General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Electricmastro]

That stowaway excuse again? This is not good excuse for being absence throughout Wano arc. It would feel ridiculously cheap that anyone could do that. Fans would feel terribly upset rightfully so. That she had not done anything up until this point or change the tide of war. As well most her personal conflicts have already been resolved by non strawhat members. So, there is no incentive for her to continue further with them.

It would feel unrewarded because she did not show signs of importance within the arc like earlier strawhats were throughout the Grand Line. Carrot is already friends with half of the crew why can’t she asks luffy for herself? She does not have to sneak onboard their ship to get notice because that would cheapen the finalization for the last strawhat because she had not conducted anything throughout wano.




What about Vivi sneaking on board huh? There is bit of difference between Carrot vs. Vivi’s situation. Even though Vivi weaker by comparison. Vivi situation has simply been talk about ever since Dressrosa and throughout Reverie arc. Her family being the traitors to the world government could lead to interesting storylines down the road. Vivi is there as for her own protection than again you can have her be there be working under the Revolutionaries.



I am still for Yamato joining the the crew.



Yamato has abandoned momo not just once but twice in the same raid in order serve for Luffy sake. Yamato is a person is very impulsive and impatient character she does not want to babysit Momo. She has said, five times already of leaving this place going out to sea get much stronger than she is now. She has never said anything about wanted to serve under Momo. Throwing the explosives cuffs that bind her to this island and defeating the person who had hinder her progress. It means to us as fans that she has enough motivation set sail with the strawhats to help them further on their journey. Knowing about Luffy hidden goal and ambition could lead to some interesting interaction down the line. The fact that her father called her out always being alone, she had no friends, anyone who shows her compassion wind up dead. It does remind us as fans how the other strawhats were like in their own personal lives. In the raid both Jimbei and Sanji say Luffy he should reserve energy against main threat at hand meaning in future battles Luffy will solely focused on the captain. If he does lose the fight again. His crew members must hold off that person off for the time being until he recovers. When wano arc is over wano practically it is going to be under Luffy’s territory from now on. Which means Luffy allies will protect for him. The enemies there going to face from now on are going to be much stronger than the earlier one. That is how one piece usually goes. So why not take strong fighter who you free from their predicament. This arc also centers around a character who will manage carrying on oden’s will. During the oden’s flashback Roger’s does say there will be someone will surpass them. Ace could not do it because he is dead. Momo still has a mind of child and none of the nine scabbards are interested in going on adventure. So, why not take someone who is an outcast, someone who could continue oden ideals with them and someone who has been close off from rest of the world for 28 years. It also relates to one of Luffy’s other goals of gathering crew that could surpass Shanks one day. There you go
throughout wano.

I get the feeling a big thing missing at this point is a stronger purpose. After Oden mentioned the whole world waiting for a certain figure and Kaidou speculating Luffy could be Joy Boy, then maybe Yamato thinks Luffy could be the next Joy Boy, which might key into her post-Wano purpose.

 

[Staticshadic]

Stowaway is not an excuse, it's the most probable option for Carrot joining the crew. This can be said because of how Carrot was reintroduce with the story, how Oda managed the Mink during Oden's flashback, the character arc of Carrot and her characterization. Again, this is not "an excuse", this is what is the most LIKELY to happen. Period.

Secondly, it wouldn't feel cheap as this was prepared throughly by Oda multiple time as a gag and a likely possibility. It would only feel cheap for those who don't read or don't know the story. Remember that we are not talking about Carrot integrating the crew as a member of the strawhat, but as a simple crewmember, a stowaway. Carrot will need something more after that.

Thirdly (and for the LAST time) Carrot's conflict has NOT been resolved yet. You don't get a conflict resolve only because the guy you hate has been beaten, that's cheap writing (and cheap understanding), you get your conflict resolved when you confront your own weaknesses and beat them. For Carrot it has not happened yet.

Fourth, Carrot is not an asker, it's a taker. This can be said because of her characterization. Carrot was not depicted asking she always takes the road she WANTS to take. So if Carrot wants to go on the Sunny, it is very unlikely that she simply ask Luffy. Like all the strawhats, Carrot is a free spirit, she will make her way up there by herself.

The whole point of the stowaway action, is the surprise it will bring. So no, it is not a question of being rewarding, it's a question of stayin in CHARACTER.

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FIFTH.. Vivi sneaking anboard enter in conflict with Vivi's characterization. Vivi is a respectable princess, and she will most likely ask for Luffy to join (or be forced to join them if it needs to happen). Remember, you can't just applie what you want on a character, it has to be in synch with the development and characterization of said Character. That's why:

Franky was forced to join, he would not ask (too proud), and not sneak in
Zoro joined by respect and consequences
Nami was first teaming up
Usopp had to be told that he was part of the crew
etc.

Each character have their own characterization. If you don't take those characterizations and development/character traits into account, you will just theorize a cheap situation.

What has carrot conducted beside saving Marco throughout wano arc? As of right now Carrot has not done much anything important to change tied of the war for the ally’s side. When you say carrot all she needs to do is be stowaway again it shows me you have little faith she will join the crew and your afraid Yamato will steel her 10th spot.



What personal conflicts does carrot need resolve? That strawhats can help her with rather than doing it alone? If all enemies that have affected in her in the past have already been dealt with by non strawhat members what is the point to continuing with them? This like you are asking Rebecca or Paulie to join the crew

Cat viper and Dog storm have already defeated Jack and perospero. So, her situation ends being remarkably like Rebecca in that regard. The fact oda completely off screen her battle against the person that her mentor figure could not finish off and we did not get any other information surrounding her relationship with her mentor. It is not helping her case of joining the crew.



It is true Franky never ask himself to join the crew he was force join the strawhats. What you forget before he joined the crew. Throughout entire water seven and Enies lobby arc. Franky was getting flesh out throughout the arc as it went on. At the same time, his fight was not off screen we got see his powers on full display. On top of that he was more significantly helpful throughout arc. Without his involvement the strawhats would have lost Robin. He was able to make a ship for them as a bonus. It was Franky’s family that push him to go with the strawhats because they could not protect him themselves. His dream ship that he built can finally be realized.



