crew.” nor give evidence that Robin has denied that she isn’t part of the crew ever since she was accepted.

The strongest yet terrible argument you could give was “Zoro was suspicious” but Zoro never once denied her existence as being a part of the crew. Robin invited herself, Luffy accepted her, she officially joined since then. Carrot never invited herself, therefore Luffy never accepted her, which means Carrot has never been a part of the crew. It’s really not that hard to comprehend the difference.

 

[Logiko]

More mental gymnastics, as usual, nothing new. You can’t even give the exact evidence where any of the Straw Hats specifically said:”you’re not a part of our crew.” nor give evidence that Robin has denied that she isn’t part of the crew ever since she was accepted.

The strongest yet terrible argument you could give was “Zoro was suspicious” but Zoro never once denied her existence as being a part of the crew. Robin invited herself, Luffy accepted her, she officially joined since then. Carrot never invited herself, therefore Luffy never accepted her, which means Carrot has never been a part of the crew. It’s really not that hard to comprehend the difference.

Where you see mental gymnastic I see precision. If you don't understand that, I can't help you. (you bother so much trying to prove me wrong that you don't see that you already made your point)

Wrong. Carrot invited herself and Luffy accepted her. Do you want the panel or we stop here before it gets ugly ?

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Again, i never said what will happen, dont just assume what i think. Fact is, Yamato still has half of her intro arc to be published so you dont have enough info to say shes the same as these other characters. Thats why your so far is equally bad or worse than any just wait and see. Also, at what point did you know what the dream is for each SH, seems like youre quick to pick up everything

People really have to stop with that "dream" bullcrap.

The strawhats have strong desire, only some of them have "dreams". It's important because if you search everywhere for a dream, you might miss the desire.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Where you see mental gymnastic I see precision. If you don't understand that, I can't help you. (you bother so much trying to prove me wrong that you don't see that you already made your point)

Wrong. Carrot invited herself and Luffy accepted her. Do you want the panel or we stop here before it gets ugly ?

show me where Carrot specifically said “let me join your crew” like Robin did, and show me where Luffy accepted her invitation.

I can show you the panel where Robin specifically said “let me join your crew”. Why do you want to stop if this is the time for you to prove your argument is right, because you said my argument is wrong?

 

[Logiko]

show me where Carrot specifically said “let me join your crew” like Robin did, and show me where Luffy accepted her invitation.

you said "invited herself" not ask. Carrot don't ask, she TAKES.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

Where you see mental gymnastic I see precision. If you don't understand that, I can't help you. (you bother so much trying to prove me wrong that you don't see that you already made your point)

Wrong. Carrot invited herself and Luffy accepted her. Do you want the panel or we stop here before it gets ugly ?

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People really have to stop with that "dream" bullcrap.

The strawhats have strong desire, only some of them have "dreams". It's important because if you search everywhere for a dream, you might miss the desire.

Tell us more about it

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

you said "invited herself" not ask. Carrot don't ask, she TAKES.

takes what? Care to elaborate? Didn’t you say my argument was wrong and you asked whether I want the panel? Yes I want the panel where you said “Carrot invited herself and Luffy accepted her.” Should I quote your previous post? Funny that you immediately deny your previous argument with more mental gymnastics. Totally nothing new

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Because One Piece is not all about strenght, and if Carrot joins, I think Chopper can find something to "unblock" her Sulong form.

It isn't, but that's what they lack now... Nope, Chopper can't even perfect his own PED and you're thinking he can perfect a newly made one? There's a reason why IRL there are people who are afraid of new vax...

only some of them have "dreams"

Oh no this one's one of the most horrible statements I read this year... Only some of them?

 

[Uncle Van]

She is 15. Of course she packed light. She would pack light even if she needed to go on the moon!!

Come on, let's put a stop on this bad faith argument.

Yes. Carrot view on adventure has changed. This is the most logical assumption there is. Carrot was going for a nice journey, she lost a master and suffered like hell.

There is nothing more logical about that. This is what we call narration or narration logic or storytelling logic. Call it however you want. Accept that.

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Why do you want carrot to fight against a commander level ? Can't she fight against just like a Tobbi Roppo ?

You keep spamming "bad faith" in an attempt to avoid addressing arguments. Many are trying to have an actual debate but you keep deflecting, even telling people to wait until Carrot does something.

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH to have had a happy life without struggle?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH who wasn't a main character connected to a villain?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH who didn't have their villain taken out by Luffy?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH who doesn't have a strong narrative contrast to the villain?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH to be separated from the main conflict and have their grudge match completely off paneled and losing?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH to receive such special treatment from Oda?

