Powers & Abilities Haoshoku Haki: What are those qualities of a king?
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The Dobberman statement doesn't mean lineage is a factor to CoC imo. I think what it meant is that Dragon has exceptional willpower, enough to rule over the revolutionary and attempt to take over marijoa, so it'd not be surprising if his son had similar kind of willpower / ambition, which is the real factor when it comes down to be born with CoC imo
If we look at the ones known to have CoC thus far
- Roger aimed at becoming the pirate king
- Emperors are known as conquerors of the seas due to their will / power to conquer multiple territories in the new world
- Ace aimed at overshadowing his father(Roger = the pirate king)'s accomplishments so that people should stop calling him Roger's son, but rather calling Roger, the father of Ace
- Luffy aims at becoming the pirate king
- Zoro aims at overwhelming every swordsmen to become the strongest
- Doffy aimed at taking over dressrosa as part of the donquixote's territory, with Monet implying pirate king to be his ultimate goal
- Hancock is viewed as the strongest warrior of a warrior tribe(Kuja tribe) ultimately ruling amazon lily in an iron fist
- Sengoku was a fleet admiral, having authority over all the marines
- Rayleigh's nickname is "dark king"
- Oden conquered Kuri to be known as it's daimyo, as well as the 9 scabbards ending up as his followers
- Kid implied preskip that he aimed at pirate king just like Luffy when saying that he killed whoever laughed at his dream
- Katakuri is considered as the masterpiece of the BM pirates, widely beloved by his family, recognized as the strongest(outside of BM) with potential to take over the BM pirates if she were to die
For Chinjao it's a bit less clear, but he was the leader of the Happo Navy, rivaled Garp in his prime, and judging by his statements towards Luffy("what kind of king do you want to be?") after noticing he has conqueror's haki, it suggest he aimed at becoming king of something, which is the essential attribute all the conquerors share thus far
- Huge willpower / ambition
- Conqueror / aiming at dominating the will of others
These are the main attributes of CoC users imo
If we look at the ones known to have CoC thus far
- Roger aimed at becoming the pirate king
- Emperors are known as conquerors of the seas due to their will / power to conquer multiple territories in the new world
- Ace aimed at overshadowing his father(Roger = the pirate king)'s accomplishments so that people should stop calling him Roger's son, but rather calling Roger, the father of Ace
- Luffy aims at becoming the pirate king
- Zoro aims at overwhelming every swordsmen to become the strongest
- Doffy aimed at taking over dressrosa as part of the donquixote's territory, with Monet implying pirate king to be his ultimate goal
- Hancock is viewed as the strongest warrior of a warrior tribe(Kuja tribe) ultimately ruling amazon lily in an iron fist
- Sengoku was a fleet admiral, having authority over all the marines
- Rayleigh's nickname is "dark king"
- Oden conquered Kuri to be known as it's daimyo, as well as the 9 scabbards ending up as his followers
- Kid implied preskip that he aimed at pirate king just like Luffy when saying that he killed whoever laughed at his dream
- Katakuri is considered as the masterpiece of the BM pirates, widely beloved by his family, recognized as the strongest(outside of BM) with potential to take over the BM pirates if she were to die
For Chinjao it's a bit less clear, but he was the leader of the Happo Navy, rivaled Garp in his prime, and judging by his statements towards Luffy("what kind of king do you want to be?") after noticing he has conqueror's haki, it suggest he aimed at becoming king of something, which is the essential attribute all the conquerors share thus far
- Huge willpower / ambition
- Conqueror / aiming at dominating the will of others
These are the main attributes of CoC users imo
The thing is, your dream/aspiration is not pre determined before you are born. As per Rayleigh, those who possess the ability usually go on to make a name for themselves, but that doesn't mean you have to make a name for yourself or have some major aspiration and attempt to achieve it in order for you to be born with it.
Countless pirates on the sea aspire to be Pirate King, but the assumption is never that they have Conqueror's Haki because of that aspiration.
Now obviously, random people can be born with CoC, but the simple fact that you have three CoC users, who went on to have children who are CoC users themselves is an indicator that lineage can factor into a person being born with it, because the odds of that happening with a one in a million chance ability is astronomical.
Countless pirates on the sea aspire to be Pirate King, but the assumption is never that they have Conqueror's Haki because of that aspiration.
Now obviously, random people can be born with CoC, but the simple fact that you have three CoC users, who went on to have children who are CoC users themselves is an indicator that lineage can factor into a person being born with it, because the odds of that happening with a one in a million chance ability is astronomical.
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I want to talk about your third and sixth factors.
