General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Adam 🍎]

I don't see Carot joining. She got 0 screen time in Wano and barely any in WCI. Meanwhile Yamato is slowly but surely rising to the occasion

 

[Sigran101]

I mean, Oda can make every character as strong or weak as he likes, vivis no exception. Power levels aren’t an issue with Odas way of boosting and weakening whoever they like.

And it’s stated by the Sun pirates on chapter 830:

“All your big life choices have been for the sake of someone else.” He did not choose to be the captain himself, he did it because he wanted to help the former slaves of Mariejoa and fight with them. Joining Luffys crew is one of the only “selfish” choices Jinbe made in his life.
As for surgeon vs Doctor realistically they’re different but when Laws own role is that of a “ships doctor” it’s still watering down the role of Chopper

You misunderstand. I'm not gatekeeping Vivi, I'm asking for ideas on how she could be made strong enough to be a real strawhat. Maybe she will get Kuma's fruit?

Doing something for someone else =/= doing something out of necessity.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You misunderstand. I'm not gatekeeping Vivi, I'm asking for ideas on how she could be made strong enough to be a real strawhat. Maybe she will get Kuma's fruit?

Doing something for someone else =/= doing something out of necessity.

I feel like she never stopped training. Her reintroduction included her jumping off the crowsnest of her ship and landing perfectly. Im Not entirely sure on what her strength will be, but I do think Oda will make her a threat like Usopp Nami and Chopper.

And sorry misspoke then, he did it for others not himself. Not quite sure what the word for that is.

 

[jordin]

I highly doubt Oda's direction for Law is for him to join the crew. Ignoring the dozens of times he rejected following Luffy's orders, Law has been portrayed as one of the leading pirates of the next generation with his own crew that he deeply cares for just like Luffy and Kid. We see how much he missed being with them and now he'll leave them again in the same arc to join another? The same crew that can barely function on their own without him?

 

[Sigran101]

I highly doubt Oda's direction for Law is for him to join the crew. Ignoring the dozens of times he rejected following Luffy's orders, Law has been portrayed as one of the leading pirates of the next generation with his own crew that he deeply cares for just like Luffy and Kid. We see how much he missed being with them and now he'll leave them again in the same arc to join another? The same crew that can barely function on their own without him?

The problem is that Law's crew is nothing but fodder. He may as well just go solo like Hawkeyes. They're worse than fodder in fact, they're a liability, like when they got captured by Hawkins. Law can't get to Raftel with that crew. He can't be a Yonko. If anything he may send them home to protect them since they are clearly not strong enough for the opponents they're fighting.

As far as getting mad about Luffy giving orders, it's reminding me more of Sanji at Baratie than anything else. Luffy has been ordering Law around since Dressrosa. Why is he only now making a gag out of it? Imo it's forshadowing of him joining the crew.

He also does not coubt as a rival to Luffy since their dreams do not contradict. Law doesn't want to be Pirate King, he just wants to learn the meaning of the will of D, a dream that requires him to sail on the Sunny.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The problem is that Law's crew is nothing but fodder. He may as well just go solo like Hawkeyes. They're worse than fodder in fact, they're a liability, like when they got captured by Hawkins. Law can't get to Raftel with that crew. He can't be a Yonko. If anything he may send them home to protect them since they are clearly not strong enough for the opponents they're fighting.

As far as getting mad about Luffy giving orders, it's reminding me more of Sanji at Baratie than anything else. Luffy has been ordering Law around since Dressrosa. Why is he only now making a gag out of it? Imo it's forshadowing of him joining the crew.

He also does not coubt as a rival to Luffy since their dreams do not contradict. Law doesn't want to be Pirate King, he just wants to learn the meaning of the will of D, a dream that requires him to sail on the Sunny.

Hey let’s be patient on laws crew. They’ve survived the new world just like kidds crew and I wouldn’t be shocked if bepo in his sulong form is just as powerful as Killer.

Lets be honest outside of Killer, Kids crew is all fodder too.

 

[Ballel]

The problem is that Law's crew is nothing but fodder. He may as well just go solo like Hawkeyes. They're worse than fodder in fact, they're a liability, like when they got captured by Hawkins. Law can't get to Raftel with that crew. He can't be a Yonko. If anything he may send them home to protect them since they are clearly not strong enough for the opponents they're fighting.

As far as getting mad about Luffy giving orders, it's reminding me more of Sanji at Baratie than anything else. Luffy has been ordering Law around since Dressrosa. Why is he only now making a gag out of it? Imo it's forshadowing of him joining the crew.