 

[Logiko]

takes what? Care to elaborate? Didn’t you say my argument was wrong and you asked whether I want the panel? Yes I want the panel where you said “Carrot invited herself and Luffy accepted her.” Should I quote your previous post? Funny that you immediately deny your previous argument with more mental gymnastics. Totally nothing new

End of Chapter 823. Carrot invited herself by stowaway on the ship and Luffy accepted her while eating a Carrot. I can't be clearer than that. Again, no mental gymnastic here. I don't deny anything, I stand by everything I said before. Don't twist my words or I will my self start being nasty.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

You keep spamming "bad faith" in an attempt to avoid addressing arguments. Many are trying to have an actual debate but you keep deflecting, even telling people to wait until Carrot does something.

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH to have had a happy life without struggle?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH who wasn't a main character connected to a villain?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH who didn't have their villain taken out by Luffy?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH who doesn't have a strong narrative contrast to the villain?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH to be separated from the main conflict and have their grudge match completely off paneled and losing?

Why does get to be the only SH to receive such special treatment from Oda?

It’s funny that in the same reply he said to me: “Wrong. Carrot invited herself and Luffy accepted her. Do you want the panel or we stop here before it gets ugly?” Saying I was wrong, trying to prove himself right, then avoid giving the evidence.

Only in the next reply he denied his own statement by saying “Carrot don’t ask. She takes.” Passive-aggresive much?

What would you expect from someone who can’t even give the exact prove of his own statement and denying his own statement on the immediate next reply?

Even with his statement, he can’t give the proof. I’m 100% the next time he replied it’s either:

1. Asking back
2. More mental gymnastics
3. Calling others toxic or having bad faith arguments
4. Trying to look smart by ignoring

 

[Logiko]

You keep spamming "bad faith" in an attempt to avoid addressing arguments. Many are trying to have an actual debate but you keep deflecting, even telling people to wait until Carrot does something.

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH to have had a happy life without struggle?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH who wasn't a main character connected to a villain?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH who didn't have their villain taken out by Luffy?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH who doesn't have a strong narrative contrast to the villain?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH to be separated from the main conflict and have their grudge match completely off paneled and losing?

Why does Carrot get to be the only SH to receive such special treatment from Oda?

Many are trying to deflect my arguments, nuance* I gave you a strong one, until no, almost no one commented on it.

1. You first sentence doesn't make sence, can you repeat it please
2. Right now Carrot is not a strawhat, and the main villain can come AFTER wano. (and it doesn't need to be a main villain, in fact Jack is sufficiant)
3. Jack, indirectly. or it can come later. And again, Carrot is not a strawhat yet
4. Carrot is not a strawhat yet. It can come after Wano, this is irrelevant
5. Carrot is not a strawhat yet. Carrot is not separated, or ZOro is separated. The conflict takes place in Onigashima, not just a room or two. Maybe Perospero is not Carrot's greatest conflict. (yup that's the powa of storytelling ma boi)

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It’s funny that in the same reply he said to me: “Wrong. Carrot invited herself and Luffy accepted her. Do you want the panel or we stop here before it gets ugly?” Saying I was wrong, trying to prove himself right, then avoid giving the evidence.

Only in the next reply he denied his own statement by saying “Carrot don’t ask. She takes.” Passive-aggresive much?

What would you expect from someone who can’t even give the exact prove of his own statement and denying his own statement on the immediate next reply?

Even with his statement, he can’t give the proof. I’m 100% the next time he replied it’s either:

1. Asking back
2. More mental gymnastics
3. Calling others toxic or having bad faith arguments
4. Trying to look smart by ignoring

I won't make the job of searching for you 3 panel and hosting three fudging image here, it's too long. I gave you the chapter, if you can't click on google, that's not my problem.

"Carrot don't ask, she takes" is not a attack, it's a statement.

I'm not denying anything. Last warning.

 

[Finalbeta]

I have a sensation Luffy will not oppose Carrot's stay as long as she will ask for demanding to stay, the thing is she may very well wish to return to Zou. When she joined it occurred to me that she did in order to give dignity to Pedro's death and not necessarily fullfil a journey with the SHs for an indefinite time. It's possible that she craves for an amazing indefinitely long adventure but to me that's not likely the case. If Pedro didn't die she would have arguably returned to Zou staying with the other minks.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

End of Chapter 823. Carrot invited herself by stowaway on the ship and Luffy accepted her while eating a Carrot. I can't be clearer than that. Again, no mental gymnastic here. I don't deny anything, I stand by everything I said before. Don't twist my words or I will my self start being nasty.

And let me put the page:

She said “I decided to tag along!” she didn’t say “Luffy, I want to join your crew!”. She continuously said “Please I’ll do anything! Just take me with you!” She said it to Pedro, not Luffy. The page itself tells so. I guess it’s not that hard to comprehend.