Carrot has one thing common with Franky that is history with with strawhats”. However, during wano arc she is completely sideline and has been to the background. Fans were expecting Carrot to get shine throughout wano. Instead, act 1, yes, she was with whole cake island group but didn’t do much anything. Act 2 she was rest minks while other strawhats were causing ruckus and steer throughout the land. Act 3 she teams up with Nami take one big mom’s homies. As well she teams up with Wanda to take down perospero to avenge pedero. As we continue through act 3 we did not see any other information surrounding her character neither did we see her fight on full display.



It is fine to take lost you can grow from that. But the fact is none of the strawhats came to defend her integrity and her fight was off screen it really takes away from her chance being a main character among them. Do you know any strawhat before they join the crew that were sideline, in their fight was skip over? Jimbei fight was skip over during Ace’s flashback. AS for nami she didn’t get fight Until alabasta. In the present we saw Jimbei fought against Moriah. We saw Jimbei team up with sanji against Wastumi. During the raid we saw him fight alongside with all the strawhats at the tori gate. AS well the fact we saw Jimbei fight against who’s who. Jimbei had been flesh out quite a lot throughout involvement with them. From his role, personality, and his backstory. it is true nami was not fighter among crew at the time. But she did try help strawhats only temporarily moments in the story. Unlike carrot Nami character was getting more flesh out as time went on before arlong park even after arlong park.

 

[jordin]

I see where you're coming from, though I can personally see what Nekomamushi says here becoming important later.

Basically, I see this line from Nekomamushi being tied in to Carrot's redemption in some way. In my mind, one of the potential redemption moments I can see happening with Carrot is her overcoming the luck based draw backs of Sulong via power-up. Something that will make Carrot consistently useful and stronger in general.

This thought started when a little after I saw this line from Nekomamushi. One can see it as a confirmation that Carrot is done fighting. I see it as a potential reminder to the audience that Carrot can still fight with Sulong. She has recovered from her fight with Perospero.

To add to this, I found it interesting how Nekomamushi almost lost to Perospero the exact same way as Carrot did, only scraping out a win through luck. Carrot's concern during that scene shows us that Nekomamushi was truly in a dire situation.

I see a potential for a Rule of 3s situation happening here, all involving Carrot. The 1st event is an unlucky loss, the 2nd event is a way too close to call lucky win, the 3rd could be the shedding of this reliance of luck to become a more useful asset to the Straw Hat crew.

The reason I think this is that unlike Sanji, Carrot has crossed off a lot of her story points except for one. Which was Pedro's will to see the dawn of the world led by the Straw Hats.

Now this dosen't guarantee anything, but I feel like this could be the motivation for Carrot to join and the catalyst for her redemption. Depending on how the wild cards play out, the Straw Hats could be put in a truly dire situation. This would be the chance that Carrot (or even Yamato tbh) could use.

Honestly, this is more of a hypothesis if anything, though I'm still thinking that the next time we see her might truly determine her fate. Either it will feed on the potential for a rule of 3s situation, or it completley sets up her eventual send off with the Straw Hats.

Wait and see is pretty much the only thing you can say for Carrot at this point so its understandable. There's nothing wrong with holding out for something, even if there's slim chances.

Wrong. Again, I want to talk about this in the future but Oda did narratively set up a base for Carrot's future. In fact it happens right in chapter 1006.

Sigh.. I Guess I will have to explain this here first:

The whole arc of Carrot until now revolved around her appreciation of the sea. Carrot is very naive and mostly appreciative of the world.. so when Pedro died Carrot was attacked directely into the core of her character.

Basically since that moment there was a potential subtext with Carrot "how can the sea be so wonderfull if I loose friends on it?"

Until chapter 1006 it was just a potential subtext as there was no actual clews that this was actually what Carrot was thinking but Oda choosed to make Perospero say those few words :

"Vengeance for Pedro? What did you think would happen ? That you'd waltz into our home and set up a nice little picnic in the territory of the dreaded Big Mom Pirates ?"

By saying that, Oda is directly attacking Carrot's character into her core: Her joy in front of the world, her constant wonder, her naivety.

In basic narration, what Oda did is setup a base for a potential and little character arc (but a very important one, you will understand).

Let's explicit Perospero's words shall we: The first half of his sentence is therefore: "you are too naive and too cheerfull to become a pirate and that's why you won't be able to get over your friends being in danger"

You see the problem ?

1. Perospero is a bad guy, he has been depicted like it and has been acted like it and because of that, what he said to Carrot is actually not what should happen in the near future. Writers tends to make bad guys provoc the protagonists to make them go stronger and to prove that there are wrong. This is also the case here:

2.. Oda here is attacking himself with the opposite message he is trying to convey since the beginning of the story: Being naive and cheerful are actually quite the qualities to become a pirates (hi Luffy) or to sail on the sea, not the opposite.

Then Perospero adds

"[...] you should have stayed in the forest and nibbled at your grass Rabbit!! That's were you belong."

Here you can translate that as "because of what I said you don't belong on the sea, you belong on your island"

This is the most important part of the dialogue. This is a narrative challenge on Carrot related to what Perospero just said:

> Either Perospero is true, and being cheerful and naive is a bad thing to be a pirate and Carrot belong to her island
> Or Perospero is wrong, being cheerful and naive is not a bad thing t to be a pirate and Carrot do has a shot on the seas.

What do you think is the right answer here ?

Of course, the second. That's why I think this defeat for Carrot was actually a little setup to make us (and Carrot) understand that, it's okay to be all cheerful and all, People are gonna get in danger, but that doesn't negate the wonder of the seas. And that should not stop you from wanting adventure.

I think Oda will come back to this actual dialogue, at the very moment when Carrot must make a choice. To be a stowaway again (because she loves adventure) or staying back with the mink on Zou..

