Powers & Abilities How Haki and Logia Abilities work (Explanation for Erkan12 and co.)

[Lor D. Coast]

Did Lerkan take a bath?

 

[Finalbeta]

Did Lerkan take a bath?

:cantseeme:

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

@scoobie3 @HA001 whst happen between with you guys ?

They secretly love each other

Why is everyone hunting Erkan

Because he deserve it
It's like someone who had a sign with "punch me" written on it, the someone is Erkan and people can't stop punching him that's the rule

 

[Monkey D Theories]

why does this even matter?

Aokiji and Akainu both have ACoA and both used ACoA in their fight against each other

 

[Erkan12]

Good to see more butthurted Ladmiral fans They get frustrated.

Imagine a guy who can't read is lecturing others.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...t-trying-against-rayleigh.17647/#post-1926277

Cause he make dumb stalemates about admirals, zoro.

No I made butthurt a lot of lying Ladmiral fans like you and scoobie,
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...t-trying-against-rayleigh.17647/#post-1926277

So Sentomaru was not lying when he said Rayleigh stopped Kizaru, but it was only in that moment that Rayleigh stopped Kizaru, throughout the rest of the fight like i already showed before it was made clear that Sentomaru and the pacifista had everything under control

Sentomaru: ''The Dark King stood in our way. Not even uncle Kizaru could past him. What could we do?''

right here.

Even yonko fans want him to be gone.
@Peroroncino say this guy give yonko fan a bad name.

Lmao, I never even see Peroroncino in Yonko chat, this guy pretends to be a lot of things he also lied about knowing moe;

Peroroncino is lying;
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...oilers-discussion.14451/page-138#post-1478786
Peroroncino is lying 2;
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...stop-copping-please.19593/page-3#post-2192177
This guy casually lies all the time, no different than a Ladmiral fanboy.

 

[The Legend]

My advice is not to give importance to these ...

Erkek and a zolo wanker troll named Herrera and in general to zoLo/mihawk wankers although within the admiral fans there are also zoLo and neckbeard wankers Lmfao


So whatever

Even you can no longer write
zo:holdthisl:o
Because it changes to grandmaster rolfmao

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Nami hurt Monet's snow body with heat. I mean, I have doubts regarding Sakazuki and Kuzan because they both have high class elemments and they're both experienced users, so I don't think the former can achieve enough heat to counter the latter's cold and vice versa, but this:

If Akainu engulfs Aokiji in Magma, if Aokiji let's it happen then his body will melt and afterwards he would simply rebuild himself

Is a baseless assumption. Monet certainly didn't seem to not suffer from her body being melted by heat.

Also:

The other instance where a Logia User was hurt without haki was possible by negating the properties of the logia fruit and that was Rubber vs Lightning.

You forgot Crocodile and water.

On top of this, Oda cleared up no "counter" in SBS 79, he simply detailed what fruits are inherently superior to others, but this isn't a matter of countering them; in this sense, nothing supports that Baby 5's blades are better than Bonez, her fruit's superiority only comes from her ability to turn into more weapons apart from just blades.

Nowhere that SBS supports that the Magu Magu would be no counter of the Hie Hie.

 

[scoobie3]

Nami hurt Monet's snow body with heat. I mean, I have doubts regarding Sakazuki and Kuzan because they both have high class elemments and they're both experienced users, so I don't think the former can achieve enough heat to counter the latter's cold and vice versa, but this:



Is a baseless assumption. Monet certainly didn't seem to not suffer from her body being melted by heat.

Also:



You forgot Crocodile and water.

Iirc Monet didnt take any damage from Nami which is the perfect example.
Monets logia body was affected by heat but her real body didnt receive any damage from it.

True i forgot about croco. Water solidifies sand and makes it's logia properties useless.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Iirc Monet didnt take any damage from Nami which is the perfect example.
Monets logia body was affected by heat but her real body didnt receive any damage from it.

True i forgot about croco. Water solidifies sand and makes it's logia properties useless.

She did, Nami explicitly stated that heat works on her and Monet screamed in pain. Heat did damage Monet even if turned into snow.

 

[Erkan12]

Did Lerkan take a bath?

Why you interested in my bath? You can't join, I already have a girl friend so no thank you.

Why is everyone hunting Erkan

Because I am the greatest destroyer of the L.admiral fanboys and I am the one who made them butthurt most (see the thread that I posted above), didn't you know that? :cheers:

 

[scoobie3]

She did, Nami explicitly stated that heat works on her and Monet screamed in pain. Heat did damage Monet even if turned into snow.

not sure about that
Iirc Zoro even commented about Monet attacking Nami, chopper and Robin because they couldn't use haki to defend themselves.
If you could show me the panel or chapter where this occured you might have a point.