3) Global Fame:
As I see is not a cause but a consequence. Let's remember Ace first usage of Conqueror Haki was when he was a kid. Almost no one knew he was son of Roger. And it remained like that until Marineford but he was already fame by himself at that point.
So people with conqueror has all the others factors that they will unevitable become famous. But if they chose to remain at shadows that won't be a deny factor of not having conqueror. Pretty much the case of Im-sama.
6) Lineage factor:
This is tricky, it seems to be you need to have some ancesthor with Conqueror. But let's remind that lineage factor also makes you seem similar to your parents. So you could also have conqueror because you have all the others factors not because your parents passed to you by DNA.
Following my issue with your sixth factor, I would say everybody can unlock conqueror if they start to act like those factors. In my personal belief, not from OP but life itself, no one born meant to be anything. People grow up in a way that justify their actions and beliefs. Doflamingo wasn't born that way, he had a childhood that made him like that. And him as an older brother had a different perspective from Corazon for example. Corazon accepted their situation while Doflamingo fought against. That is why Doffy has conqueror and Corazon at least never showed (they had the same extreme situation which could have unlocked Corazon Conqueror Haki).
Is a bit odd to look that way because it seems Doffy was born in a way while Corazon was born different and that could explain why one has conqueror and other don't. I guess I don't have anything to support this idea.
I also want to talk about some characters I believe shouldn't have and others it should. Chinjao... really? He is a king? He is only proud of his peak head format. No big deal. That excuse of him being nerfed because he was old and Garp had made his head going inside himself. But then his head become normal again and his grandson beats him. Let's remember that old people are overpowered in OP. Specially Garp's generation. So he is just weak and literally shouldn't deserve conquerors.
Another one is Katakuri. What Katakuri has that makes him a king? He is strong and stuff but this isn't enough. So far he seems to be BM's dog only. A really obedient son. Perosperos by otherside has some qualities like going against BM's orders and wanting to be the next "captain" of her pirates if/when she dies.
One more thing about CoC is % of people who has it. We have to take in consideration characters we know in series (that means characters that have name) and not OP world population only because we don't know everybody who has it.
So we have a ratio that goes something like 1000 characters to 13 known CoC users(maybe more CoC users belong the characters that we already know) that would be like 1.3% of people in OP having Conqueror. If world population is 1 million that would mean to have 13 thousand people with CoC. Not that very rare.
3) Global Fame:
As I see is not a cause but a consequence. Let's remember Ace first usage of Conqueror Haki was when he was a kid. Almost no one knew he was son of Roger. And it remained like that until Marineford but he was already fame by himself at that point.
So people with conqueror has all the others factors that they will unevitable become famous. But if they chose to remain at shadows that won't be a deny factor of not having conqueror. Pretty much the case of Im-sama.
6) Lineage factor:
This is tricky, it seems to be you need to have some ancesthor with Conqueror. But let's remind that lineage factor also makes you seem similar to your parents. So you could also have conqueror because you have all the others factors not because your parents passed to you by DNA.
Following my issue with your sixth factor, I would say everybody can unlock conqueror if they start to act like those factors. In my personal belief, not from OP but life itself, no one born meant to be anything. People grow up in a way that justify their actions and beliefs. Doflamingo wasn't born that way, he had a childhood that made him like that. And him as an older brother had a different perspective from Corazon for example. Corazon accepted their situation while Doflamingo fought against. That is why Doffy has conqueror and Corazon at least never showed (they had the same extreme situation which could have unlocked Corazon Conqueror Haki).
Is a bit odd to look that way because it seems Doffy was born in a way while Corazon was born different and that could explain why one has conqueror and other don't. I guess I don't have anything to support this idea.
I also want to talk about some characters I believe shouldn't have and others it should. Chinjao... really? He is a king? He is only proud of his peak head format. No big deal. That excuse of him being nerfed because he was old and Garp had made his head going inside himself. But then his head become normal again and his grandson beats him. Let's remember that old people are overpowered in OP. Specially Garp's generation. So he is just weak and literally shouldn't deserve conquerors.
Another one is Katakuri. What Katakuri has that makes him a king? He is strong and stuff but this isn't enough. So far he seems to be BM's dog only. A really obedient son. Perosperos by otherside has some qualities like going against BM's orders and wanting to be the next "captain" of her pirates if/when she dies.
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One more thing about CoC is % of people who has it. We have to take in consideration characters we know in series (that means characters that have name) and not OP world population only because we don't know everybody who has it.
So we have a ratio that goes something like 1000 characters to 13 known CoC users(maybe more CoC users belong the characters that we already know) that would be like 1.3% of people in OP having Conqueror. If world population is 1 million that would mean to have 13 thousand people with CoC. Not that very rare.