And that's why this little dialogue was so important. Rather that diminishing Carrot chances.. it did the opposite, it setupe Carrot as a true pirate and a strawhat.

So let me get this straight: You're using the villain point for Carrot even though Perospero made 0 attacks on her being a pirate or going out to sea. People bring that up with Yamato about Kaido, who specifically says she'll stay in Wano and never leave, but that doesn't apply? I'd like to hear what you can conjure up for this.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

This will be so fun after Wano... Dunno what that guy will say.

Back in the past someone named AGOG at AP was obsessed with Perona... And this guy is similar to him.

fun fact: both of them are already banned. They even got compared each other

 

[vikas]

That last chapter there pretty much setup all the remaining plotpoints on Onigashima and Carrot has nothing to do with any of them.

Help Luffy fight Kaido? Lol.
Help Kid/Law fight Big Mom? Another lol
Yamato and Momo try to hold off the destruction of Onigashima and the FC? Nope, nothing for her there.
Dealing with Orochi and Fujurokujo? No reason for Carrot to be involved
Interact with CP0? Nada
Usopp protects Kin/Kiku? She‘s miles away and doesn’t have anything to do with that either.

collecting souls of dead to ressurect pedro

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

I see where you're coming from, though I can personally see what Nekomamushi says here becoming important later.

Basically, I see this line from Nekomamushi being tied in to Carrot's redemption in some way. In my mind, one of the potential redemption moments I can see happening with Carrot is her overcoming the luck based draw backs of Sulong via power-up. Something that will make Carrot consistently useful and stronger in general.

This thought started when a little after I saw this line from Nekomamushi. One can see it as a confirmation that Carrot is done fighting. I see it as a potential reminder to the audience that Carrot can still fight with Sulong. She has recovered from her fight with Perospero.

To add to this, I found it interesting how Nekomamushi almost lost to Perospero the exact same way as Carrot did, only scraping out a win through luck. Carrot's concern during that scene shows us that Nekomamushi was truly in a dire situation.

I see a potential for a Rule of 3s situation happening here, all involving Carrot. The 1st event is an unlucky loss, the 2nd event is a way too close to call lucky win, the 3rd could be the shedding of this reliance of luck to become a more useful asset to the Straw Hat crew.

The reason I think this is that unlike Sanji, Carrot has crossed off a lot of her story points except for one. Which was Pedro's will to see the dawn of the world led by the Straw Hats.

Now this dosen't guarantee anything, but I feel like this could be the motivation for Carrot to join and the catalyst for her redemption. Depending on how the wild cards play out, the Straw Hats could be put in a truly dire situation. This would be the chance that Carrot (or even Yamato tbh) could use.

Honestly, this is more of a hypothesis if anything, though I'm still thinking that the next time we see her might truly determine her fate. Either it will feed on the potential for a rule of 3s situation, or it completley sets up her eventual send off with the Straw Hats.

as one of the most reasonable Carrot fans, I’m really curious what are your thoughts about these 3 main points to be a Straw Hat:
1. Every single Straw Hat was a co-protagonist who needed the help of the current Straw Hats to finish their personal conflict
2. Every single Straw Hat has their own main villain of the arc, whom in the end got defeated by Luffy with the help of Straw Hats; as the main villain’s underlings got defeated by current Straw Hats / the potential Straw Hat
3. Every single Straw Hat has terrible past which makes them more like a family


let’s admit with the fact that Carrot fulfills none of the points above. Care to elaborate from your POV why Carrot is the only one special to be a Straw Hat without fulfilling any of main points above? Because no Carrot fans can explain so far with proper evidence & facts, but headcanons.

 

[MugiwaraMaster]

Do you think it's possible she might rejoin based on the major incident that happened at the Reverie? I think that would be the perfect excuse for her to come back to the crew if it ends up that the WG are after her head.

It's highly possible to happen. The only other outcome would be the Revolutionaries taking her, but that depends if they didn't escape alone or have to save Sabo. All these things should still be answered post-Wano once Kaidou's crew falls.

Garp hit the nail on the head. She will likely rejoin in the near future and likely as a new member.

 

[Pot Goblin]

as one of the most reasonable Carrot fans, I’m really curious what are your thoughts about these 3 main points to be a Straw Hat:
1. Every single Straw Hat was a co-protagonist who needed the help of the current Straw Hats to finish their personal conflict
2. Every single Straw Hat has their own main villain of the arc, whom in the end got defeated by Luffy with the help of Straw Hats; as the main villain’s underlings got defeated by current Straw Hats / the potential Straw Hat
3. Every single Straw Hat has terrible past which makes them more like a family


let’s admit with the fact that Carrot fulfills none of the points above. Care to elaborate from your POV why Carrot is the only one special to be a Straw Hat without fulfilling any of main points above? Because no Carrot fans can explain so far with proper evidence & facts, but headcanons.

To be completely honest, this question is one I can't really answer right now.

It's a really good, complicated question that I would have to gather my thoughts on for a little bit first. I think I can come up with a legit answer to what you're saying though, eventually (I do have an answer for the 3rd point but I'll save it until I have the rest). I think the issue here is that Carrot is indeed unique compared to other Straw Hats, the hard part is how I properly justify it.

If I could come up with a beginner's hypothesis, it might have something to do with the extreme length of the current saga plus how she has ongoing direct conflicts with two massive groups at the exact same time. The Big Mom Pirates and the Beast Pirates (curious about others' thoughts on this btw). I'll try my best to give proper answers at a later date.

But god damn, you guys really know how to throw the curveballs right away, don't you?

Not that I'm complaining though, it's the reason why I came here in the first place.

 

[Logiko]

What has carrot conducted beside saving Marco throughout wano arc? As of right now Carrot has not done much anything important to change tied of the war for the ally’s side. When you say carrot all she needs to do is be stowaway again it shows me you have little faith she will join the crew and your afraid Yamato will steel her 10th spot.

