General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Ironically, we can explain his points better than he can when we do think about it lol.
"Everything so far is one giant lie. A sign of a good story teller is his ability to fool the audience, so all this overwhelming evidence favoring Yamato and hurting Carrot is simply to swerve the audience when Carrot joins and gets the spotlight. Anyone who doesn't believe me when I tell them that Oda is lying to them must hate me or Carrot!"
"Everything so far is one giant lie. A sign of a good story teller is his ability to fool the audience, so all this overwhelming evidence favoring Yamato and hurting Carrot is simply to swerve the audience when Carrot joins and gets the spotlight. Anyone who doesn't believe me when I tell them that Oda is lying to them must hate me or Carrot!"
Oh boi the strawman
So nop Most of this is wrong.
- A character NEEDS all of this. What i'm saying is that none of this needs to be set in the past. I can't be clearer than that. Don't twist my words please ;)
- Carrot has something right now, it's just subtle. Same don't twist my words.
- Indeed, the story puts Yamato as a advantage on the surface, but this is most likely a red heering, this is true.
- All of the theories are statement about the story (yours and mine included) are assumption, what we have are only panel, not the truth about the future of the characters.
Finally I'm not sayin that you hate me because I make assumption I'm saying that you are too biased to consider the possibility to be wrong. That's different. Some people are hatefull but we don't really care about them.
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For those who don't understand why i'm saying that the development of Carrot doesn't need to be set in the past, let me redirect you to this link.
THere, you willl find an article of my blog where I explain this specific point in detail. You might even learn a thing or two about characterization.
If you don't care about reading that, don't try to argue about it, it would be meaningless.
So nop Most of this is wrong.
- A character NEEDS all of this. What i'm saying is that none of this needs to be set in the past. I can't be clearer than that. Don't twist my words please ;)
- Carrot has something right now, it's just subtle. Same don't twist my words.
- Indeed, the story puts Yamato as a advantage on the surface, but this is most likely a red heering, this is true.
- All of the theories are statement about the story (yours and mine included) are assumption, what we have are only panel, not the truth about the future of the characters.
Finally I'm not sayin that you hate me because I make assumption I'm saying that you are too biased to consider the possibility to be wrong. That's different. Some people are hatefull but we don't really care about them.
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For those who don't understand why i'm saying that the development of Carrot doesn't need to be set in the past, let me redirect you to this link.
THere, you willl find an article of my blog where I explain this specific point in detail. You might even learn a thing or two about characterization.
If you don't care about reading that, don't try to argue about it, it would be meaningless.
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9 out 9 Strawhats had backstories, why the 10th Strawhat wouldn't? It's a 100% accuracy, nothing suggest that the backstory will be done in the present instead everything points at a backstory for the 10th Strawhat.. If a serial killer disposed of his 9 victims by removing their tongue why would the 10th murder be different with his lungs, it's his modus operandi, that's how he identify his crimes from others.. Backstories is how Oda works, his bread and butter, what defines his story telling..
If the Pirate King crew will have a dedicated Lookout, they will have abilities that go beyond the scope of a normal Lookout like Jinbei surfing on a Tsunami goes over the realm of Helmsmanship.. Yes Carrot has been foreshadowed as Lookout, but you fail to take into consideration once again that she's not special at it, nothing about Carrot is unique..
The Strawhats didn't become Nakama because they were drawn on the same page with each other..
The Strawhats didn't become Nakama because they '' fit '' within the crew..
The Strawhats didn't become Nakama because they had interactions with the crew
If the Pirate King crew will have a dedicated Lookout, they will have abilities that go beyond the scope of a normal Lookout like Jinbei surfing on a Tsunami goes over the realm of Helmsmanship.. Yes Carrot has been foreshadowed as Lookout, but you fail to take into consideration once again that she's not special at it, nothing about Carrot is unique..
The Strawhats didn't become Nakama because they were drawn on the same page with each other..
The Strawhats didn't become Nakama because they '' fit '' within the crew..
The Strawhats didn't become Nakama because they had interactions with the crew
Good question. Why the tenth would not have a backstory ?
Because of three things:
- Time
- Context
- Story lengh
Those three parameters put together are making the next Nakama as one of the most important revelation we will get in the next dozens of chapters. The hype, the fans theories, thefanbase.. everything is on another level right now.. that's why I think the revelation of the next crewmember should be as surprising as possible.
Remember, backstories are just a tool, what Oda is really working with is something far deeper that that. And that "matter" doesn't need to be set in the past. It can be setup in the present. again read my link where I talk about this in detail. (i won't copy past my article here, it would be too much)
Carrot DO has the capacity that goes beyong the simple lookout, by her design (she can jump high and fast, remember, the higher you go, the farther you can see) and with her experience.
Also you have to remember that "specials abilities" are ONLY needed in very specific occasion in the story:
- A tornado approaching
- A Tsunami coming in
- A wedding cake to bake etc..
Only in those very specific situation the "real capacity" of the character is important. That's why Oda choose to use the Sulong for Carrot (that she is mastering quite well for her age) at the very specific moment of the naval pinch.