On top of this, Oda cleared up no "counter" in SBS 79, he simply detailed what fruits are inherently superior to others, but this isn't a matter of countering them; in this sense, nothing supports that Baby 5's blades are better than Bonez, her fruit's superiority only comes from her ability to turn into more weapons apart from just blades.

Nowhere that SBS supports that the Magu Magu would be no counter of the Hie Hie.

True since Luffy (Rubber) > Enel (Lightning) was also not there BUT both magma and ice work with heat.
Magma works with very high temperatures and Ice with very low temperatures.
Also both are solid material unlike Fire for example which is mainly gas and has only almost nonexistent amounts of mass.
So the argument that Magma counters Ice because Fire can melt Ice is invalid anyways.

 

[Erkan12]

She did, Nami explicitly stated that heat works on her and Monet screamed in pain. Heat did damage Monet even if turned into snow.

Nami hurt Monet's snow body with heat. I mean, I have doubts regarding Sakazuki and Kuzan because they both have high class elemments and they're both experienced users, so I don't think the former can achieve enough heat to counter the latter's cold and vice versa, but this:



Is a baseless assumption. Monet certainly didn't seem to not suffer from her body being melted by heat.

Also:



You forgot Crocodile and water.

On top of this, Oda cleared up no "counter" in SBS 79, he simply detailed what fruits are inherently superior to others, but this isn't a matter of countering them; in this sense, nothing supports that Baby 5's blades are better than Bonez, her fruit's superiority only comes from her ability to turn into more weapons apart from just blades.

Nowhere that SBS supports that the Magu Magu would be no counter of the Hie Hie.

@comrade maybe he would listen this, since I hurt lomrade-chan's feelings recently he probably won't listen my posts he instead makes damage control threads about me like scoobie does.

 

[The White Crane]

Good to see more butthurted Ladmiral fans They get frustrated.

Imagine a guy who can't read is lecturing others.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...t-trying-against-rayleigh.17647/#post-1926277



No I made butthurt a lot of lying Ladmiral fans like you and scoobie,
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...t-trying-against-rayleigh.17647/#post-1926277



right here.


Lmao, I never even see Peroroncino in Yonko chat, this guy pretends to be a lot of things he also lied about knowing moe;

Peroroncino is lying;
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...oilers-discussion.14451/page-138#post-1478786
Peroroncino is lying 2;
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...stop-copping-please.19593/page-3#post-2192177
This guy casually lies all the time, no different than a Ladmiral fanboy.

Cry.

 

[Finalbeta]

Good to see more butthurted Ladmiral fans They get frustrated.

Imagine a guy who can't read is lecturing others.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...t-trying-against-rayleigh.17647/#post-1926277



No I made butthurt a lot of lying Ladmiral fans like you and scoobie,
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...t-trying-against-rayleigh.17647/#post-1926277



right here.


Lmao, I never even see Peroroncino in Yonko chat, this guy pretends to be a lot of things he also lied about knowing moe;

Peroroncino is lying;
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...oilers-discussion.14451/page-138#post-1478786
Peroroncino is lying 2;
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...stop-copping-please.19593/page-3#post-2192177
This guy casually lies all the time, no different than a Ladmiral fanboy.

Lerkan did you know that following orders doesn't necessarily equate to being inferior?

Akainu followed Sengoku's for instance.

 

[Peroroncino]

Good to see more butthurted Ladmiral fans They get frustrated.

Imagine a guy who can't read is lecturing others.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...t-trying-against-rayleigh.17647/#post-1926277



No I made butthurt a lot of lying Ladmiral fans like you and scoobie,
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...t-trying-against-rayleigh.17647/#post-1926277



right here.


Lmao, I never even see Peroroncino in Yonko chat, this guy pretends to be a lot of things he also lied about knowing moe;

Peroroncino is lying;
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...oilers-discussion.14451/page-138#post-1478786
Peroroncino is lying 2;
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...stop-copping-please.19593/page-3#post-2192177
This guy casually lies all the time, no different than a Ladmiral fanboy.

everyone knows moe lerkan he wasn't just on WG now go take a bath you bf is back

 

[Zowo]

@God Tier Sovereignty is the Lerkan from admiral side:cantseeme:

 

[Peroroncino]

''this thread isn't meant to expose anyone's stupidity''
Thread: Has Erkan's name on it

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

You need both elemental abilities and haki to hurt another Logia user. For example, Ace vs Smoker, that fight would be endless unless either of them uses haki against each others.

yup this fight i think perfectly illustrates your point
but you didnt have to call out erkan like that @scoobie3

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

not sure about that
Iirc Zoro even commented about Monet attacking Nami, chopper and Robin because they couldn't use haki to defend themselves.
If you could show me the panel or chapter where this occured you might have a point.