He also does not coubt as a rival to Luffy since their dreams do not contradict. Law doesn't want to be Pirate King, he just wants to learn the meaning of the will of D, a dream that requires him to sail on the Sunny.

He'll join the grand fleet at best. Oda won't abandon his crew esp.not Bepo who is too popular.

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Lets be honest outside of Killer, Kids crew is all fodder too.

True

 

[jordin]

The problem is that Law's crew is nothing but fodder. He may as well just go solo like Hawkeyes. They're worse than fodder in fact, they're a liability, like when they got captured by Hawkins. Law can't get to Raftel with that crew. He can't be a Yonko. If anything he may send them home to protect them since they are clearly not strong enough for the opponents they're fighting.

I already said they can barely function on their own lol. Honestly every supernova crew is fodder besides Luffy's so that's not something special to Law. The point I was making is that he's connected to them as much as Luffy is to his own. Law isn't going to abandon them, especially since they have no home to go to like the Sun pirates did.

As far as getting mad about Luffy giving orders, it's reminding me more of Sanji at Baratie than anything else. Luffy has been ordering Law around since Dressrosa. Why is he only now making a gag out of it? Imo it's forshadowing of him joining the crew.

The gag is just an evolution of Luffy not understanding how alliances work. These jokes were made since Punk Hazard and Luffy flat out calls him a nakama in one gag scene in Dressrosa. I don't think its meant to be taken seriously given that there's gag scenes of Luffy asking a dead tree to join his crew and gags around people not following his orders too. It's not unique to just Law.

He also does not coubt as a rival to Luffy since their dreams do not contradict. Law doesn't want to be Pirate King, he just wants to learn the meaning of the will of D, a dream that requires him to sail on the Sunny.

I never said they were rivals. They're portrayed to be the leaders of the next pirate era and Law can't exactly be a leader under one of their flags.

 

[Sigran101]

I already said they can barely function on their own lol. Honestly every supernova crew is fodder besides Luffy's so that's not something special to Law. The point I was making is that he's connected to them as much as Luffy is to his own. Law isn't going to abandon them, especially since they have no home to go to like the Sun pirates did.

The gag is just an evolution of Luffy not understanding how alliances work. These jokes were made since Punk Hazard and Luffy flat out calls him a nakama in one gag scene in Dressrosa. I don't think its meant to be taken seriously given that there's gag scenes of Luffy asking a dead tree to join his crew and gags around people not following his orders too. It's not unique to just Law.

I never said they were rivals. They're portrayed to be the leaders of the next pirate era and Law can't exactly be a leader under one of their flags.

Law may disband the crew for their own safety. He's smart. Surely he knows he can't achieve his dream with the Heart Pirates.

It may be a recurring gag, but it doesn't mean he won't join. Like I mentioned, Sanji had the same gag. I'm not sure what the thriller bark trees have to do with it.

And fair enough. A lot of people say that, so I just assumed that's what you meant. But there are already supernovas who are subordinates. Law can be one too.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Wamato joining ; carrot and sanji fans tremble in fear

 

[jordin]

Law may disband the crew for their own safety. He's smart. Surely he knows he can't achieve his dream with the Heart Pirates.

This logic can apply to every other supernova. Why does Kid think he can achieve his dream when all of his crew are no names besides Killer and he has to compete with the Straw Hat pirates, who just got a warlord and soon a yonko's daughter? If these characters were running purely off logic and only cared for achieving their dream above all else, they would all join Luffy's crew. That isn't the case since Law and Kid love the crew they built up the same as Luffy does with his own. Oda wouldn't show the close bond they have with them if this wasn't true.

It may be a recurring gag, but it doesn't mean he won't join. Like I mentioned, Sanji had the same gag. I'm not sure what the thriller bark trees have to do with it.

My point was that the gag scenes =/= proof Law is being foreshadowed to join but I won't fight on this.

And fair enough. A lot of people say that, so I just assumed that's what you meant. But there are already supernovas who are subordinates. Law can be one too.

I was referring to Yamato's quote about the rooftop nova trio. It specifically is about Law, Kid and Luffy leading the next pirate era. That's the trio Oda has been keeping since Sabaody. It's not just any supernova.

 

[Sigran101]

This logic can apply to every other supernova. Why does Kid think he can achieve his dream when all of his crew are no names besides Killer and he has to compete with the Straw Hat pirates, who just got a warlord and soon a yonko's daughter? If these characters were running purely off logic and only cared for achieving their dream above all else, they would all join Luffy's crew. That isn't the case since Law and Kid love the crew they built up the same as Luffy does with his own. Oda wouldn't show the close bond they have with them if this wasn't true.