This question is irrelevant. A strawhat is not included on the base of his action or the impact they have on an arc, but rather on the nature of their characterization.

What I say might make you think that I have little faith in Carrot integrating the crew, but that's because you didn't understand my point. Again, characterization is everything in a story like One Piece. The characters are driven by their development and right now, when almost need NONE more for Carrot to sneak again on the Sunny. That's why I don't need more. it's not a necessity.

What personal conflicts does carrot need resolve? That strawhats can help her with rather than doing it alone? If all enemies that have affected in her in the past have already been dealt with by non strawhat members what is the point to continuing with them? This like you are asking Rebecca or Paulie to join the crew

A personnal conflict, is first and foremost PERSONNAL. It has to be resolved by the characters themself (and sometimes multiple times). Each and every strawhat resolved their own personnal conflict by themself, Luffy was only their to make the job easier. Let me break it down to you for each strawhats:

In my opinion, Zoro's personnal conflict has still yet to be resolved, it revolves (in my thoughts) around guilt and grief. This will most likely be resolved at the very end of the story. But their are other weaknesses that Zoro had to face. Beginning with the fact that he had to accept his owlack of strenght in front of mihawk and not be baffled by it.

Nami's personnal conflict was: Nami was an alone rider for most of her life, she took care of the situation of her village alone. She also choose to not trust anyone in order not to be hurt by it. But after coming back to her village Nami was put in front of her impossibility to do anything by herself. She had to choose between dying at the hands of arlong with her village and asking for help, therefore risking the life of her friends (and I'm starting to tear up just writing about it.. damn that's powerful)

Usopp had to face the consequences of his behavior, having the choice of running away for his life or accepting the consequences and risking his life alone for his village. Later on Usopp was faced with another challenge, he had to face his own pride and apologies to Luffy in order to get back to the Sunny.

Sanji, as one of the most fleshed out strawhats, was also given multiple challenges. First, sanji had to accept that giving up on what you believe was not a good option, this later led to a situation where he had to let go his burden of responsibility over Zeff in order to set sail. And of course Whole cake happen and with that, the greatest challenge of Sanji. sanji had to accept the risk of helping Luffy and telling him the whole truth in order to save everyone. (in a way, a similar character arc like Nami's, but somewhat different)

Chopper had to accept that he was not a monster that people should fear and leave in order to quit Drum. Later on, Chopper ironicly accepted and apprioriate for himself the term "monster" in order to help Luffy, showing that way that his confidence had grown with him.

Robin's conflict was pretty simple. She needed to accept to live on and believe in her friends.

Franky had to let go his responsibilities as a Big Aniki in order to sail out. (Note that Franky's conflict is more of a long term thing, he needs to keep his pride over his creation because of what happened to his mentor, that's also why I think we will get something more special with Franky in the future.)

Brook is the least developped strawhat has his interior conflict has really been flesh out to much. But it mostly revolves around the theme of Living, and keeping up the fight until the end and the fullfilment of his promise.

Jinbe had to accept to let go his responsibilities to the fishman pirate in order to leave with Luffy. SOmething he had hard time with..

As you can see, the last three strawhat have not really been flesh out as much as the others. I think it's mostly because of time, it could also meant that development has still yet to come for them but I low key doubt that (except Franky). That is also why I think Carrot development will be quite subtle.

Cat viper and Dog storm have already defeated Jack and perospero. So, her situation ends being remarkably like Rebecca in that regard. The fact oda completely off screen her battle against the person that her mentor figure could not finish off and we did not get any other information surrounding her relationship with her mentor. It is not helping her case of joining the crew.

Like I said. Carrot's personnal conflict doesn't revolve around the defeat of Perospero.

It is true Franky never ask himself to join the crew he was force join the strawhats. What you forget before he joined the crew. Throughout entire water seven and Enies lobby arc. Franky was getting flesh out throughout the arc as it went on. At the same time, his fight was not off screen we got see his powers on full display. On top of that he was more significantly helpful throughout arc. Without his involvement the strawhats would have lost Robin. He was able to make a ship for them as a bonus. It was Franky’s family that push him to go with the strawhats because they could not protect him themselves. His dream ship that he built can finally be realized.

Not really. What really happened for Franky was his introduction and the depiction of his desires, his needs and his goals. Those have been fleshed out for Carrot in whole Cake (even if the goal part should have slighly changed by now)

Carrot has one thing common with Franky that is history with with strawhats”. However, during wano arc she is completely sideline and has been to the background. Fans were expecting Carrot to get shine throughout wano. Instead, act 1, yes, she was with whole cake island group but didn’t do much anything. Act 2 she was rest minks while other strawhats were causing ruckus and steer throughout the land. Act 3 she teams up with Nami take one big mom’s homies. As well she teams up with Wanda to take down perospero to avenge pedero. As we continue through act 3 we did not see any other information surrounding her character neither did we see her fight on full display.

As I already said previously in other posts. Carrot being non present in the story, doesn't negates her chances of being on the ship at the end of Wano. In fact, it reenforce the fact that Oda is repeating the same schematic of Zou with a surprise Carrot at the end.

It is fine to take lost you can grow from that. But the fact is none of the strawhats came to defend her integrity and her fight was off screen it really takes away from her chance being a main character among them. Do you know any strawhat before they join the crew that were sideline, in their fight was skip over? Jimbei fight was skip over during Ace’s flashback. AS for nami she didn’t get fight Until alabasta. In the present we saw Jimbei fought against Moriah. We saw Jimbei team up with sanji against Wastumi. During the raid we saw him fight alongside with all the strawhats at the tori gate. AS well the fact we saw Jimbei fight against who’s who. Jimbei had been flesh out quite a lot throughout involvement with them. From his role, personality, and his backstory. it is true nami was not fighter among crew at the time. But she did try help strawhats only temporarily moments in the story. Unlike carrot Nami character was getting more flesh out as time went on before arlong park even after arlong park.