Luffy said “well you’re on board now, so we’ll have to make do!” Luffy didn’t say “okay, join our crew!”

now let’s compare with Robin:

There you go. There is a huge difference between “I decided to tag along” and “I want to join your crew.” The same page you pointed has been used as an argument over and over again, and has been debunked over and over again. As a self-proclaimed analyst, you pretty much sure know the difference.

Oh wow look! A bad-ass who wants to get nasty. Nobody cares FYI

 

[Logiko]

I have a sensation Luffy will not oppose Carrot's stay as long as she will ask for demanding to stay, the thing is she may very well wish to return to Zou. When she joined it occurred to me that she did in order to give dignity to Pedro's death and not necessarily fullfil a journey with the SHs for an indefinite time. It's possible that she craves for an amazing indefinitely long adventure but to me that's not likely the case. If Pedro didn't die she would have arguably returned to Zou staying with the other minks.

Unlikely. Her characterization is the one of a kid in a funfair. A kid who loves that much adventure will most likely want to go back to it, not go back home.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Many are trying to deflect my arguments, nuance* I gave you a strong one, until no, almost no one commented on it.

1. You first sentence doesn't make sence, can you repeat it please
2. Right now Carrot is not a strawhat, and the main villain can come AFTER wano. (and it doesn't need to be a main villain, in fact Jack is sufficiant)
3. Jack, indirectly. or it can come later. And again, Carrot is not a strawhat yet
4. Carrot is not a strawhat yet. It can come after Wano, this is irrelevant
5. Carrot is not a strawhat yet. Carrot is not separated, or ZOro is separated. The conflict takes place in Onigashima, not just a room or two. Maybe Perospero is not Carrot's greatest conflict. (yup that's the powa of storytelling ma boi)

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I won't make the job of searching for you 3 panel and hosting three fudging image here, it's too long. I gave you the chapter, if you can't click on google, that's not my problem.

"Carrot don't ask, she takes" is not a attack, it's a statement.

I'm not denying anything. Last warning.

FYI I never felt attacked. You’ve never been a threat anyway. Don’t try to make yourself look relevant because you’ve never been

 

[Logiko]

And let me put the page:

She said “I decided to tag along!” she didn’t say “Luffy, I want to join your crew!”. She continuously said “Please I’ll do anything! Just take me with you!” She said it to Pedro, not Luffy. The page itself tells so. I guess it’s not that hard to comprehend.

Luffy said “well you’re on board now, so we’ll have to make do!” Luffy didn’t say “okay, join our crew!”

now let’s compare with Robin:

There you go. There is a huge difference between “I decided to tag along” and “I want to join your crew.” The same page you pointed has been used as an argument over and over again, and has been debunked over and over again. As a self-proclaimed analyst, you pretty much sure know the difference.

Oh wow look! A bad-ass who wants to get nasty. Nobody cares FYI

Do you know english ? "Invited herself" means that she DIDN'T ASK

So question, do you have a problem with english ?

 

[Uncle Van]

Many are trying to deflect my arguments, nuance* I gave you a strong one, until no, almost no one commented on it.

1. You first sentence doesn't make sence, can you repeat it please
2. Right now Carrot is not a strawhat, and the main villain can come AFTER wano. (and it doesn't need to be a main villain, in fact Jack is sufficiant)
3. Jack, indirectly. or it can come later. And again, Carrot is not a strawhat yet
4. Carrot is not a strawhat yet. It can come after Wano, this is irrelevant
5. Carrot is not a strawhat yet. Carrot is not separated, or ZOro is separated. The conflict takes place in Onigashima, not just a room or two. Maybe Perospero is not Carrot's greatest conflict. (yup that's the powa of storytelling ma boi)

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I won't make the job of searching for you 3 panel and hosting three fudging image here, it's too long. I gave you the chapter, if you can't click on google, that's not my problem.

"Carrot don't ask, she takes" is not a attack, it's a statement.

I'm not denying anything. Last warning.

More deflecting. Once again, your only argument is that "Carrot might get something later."

Carrot had a happy life without any conflict. The Mink tribe had a 1000 years of peace so Carrot would be the only SH without any past struggle or motivation.

Carrot doesn't have any villain, has yet to be a main character and was completely separated from the SHs despite Oda speed running to finished One Piece by age 50.

All you can say to this is that you don't understand what I'm saying and that Carrot might get something later...

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Do you know english ? "Invited herself" means that she DIDN'T ASK

So question, do you have a problem with english ?

Said someone who has so many typos in his replies LMAO. Still doesn’t change the fact that Carrot never asked, Luffy never accepted, and no Straw Hat has acknowledged her as part of the crew. You said she didn’t invite herself, she takes. Takes what? No Straw Hats has asked her to join the crew either. Should I remind you with this:

It’s not even 24 hours and you’re denying your own statement. You’re a whole circus NGL I’m literally laughing replying you LMAO