It's chapter 686. The page:

Spoiler

Zoro doesn't mention haki. Monet was targeting Nami while she was carrying a Chopper who couldn't move after Monster Point, hence why Zoro lectured her on attacking the weak and vulnerable.

It is pretty much undeniable that heat did work against Monet, in my opinion. If Nami explicitly states that heat works and Monet screams in pain because of it, then she's probably hurt beyond her body snow. Otherwise, what does even mean for it "to work" if it's just melting snow with no other effect like any other non-haki technique would do? Nami even tells Monet to better keep her distance —why, if heat balls are useless?

True since Luffy (Rubber) > Enel (Lightning) was also not there BUT both magma and ice work with heat.
Magma works with very high temperatures and Ice with very low temperatures.
Also both are solid material unlike Fire for example which is mainly gas and has only almost nonexistent amounts of mass.
So the argument that Magma counters Ice because Fire can melt Ice is invalid anyways.

As I said, I agree that the Magu Magu doesn't counter the Hie Hie nor vice versa. But let's take into account that, if heat does hurt Monet's Yuki Yuki, then she will be probably damaged by the Mera Mera fire alone. And, considering that the Magu Magu is inherently better than the Mera Mera while the Hie Hie is inherently better than the Yuki Yuki, Oda could easily defend that Magu Magu > Hie Hie > Mera Mera > Yuki Yuki in terms of elemmental interaction. Interestingly enough, Ace's fire clashed equally with Kuzan's ice in Marineford while Sakazuki's magma engulfed the former's fire and melted with ease the ice Jozu threw at him.

Again, I don't think this will be the case because they're both top class logia and experienced users, so Kuzan can probably reach a temperature low enough to cool magma down (and the other way around). But I don't think it's as obvious as this thread seems to make it.

 

[scoobie3]

It's chapter 686. The page:

Spoiler

Zoro doesn't mention haki. Monet was targeting Nami while she was carrying a Chopper who couldn't move after Monster Point, hence why Zoro lectured her on attacking the weak and vulnerable.

It is pretty much undeniable that heat did work against Monet, in my opinion. If Nami explicitly states that heat works and Monet screams in pain because of it, then she's probably hurt beyond her body snow. Otherwise, what does even mean for it "to work" if it's just melting snow with no other effect like any other non-haki technique would do? Nami even tells Monet to better keep her distance —why, if heat balls are useless?



As I said, I agree that the Magu Magu doesn't counter the Hie Hie nor vice versa. But let's take into account that, if heat does hurt Monet's Yuki Yuki, then she will be probably damaged by the Mera Mera fire alone. And, considering that the Magu Magu is inherently better than the Mera Mera while the Hie Hie is inherently better than the Yuki Yuki, Oda could easily defend that Magu Magu > Hie Hie > Mera Mera > Yuki Yuki in terms of elemmental interaction. Interestingly enough, Ace's fire clashed equally with Kuzan's ice in Marineford while Sakazuki's magma engulfed the former's fire and melted with ease the ice Jozu threw at him.

Again, I don't think this will be the case because they're both top class logia and experienced users, so Kuzan can probably reach a temperature low enough to cool magma down (and the other way around). But I don't think it's as obvious as this thread seems to make it.

Like i thought and said it didn't do anything to her.
Nami dispersed her snow form with heat but it didn't damage her real body.
Well obviously if you can disperse her snow form by melting it it will delay her and push her back cause she has to regenerate it, that's why Nami says "It works".
You can clearly see in the panel Nami blew up her entire arm with the heat ball yet you can also clearly see that the snow is forming around it like it is only being dispersed.
If it truly affected her real body then her entire arm would've been gone...
Also there are no burn marks on her as well as neither blood nor bruises...
The "kyaa" seems more like a "surprised" reaction not a "being in pain" reaction.

The panel you provided is actual clear evidence that heat did in fact NOT affect her real body at all.
Monet rebuilt/regenerated her arm without problems that wouldn't be possible if actual damage to her real body was caused.

Here she gets cut in half with haki and doesn't regenerate from it, also you can see in that panel that there is no snow forming/dispersing around the cut part because haki bypassed the intangibility.

So in conclusion if the mera mera melts Monet without haki she will just regenerate/rebuild herself in the same fashion, nothing suggests otherwise.
So the same logic also applies to when Akainu and Aokiji hit each other without haki.

The reason why fire can melt ice easier than Magma is because magma is heated liquified rock with a lot of mass whereas fire is heated gas without any mass.
If you try to melt ice with flames it will melt a lot faster than when you put lava on it, in fact depending on the amount of ice putting magma on it doesn't even allow the ice to be melted entirely since the magma will be cooled down at some point.
Experiments from youtube:
Flames vs Ice
Lava vs Ice: (Also keep in mind this is a much more liquified version of it, Akainu's Magma is more solid than this)