Same here. The personnal conflict of Carrot doesn't need to be resolved by the strawhat but by Carrot herself. Only Carrot has to accept the hardship of the sea and it's danger.

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as one of the most reasonable Carrot fans, I’m really curious what are your thoughts about these 3 main points to be a Straw Hat:
1. Every single Straw Hat was a co-protagonist who needed the help of the current Straw Hats to finish their personal conflict
2. Every single Straw Hat has their own main villain of the arc, whom in the end got defeated by Luffy with the help of Straw Hats; as the main villain’s underlings got defeated by current Straw Hats / the potential Straw Hat
3. Every single Straw Hat has terrible past which makes them more like a family


let’s admit with the fact that Carrot fulfills none of the points above. Care to elaborate from your POV why Carrot is the only one special to be a Straw Hat without fulfilling any of main points above? Because no Carrot fans can explain so far with proper evidence & facts, but headcanons.

You are still looking at the story backward.

1. A strawhat doesn't need help to resolve her personnal conflict. You are mixing up "fight" and "personnal conflict". Personnal conflicts are what I just wrote above. Those are not conflict that other strawhat have their hands on, only the character in question needs to make the right choice. Sometimes, on their own.

2. Every strawhat are tied to a villain once before they are integrated. But not all the strawhat are tied to a villain before they join. This is a missconception. Sometime (like Robin or Nami), the conflict between the protagonist and the villain comes a long time after the joining part.

3. A strong past does not make a strawhat more like a family. The interactions with the crew does. If it's true that each strawhats have strong backstory (and tragedy) there are no rule saying that those tragedy must be set in the past in a backstory. As I explain multiple time. The purpose of a backstory is to setup three things. "The moral pillar", that will be the guiding light of the character for the whole story.. "The needs" that will put the character in front of a strong personnal conflict during the present time of the story... and "the desire" that will make the character chase something or go after something during the present time of the story.

ALL those three parameters can be set up in the past, but all of them can also be setup in the present. That's what happened with Carrot.

Be careful, because that's not the first time I see you and other uses those biased arguments.

 

[Sigran101]

Wrong. Again, I want to talk about this in the future but Oda did narratively set up a base for Carrot's future. In fact it happens right in chapter 1006.

Sigh.. I Guess I will have to explain this here first:

The whole arc of Carrot until now revolved around her appreciation of the sea. Carrot is very naive and mostly appreciative of the world.. so when Pedro died Carrot was attacked directely into the core of her character.

Basically since that moment there was a potential subtext with Carrot "how can the sea be so wonderfull if I loose friends on it?"

Until chapter 1006 it was just a potential subtext as there was no actual clews that this was actually what Carrot was thinking but Oda choosed to make Perospero say those few words :

"Vengeance for Pedro? What did you think would happen ? That you'd waltz into our home and set up a nice little picnic in the territory of the dreaded Big Mom Pirates ?"

By saying that, Oda is directly attacking Carrot's character into her core: Her joy in front of the world, her constant wonder, her naivety.

In basic narration, what Oda did is setup a base for a potential and little character arc (but a very important one, you will understand).

Let's explicit Perospero's words shall we: The first half of his sentence is therefore: "you are too naive and too cheerfull to become a pirate and that's why you won't be able to get over your friends being in danger"

You see the problem ?

1. Perospero is a bad guy, he has been depicted like it and has been acted like it and because of that, what he said to Carrot is actually not what should happen in the near future. Writers tends to make bad guys provoc the protagonists to make them go stronger and to prove that there are wrong. This is also the case here:

2.. Oda here is attacking himself with the opposite message he is trying to convey since the beginning of the story: Being naive and cheerful are actually quite the qualities to become a pirates (hi Luffy) or to sail on the sea, not the opposite.

Then Perospero adds

"[...] you should have stayed in the forest and nibbled at your grass Rabbit!! That's were you belong."

Here you can translate that as "because of what I said you don't belong on the sea, you belong on your island"

This is the most important part of the dialogue. This is a narrative challenge on Carrot related to what Perospero just said:

> Either Perospero is true, and being cheerful and naive is a bad thing to be a pirate and Carrot belong to her island
> Or Perospero is wrong, being cheerful and naive is not a bad thing t to be a pirate and Carrot do has a shot on the seas.

What do you think is the right answer here ?

Of course, the second. That's why I think this defeat for Carrot was actually a little setup to make us (and Carrot) understand that, it's okay to be all cheerful and all, People are gonna get in danger, but that doesn't negate the wonder of the seas. And that should not stop you from wanting adventure.

I think Oda will come back to this actual dialogue, at the very moment when Carrot must make a choice. To be a stowaway again (because she loves adventure) or staying back with the mink on Zou..

And that's why this little dialogue was so important. Rather that diminishing Carrot chances.. it did the opposite, it setupe Carrot as a true pirate and a strawhat.

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How is her design memorable ? From an artistic stand point:

- Because of her white color
- Because of her blond hair
- Because her outfit is echoing her name, a carrot.
- Because of the way she acts

If you don't think Carrot is memorable, you should take a look at twitter and see how people are joining the One Piece train just because of this character, you can also check the reactions of people or the discussions.. i don't know make a guess.

Carrot makes one of the most memorable thing in the story : a shining nakama action. (link to my blog and a post on this subject)

A shining Nakama action is not just something "you forget" it's one of the most important action a character can make in the story of One Piece. So yeah.. Carrot is ALSO memorable because of her actions.

If you don't see what Carrot's potential is, again.. you should reread whole cake, it's everywhere.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but that analysis is spot on. It does seem like her arc can't be over without proving perospero wrong. Granted this doesn't have to result in her becoming a strawhat, but I agree now, despite peros going down to neko, her arc can't possibly be done.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

This question is irrelevant. A strawhat is not included on the base of his action or the impact they have on an arc, but rather on the nature of their characterization.