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Full bullshit.
Roger NEVER aimed to be pirate king. It was a title given to him by news. Never existed a pirate king before that, or at least many time ago so people forgot.
Not sure about Ace, don't remember well this part, but at final he was aiming to do WB PK not himself. That would be similar to Rayleigh and Zoro.
Luffy actually aims to be free. PK is just a title that certificate that. But it's okay.
Zoro doesn't aim to overwhelming every swordmen. That a lot. He just want the strongest.
What the fuck about Doffy? He was so afraid of Kaido I really doubt he ever dreamed to be Pirate King. This doesn't seem Doffy will. I guess he was fine the way he was at Dressrosa. Not much of that.
Sengoku was fleet admiral, weak but okay, but the previous one, Kong, is until now Supreme Admiral. So Sengoku is not the top ladder of marines.
If I remember Kid was killing who said that would be PK. Then he met Luffy and was afraid to get in a fight with him so he came up with that poor excuse that now on who is afraid to talk about dreams is not fit to New World. Something like that.
True about Katakuri but in fact he is just an obedient dog of BM and didn't deserve conqueror. Perospero is much more of a conqueror, he even challenge BM orders. Much more fit to her position then Katakuri that left Luffy runaway.
Chinjao really didn't should have conqueror. Guy is a joke.
There is a bunch of people around the series that fits to have conqueror. Arlong once stated that he could conqueror the world with the help of Nami. Krieg much likely wanted it too since he had 5 thousand men in his fleet. Enel who took a beating from Luffy and moments after was going to the moon anyway(Luffy didn't break his opponents dreams, he simply doesn't kill them).
Roger NEVER aimed to be pirate king. It was a title given to him by news. Never existed a pirate king before that, or at least many time ago so people forgot.
Not sure about Ace, don't remember well this part, but at final he was aiming to do WB PK not himself. That would be similar to Rayleigh and Zoro.
Luffy actually aims to be free. PK is just a title that certificate that. But it's okay.
Zoro doesn't aim to overwhelming every swordmen. That a lot. He just want the strongest.
What the fuck about Doffy? He was so afraid of Kaido I really doubt he ever dreamed to be Pirate King. This doesn't seem Doffy will. I guess he was fine the way he was at Dressrosa. Not much of that.
Sengoku was fleet admiral, weak but okay, but the previous one, Kong, is until now Supreme Admiral. So Sengoku is not the top ladder of marines.
If I remember Kid was killing who said that would be PK. Then he met Luffy and was afraid to get in a fight with him so he came up with that poor excuse that now on who is afraid to talk about dreams is not fit to New World. Something like that.
True about Katakuri but in fact he is just an obedient dog of BM and didn't deserve conqueror. Perospero is much more of a conqueror, he even challenge BM orders. Much more fit to her position then Katakuri that left Luffy runaway.
Chinjao really didn't should have conqueror. Guy is a joke.
There is a bunch of people around the series that fits to have conqueror. Arlong once stated that he could conqueror the world with the help of Nami. Krieg much likely wanted it too since he had 5 thousand men in his fleet. Enel who took a beating from Luffy and moments after was going to the moon anyway(Luffy didn't break his opponents dreams, he simply doesn't kill them).
Some people didnt like the criteria of "Ambition to be a King" when I created this thread. My point was based on Chinjao's Statement:
This chapter King said it again once Zoro unlocked his AdCoC:
The scanlators were more direct with their translation. Some translated, "So you also have kingly ambitions?"
Right now, the "ambition to be a king" seems to be the most important out of all the criteria I posted in the original post.
Chinjao's statement:
Chijao asked Luffy, "What king do you seek to be?"
This statement implies the CoC users are typically aiming for a title/throne. Thats why the next criteria can be =>
5) ambition to be a king
Chijao asked Luffy, "What king do you seek to be?"
5) ambition to be a king
Right now, the "ambition to be a king" seems to be the most important out of all the criteria I posted in the original post.
Some people didnt like the criteria of "Ambition to be a King" when I created this thread. My point was based on Chinjao's Statement:
This chapter King said it again once Zoro unlocked his AdCoC:
The scanlators were more direct with their translation. Some translated, "So you also have kingly ambitions?"
Right now, the "ambition to be a king" seems to be the most important out of all the criteria I posted in the original post.
This chapter King said it again once Zoro unlocked his AdCoC:
Right now, the "ambition to be a king" seems to be the most important out of all the criteria I posted in the original post.
All he said is "do you want to be some kind of king or something?"