No, but those are undeniable evidences showing that a strawhat is being constructed.
It's not just a random tool in One Piece, that's Oda's designated framework.. Other than the Strawhats, Law, Doflamingo, Senior Pink, Vivi, Ace, Whitebeard, Oden, Big Mom, Noland and Calgara, Sabo, Pedro, Baby 5, Katakuri, Rebecca, Boa, Koala, Cindry, Buggy, Kuro, Onimaru, Pell, Crocus, Roger, etc...
First she can't jump high without elephant skin, second hight and sight have no correlation the reason why the crows nest is a better place for lookout than the deck is for line of sight obstruction and the Horizon will be seen first..
They are portrayed to be important for future Strawhats with a definite position on the ship such as Navigator, Helmsman and Lookout as well.. Sulong is useless in day time and it's not practical for a Lookout aside boarding nearby ships, you can only float downward..
No being constructed is having meaningful interaction, pertinent development, character conflict, central to the plot, which Carrot has none of.. Your point hold as much weight as a character joining based on their power level, very low..
First she can't jump high without elephant skin, second hight and sight have no correlation the reason why the crows nest is a better place for lookout than the deck is for line of sight obstruction and the Horizon will be seen first..
They are portrayed to be important for future Strawhats with a definite position on the ship such as Navigator, Helmsman and Lookout as well.. Sulong is useless in day time and it's not practical for a Lookout aside boarding nearby ships, you can only float downward..
No being constructed is having meaningful interaction, pertinent development, character conflict, central to the plot, which Carrot has none of.. Your point hold as much weight as a character joining based on their power level, very low..
Yes a tool, not a necessary one
Wrong you can see Carrot jump multiple time very high without the elephant skin. (The nest is at 60 meter by the way)
Wrong also, you should know how geometry works with the curve of the earth, the higher you go the farsest you can see, this is not just a theory, it's maths.
We don't care if Sulong is useless in daytime, it was usefull at the very specific moment it was needed, like all the capacities of the strawhats.
No, that's your interpretation, having the kind of relationship with the strawhats had, only a few character had that, this and others things are the sign of the construction of a strawhat and the is undeniable. Interaction is not the base, it's a sign. Don't mix up the definition.
Wrong you can see Carrot jump multiple time very high without the elephant skin. (The nest is at 60 meter by the way)
Wrong also, you should know how geometry works with the curve of the earth, the higher you go the farsest you can see, this is not just a theory, it's maths.
We don't care if Sulong is useless in daytime, it was usefull at the very specific moment it was needed, like all the capacities of the strawhats.
No, that's your interpretation, having the kind of relationship with the strawhats had, only a few character had that, this and others things are the sign of the construction of a strawhat and the is undeniable. Interaction is not the base, it's a sign. Don't mix up the definition.
It's not just a tool, countless evidence show its how Oda operates..
She's only seen jumping on the foremast crow's nest and not on the mainmast nest which is considerably higher..
You do not see further the higher you go, it's the same depth perception for everyone, only the point of view and line of sight vary..
Its irrelevant if the special abilities isn't related to the position..
Everyone gets along with the Strawhats, casual interactions are worthless.. Strawhats are way more than happy buddies..
She's only seen jumping on the foremast crow's nest and not on the mainmast nest which is considerably higher..
You do not see further the higher you go, it's the same depth perception for everyone, only the point of view and line of sight vary..
Its irrelevant if the special abilities isn't related to the position..
Everyone gets along with the Strawhats, casual interactions are worthless.. Strawhats are way more than happy buddies..
Not always.
Spoiler it's wrong, without athmospheric turbulences (like in a full sunny day) the difference between a common lookout and Carrot who can jump even higher can be counted in dozen of kilometers, I counted a difference of 40 kilometers if I remember correctly, (that's if the curve of One Piece's world is similar to ours, it could be more)
Spoiler, Carrot is not just a look out but a sentry. And one Piece chapter 888 is focused around the theme of the look out position.
Wrong again. It's very rare for outside character to have all sorts of interactions with the strawhat. It mostly happen with kids but even then it is more funny that anything. FOr other character it mostly one or two range of interaction Carrot got the whole set of close emotion/interaction with the strawhats (like all the other strawhat) this is quite unique in the story and this is undeniable. You can check if you want.
Spoiler it's wrong, without athmospheric turbulences (like in a full sunny day) the difference between a common lookout and Carrot who can jump even higher can be counted in dozen of kilometers, I counted a difference of 40 kilometers if I remember correctly, (that's if the curve of One Piece's world is similar to ours, it could be more)
Spoiler, Carrot is not just a look out but a sentry. And one Piece chapter 888 is focused around the theme of the look out position.
Wrong again. It's very rare for outside character to have all sorts of interactions with the strawhat. It mostly happen with kids but even then it is more funny that anything. FOr other character it mostly one or two range of interaction Carrot got the whole set of close emotion/interaction with the strawhats (like all the other strawhat) this is quite unique in the story and this is undeniable. You can check if you want.
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