What I say might make you think that I have little faith in Carrot integrating the crew, but that's because you didn't understand my point. Again, characterization is everything in a story like One Piece. The characters are driven by their development and right now, when almost need NONE more for Carrot to sneak again on the Sunny. That's why I don't need more. it's not a necessity.




A personnal conflict, is first and foremost PERSONNAL. It has to be resolved by the characters themself (and sometimes multiple times). Each and every strawhat resolved their own personnal conflict by themself, Luffy was only their to make the job easier. Let me break it down to you for each strawhats:

In my opinion, Zoro's personnal conflict has still yet to be resolved, it revolves (in my thoughts) around guilt and grief. This will most likely be resolved at the very end of the story. But their are other weaknesses that Zoro had to face. Beginning with the fact that he had to accept his owlack of strenght in front of mihawk and not be baffled by it.

Nami's personnal conflict was: Nami was an alone rider for most of her life, she took care of the situation of her village alone. She also choose to not trust anyone in order not to be hurt by it. But after coming back to her village Nami was put in front of her impossibility to do anything by herself. She had to choose between dying at the hands of arlong with her village and asking for help, therefore risking the life of her friends (and I'm starting to tear up just writing about it.. damn that's powerful)

Usopp had to face the consequences of his behavior, having the choice of running away for his life or accepting the consequences and risking his life alone for his village. Later on Usopp was faced with another challenge, he had to face his own pride and apologies to Luffy in order to get back to the Sunny.

Sanji, as one of the most fleshed out strawhats, was also given multiple challenges. First, sanji had to accept that giving up on what you believe was not a good option, this later led to a situation where he had to let go his burden of responsibility over Zeff in order to set sail. And of course Whole cake happen and with that, the greatest challenge of Sanji. sanji had to accept the risk of helping Luffy and telling him the whole truth in order to save everyone. (in a way, a similar character arc like Nami's, but somewhat different)

Chopper had to accept that he was not a monster that people should fear and leave in order to quit Drum. Later on, Chopper ironicly accepted and apprioriate for himself the term "monster" in order to help Luffy, showing that way that his confidence had grown with him.

Robin's conflict was pretty simple. She needed to accept to live on and believe in her friends.

Franky had to let go his responsibilities as a Big Aniki in order to sail out. (Note that Franky's conflict is more of a long term thing, he needs to keep his pride over his creation because of what happened to his mentor, that's also why I think we will get something more special with Franky in the future.)

Brook is the least developped strawhat has his interior conflict has really been flesh out to much. But it mostly revolves around the theme of Living, and keeping up the fight until the end and the fullfilment of his promise.

Jinbe had to accept to let go his responsibilities to the fishman pirate in order to leave with Luffy. SOmething he had hard time with..

As you can see, the last three strawhat have not really been flesh out as much as the others. I think it's mostly because of time, it could also meant that development has still yet to come for them but I low key doubt that (except Franky). That is also why I think Carrot development will be quite subtle.



Like I said. Carrot's personnal conflict doesn't revolve around the defeat of Perospero.



Not really. What really happened for Franky was his introduction and the depiction of his desires, his needs and his goals. Those have been fleshed out for Carrot in whole Cake (even if the goal part should have slighly changed by now)






As I already said previously in other posts. Carrot being non present in the story, doesn't negates her chances of being on the ship at the end of Wano. In fact, it reenforce the fact that Oda is repeating the same schematic of Zou with a surprise Carrot at the end.




Same here. The personnal conflict of Carrot doesn't need to be resolved by the strawhat but by Carrot herself. Only Carrot has to accept the hardship of the sea and it's danger.

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You are still looking at the story backward.

1. A strawhat doesn't need help to resolve her personnal conflict. You are mixing up "fight" and "personnal conflict". Personnal conflicts are what I just wrote above. Those are not conflict that other strawhat have their hands on, only the character in question needs to make the right choice. Sometimes, on their own.

2. Every strawhat are tied to a villain once before they are integrated. But not all the strawhat are tied to a villain before they join. This is a missconception. Sometime (like Robin or Nami), the conflict between the protagonist and the villain comes a long time after the joining part.

3. A strong past does not make a strawhat more like a family. The interactions with the crew does. If it's true that each strawhats have strong backstory (and tragedy) there are no rule saying that those tragedy must be set in the past in a backstory. As I explain multiple time. The purpose of a backstory is to setup three things. "The moral pillar", that will be the guiding light of the character for the whole story.. "The needs" that will put the character in front of a strong personnal conflict during the present time of the story... and "the desire" that will make the character chase something or go after something during the present time of the story.

ALL those three parameters can be set up in the past, but all of them can also be setup in the present. That's what happened with Carrot.

Be careful, because that's not the first time I see you and other uses those biased arguments.

Very ironic that you said I look at the story backward while you’re the one who always cling so to WCI arc.

1. One Piece is a shonen manga. Of course the personal conflict will always be dealt by fighting. Is there any arc where the Straw Hats deal with the potential Straw Hat’s personal conflict without fighting the main villain? Stop lying to yourself.
2. And still, again, with Nami & Robin’s case Luffy has always considered them as nakama. What you give here is the perfect example of bad faith argument. And also their main villains where they joined (Buggy & Arlong for Nami, Crocodile & Lucci for Robin) were dealt by Luffy. I can’t believe I have to say this again but both Carrot’s main villains were done & dealt with by non Straw Hats, and Luffy never once said to Carrot that she is his nakama.
3. Still doesn’t change the fact that each Straw Hat share terrible back story which makes them a group of misfits.

Lmao why should I be careful though? It has always been the same way for every single Straw Hat. No need to get easily triggered with 3 absolute points if you can’t answer the main question with proper argument, not mental gymnastics as you usually do.

You can’t still answer the simplest question: “why it has to be special for Carrot’s case?” with the proper evidence in the manga, not with your head canon. Come back when you have the proper answer; although I doubt you have it.

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To be completely honest, this question is one I can't really answer right now.