My point was that the gag scenes =/= proof Law is being foreshadowed to join but I won't fight on this.

I was referring to Yamato's quote about the rooftop nova trio. It specifically is about Law, Kid and Luffy leading the next pirate era. That's the trio Oda has been keeping since Sabaody. It's not just any supernova.

Because the other novas won't achieve their dreams. Kid is not going to become the pirate king, so he doesn't have to have a real crew. He's just arrogant enough to try. Almost all the other novas have given up and become subordinates because they know they have lost. Surely Law will achieve his dream, and he is smart enough to know he needs Luffy to do it. He is not a pirate in order to spend quality time with his friends.

I agree the gag proves nothing, I'm just arguing it doesn't mean he won't join either.

Fair point there, but imo there's so much going for Law that I believe in him anyway.

 

[jordin]

Because the other novas won't achieve their dreams. Kid is not going to become the pirate king, so he doesn't have to have a real crew. He's just arrogant enough to try. Almost all the other novas have given up and become subordinates because they know they have lost. Surely Law will achieve his dream, and he is smart enough to know he needs Luffy to do it. He is not a pirate in order to spend quality time with his friends.

Of course he knows he needs Luffy. That's why he made the alliance in the first place lol. Law knows cause of Robin that he needs to get the red poneglyphs from all four emperors so all he has to do is simply continue with the alliance. It's not a requirement for him to join in order to tag along with Luffy.

 

[Sigran101]

Of course he knows he needs Luffy. That's why he made the alliance in the first place lol. Law knows cause of Robin that he needs to get the red poneglyphs from all four emperors so all he has to do is simply continue with the alliance. It's not a requirement for him to join in order to tag along with Luffy.

I disagree. Luffy is generous, but not so generous as to give another pirate crew a free ticket to Raftel. He'd be sharing the achievment with Law. If it's two pirate crews that make it there together, there might as well be two pirate kings. The only way Law is getting to raftel is as a strawhat.

And Robin was not the reason for the alliance. Law's goal was simply to take down Doflamingo, not reach raftel.

 

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[Sir Yasheen]

Of course he knows he needs Luffy. That's why he made the alliance in the first place lol. Law knows cause of Robin that he needs to get the red poneglyphs from all four emperors so all he has to do is simply continue with the alliance. It's not a requirement for him to join in order to tag along with Luffy.

Nah Law isn’t the type to just tag along. Laws smart but he still has his own pride. Law has never taken “the easy route” even if it’s the smart play.

 

[Sigran101]

Nah Law isn’t the type to just tag along. Laws smart but he still has his own pride. Law has never taken “the easy route” even if it’s the smart play.

Exactly. Joining the Strawhats and admitting he's lost keeps his pride intact more than accepting charity from his rival in order to achieve his dream.

 

[jordin]

I disagree. Luffy is generous, but not so generous as to give another pirate crew a free ticket to Raftel. He'd be sharing the achievment with Law. If it's two pirate crews that make it there together, there might as well be two pirate kings. The only way Law is getting to raftel is as a strawhat.

You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not implying Law is sticking with Luffy until the end of the story. He would keep up the alliance until he gets the copies of the poneglyphs he needs. Robin had no problems sharing info with Law and as she said, Luffy doesn't even care about it.

That Luffy point falls apart as well since he considers Law his friend. He doesn't think of him as a rival like he does with Kid or anyone else competing for the pirate king title. I'm not arguing Law's staying with him to laugh tale though so no need to care about this point.

And Robin was not the reason for the alliance. Law's goal was simply to take down Doflamingo, not reach raftel.

I brought up Robin to explain his current goal. Idk why you tied that as me explaining the alliance when my first sentence already did that.

 

[Sigran101]

You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not implying Law is sticking with Luffy until the end of the story. He would keep up the alliance until he gets the copies of the poneglyphs he needs. Robin had no problems sharing info with Law and as she said, Luffy doesn't even care about it.

That Luffy point falls apart as well since he considers Law his friend. He doesn't think of him as a rival like he does with Kid or anyone else competing for the pirate king title. I'm not arguing Law's staying with him to laugh tale though so no need to care about this point.

I brought up Robin to explain his current goal. Idk why you tied that as me explaining the alliance when my first sentence already did that.

I really don't think Luffy would be fine with Robin giving Law the actual location of raftel though. This isn't just any favor.

He may not be competing with Law, but that doesn't mean he's willing to let him essentially be co-pirate king.

And I misunderstood the last point. I thought you were saying he made the alliance because Luffy was the one with a crewmate who could read the poneglyphs. My bad.

Btw, this is how you discuss opposing viewpoints respectfully people. Take notes from @jordin

 

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