It's a really good, complicated question that I would have to gather my thoughts on for a little bit first. I think I can come up with a legit answer to what you're saying though, eventually (I do have an answer for the 3rd point but I'll save it until I have the rest). I think the issue here is that Carrot is indeed unique compared to other Straw Hats, the hard part is how I properly justify it.

If I could come up with a beginner's hypothesis, it might have something to do with the extreme length of the current saga plus how she has ongoing direct conflicts with two massive groups at the exact same time. The Big Mom Pirates and the Beast Pirates (curious about others' thoughts on this btw). I'll try my best to give proper answers at a later date.

But god damn, you guys really know how to throw the curveballs right away, don't you?

Not that I'm complaining though, it's the reason why I came here in the first place.

at least you’re being honest that you care to explain that you clearly have no idea. It makes you look way smarter than another Carrot fan who keeps using mental gymnastics, denials, and accusing others having “bad faith arguments” without explaining why, and without giving proper evidence from the canon manga (especially with current saga). We all have been asking the same question over again, but none has answered it with satisfying answer especially following the manga.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but that analysis is spot on. It does seem like her arc can't be over without proving perospero wrong. Granted this doesn't have to result in her becoming a strawhat, but I agree now, despite peros going down to neko, her arc can't possibly be done.

Which can be beautifully done in a cover story...

 

[Logiko]

Very ironic that you said I look at the story backward while you’re the one who always cling so to WCI arc.

1. One Piece is a shonen manga. Of course the personal conflict will always be dealt by fighting. Is there any arc where the Straw Hats deal with the potential Straw Hat’s personal conflict without fighting the main villain? Stop lying to yourself.

2. And still, again, with Nami & Robin’s case Luffy has always considered them as nakama. What you give here is the perfect example of bad faith argument. And also their main villains where they joined (Buggy & Arlong for Nami, Crocodile & Lucci for Robin) were dealt by Luffy. I can’t believe I have to say this again but both Carrot’s main villains were done & dealt with by non Straw Hats, and Luffy never once said to Carrot that she is his nakama.

That's not how stories work. And on that aspect One Piece is really no different than any other story. I'm sorry but here you will just have to listen. A personnal conflict in a story is resolve by the character itself, not by another. If that was the case, there would be no story.

A personnal conflict, like it's named, is an internal struggle between different value or descisions. That's why a personnal conflict is always resolved by a choice between multiple descision. In a good story, those descision are equal in value (for example Sanji had to choose between two bad option: risking the life of his friends but trusting them or risking his own life and risking to lose everything)

Fights, even in shonen, are sometimes what leds to those personnal conflict like in the case of Katakuri's arc during whole cake, but most of the time they are just here to enhance the theme of the arc or to exorcice the violence of it. For example, the personnal conflict of Robin during ennies Lobby was not resolved once Luffy beat Lucci but at the precise moment when Robin took the descision to say "I want to live".

I repeat: In One Piece, personnal conflicts are NEVER resolved by a fight. Even for Zoro.

Nothing here is bad faith argument, it's storytelling in it's purest form. And if you don't like what I am saying, I invite you to read some books on writing theory or even story crafting, there are plenty of good author. Here i'm mainly basing my argumentation on the writings of John Truby for example.

3. Still doesn’t change the fact that each Straw Hat share terrible back story which makes them a group of misfits.

Lmao why should I be careful though? It has always been the same way for every single Straw Hat. No need to get easily triggered with 3 absolute points if you can’t answer the main question with proper argument, not mental gymnastics as you usually do.

You can’t still answer the simplest question: “why it has to be special for Carrot’s case?” with the proper evidence in the manga, not with your head canon. Come back when you have the proper answer; although I doubt you have it.

And Carrot is sharing this aspect too. her story on whole cake island was specifically design to give her everything she needed on that front. Again, there is no mental gymnastic in my argumentation, only what the story ask and say.

Concerning your question “why it has to be special for Carrot’s case?” I already answered it here.

(i'm quoting myself)"

Good question. Why the tenth would not have a backstory (a story set in the past)?

Because of three things:

- Time
- Context
- Story lengh

Those three parameters put together are making the next Nakama as one of the most important revelation we will get in the next dozens of chapters. The hype, the fans theories, thefanbase.. everything is on another level right now.. that's why I think the revelation of the next crewmember should be as surprising as possible.

Remember, backstories are just a tool, what Oda is really working with is something far deeper that that. And that "matter" doesn't need to be set in the past. It can be setup in the present. again read my link where I talk about this in detail. (this is from my blog, i won't copy past my article here, it would be too much)
"

In other word, the next Nakama needs to be a great revelation and the context is so different now from back then (10 years ago) that Oda might need to change slighly the pattern in order to surprise the reader.

at least you’re being honest that you care to explain that you clearly have no idea. It makes you look way smarter than another Carrot fan who keeps using mental gymnastics, denials, and accusing others having “bad faith arguments” without explaining why, and without giving proper evidence from the canon manga (especially with current saga). We all have been asking the same question over again, but none has answered it with satisfying answer especially following the manga.

You should read some storytelling book my dude. It would make you actually look carefully at what I'm telling you and not make you look like... that

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Which can be beautifully done in a cover story...

The pay off being "I'm worthy to go to sea" there is only one option, and it is in the story.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

That's not how stories work. And on that aspect One Piece is really no different than any other story. I'm sorry but here you will just have to listen. A personnal conflict in a story is resolve by the character itself, not by another. If that was the case, there would be no story.

A personnal conflict, like it's named, is an internal struggle between different value or descisions. That's why a personnal conflict is always resolved by a choice between multiple descision. In a good story, those descision are equal in value (for example Sanji had to choose between two bad option: risking the life of his friends but trusting them or risking his own life and risking to lose everything)

Fights, even in shonen, are sometimes what leds to those personnal conflict like in the case of Katakuri's arc during whole cake, but most of the time they are just here to enhance the theme of the arc or to exorcice the violence of it. For example, the personnal conflict of Robin during ennies Lobby was not resolved once Luffy beat Lucci but at the precise moment when Robin took the descision to say "I want to live".

I repeat: In One Piece, personnal conflicts are NEVER resolved by a fight.

Nothing here is bad faith argument, it's storytelling in it's purest form. And if you don't like what I am saying, I invite you to read some books on writing theory or even story crafting, there are plenty of good author. Here i'm mainly basing my argumentation on the writings of John Truby for example.




And Carrot is sharing this aspect too. her story on whole cake island was specifically design to give her everything she needed on that front. Again, there is no mental gymnastic in my argumentation, only what the story ask and say.

Concerning your question “why it has to be special for Carrot’s case?” I already answered it here.

(i'm quoting myself)"

Good question. Why the tenth would not have a backstory (a story set in the past)?

Because of three things:

- Time
- Context
- Story lengh

Those three parameters put together are making the next Nakama as one of the most important revelation we will get in the next dozens of chapters. The hype, the fans theories, thefanbase.. everything is on another level right now.. that's why I think the revelation of the next crewmember should be as surprising as possible.

Remember, backstories are just a tool, what Oda is really working with is something far deeper that that. And that "matter" doesn't need to be set in the past. It can be setup in the present. again read my link where I talk about this in detail. (this is from my blog, i won't copy past my article here, it would be too much)
"

In other word, the next Nakama needs to be a great revelation and the context is so different now from back then (10 years ago) that Oda might need to change slighly the pattern in order to surprise the reader.

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The pay off being "I'm worthy to go to sea" there is only one option, and it is in the story.

And it’s pretty clear that Yamato’s personal conflict is “to go out to the sea & get stronger”. It really isn’t that hard to comprehend.

So your point why Carrot has to be special just because: surprise? Really? And why Oda has to change the pattern to surprise the readers? You said this point, you involuntarily saying that “no need for Oda to develop Carrot’s character, because she’s just for surprise.” Which obviously makes Carrot is one of the worst character in One Piece, as she doesn’t have character development and Oda makes her join for: “surprise.” And again, you’re not answering it with the exact evidence from the story point in manga; and instead you said: “I think the revelation of the next crewmember etc etc” which means that it’s your opinion, and it has nothing to do with the story.

Honestly, I don’t understand the logic of “Carrot’s development will be quite subtle” while in the exact same paragraph, and you said that 3 last Straw Hats are not “fleshed out”. Oda pretty much has given everything for Yamato’s character development because the story is about to reach endgame. Let’s see from the absolute 3 main points.

1. Yamato’s personal conflict. Yamato wants to be like Oden, and follow Oden’s route. Her personal conflict is that her idol was killed by none other than her own father. She was imprisoned for 20 years because of that and she has said multiple times she wants to be free and get stronger
2. Yamato’s main villain is obviously Kaido, and we all know that the story is going that Luffy will defeat Kaido
3. Yamato’s tragic backstory has been exposed. She was forced to fulfill her own father’s plan, and that everyone who cared for her was pretty much gone.

I honestly don’t understand, that 3 strong points above are not good arguments for Yamato joining; while the story itself has always pointed to those 3 points. Every Straw Hat has that, stop lying to yourself about it. And instead, Carrot’s lack of development is a strong point for her joining, because of: surprise…

I’m not going to waste my time opening your link with more theories and head canons. Those have nothing to do with current storyline.

 

[Logiko]

And it’s pretty clear that Yamato’s personal conflict is “to go out to the sea & get stronger”. It really isn’t that hard to comprehend.

From what we know, Yamato's personnal conflict has more something to do with her dad or with Wano.. But again nothing sure and that also one of the reason why Yamato is not that much interesting for me, her real struggle happened years ago, during her rough years.. But as I seeit, it could be a future struggle between her representation of the adventure of the see and other adventure she could have on Wano. Yamato would therefore had to choose two pass:
- Keeping being Oden and having an adventure at sea..
Or
- Being herself and actually staying on Wano by choice and have another type of adventure, more protective this time..

But it's too soon to say for sure.

So your point why Carrot has to be special just because: surprise? Really? And why Oda has to change the pattern to surprise the readers? You said this point, you involuntarily saying that “no need for Oda to develop Carrot’s character, because she’s just for surprise.” Which obviously makes Carrot is one of the worst character in One Piece, as she doesn’t have character development and Oda makes her join for: “surprise.” And again, you’re not answering it with the exact evidence from the story point in manga; and instead you said: “I think the revelation of the next crewmember etc etc” which means that it’s your opinion, and it has nothing to do with the story.

Yes for that point it's my opinion, but I feel like it's the most likely possibility. Remember, neither Carrot nor Yamato had similar flashback as the strawhats, yamato's flash only explained her situation, it setup nothing, same for carrot. That's another reason why I think, Oda is making things different now.

I didn't say that Oda doesn't need to developp Carrot's character, I say that we have enough data - for now - to be certain that Carrot will sneak on the sunny again and that it will be logical with the narration. Of course, the data we have is not enough to make Carrot a strawhat, she will need more, but those data can - now - come after Wano without creating holes in the story.

And the best way to surprise us with the next strawhat for Oda, is to make them lay low for now.

Honestly, I don’t understand the logic of “Carrot’s development will be quite subtle” while in the exact same paragraph, and you said that 3 last Straw Hats are not “fleshed out”. Oda pretty much has given everything for Yamato’s character development because the story is about to reach endgame. Let’s see from the absolute 3 main points.

In fact those two statement are complementary. If you prefer I will say it like this : If we follow the logic of the last 3 strawhats, the development given to the last strawhat will be very subtle.

But yeah on that note I do agree with you that Yamato on the same level of Carrot. We have the clew for her need, we have the clue for a desire (even tho it's not really sure yet) we have a moral pillar. The thing we need now, for either one of them is a clear sentence mentionning that they will fight not with Luffy, but FOR Luffy now. (that's one of the 3 driven forces I'm talking about in this article of my blog, it's very important as it ciments the strawhat into their role as a Nakama)

1. Yamato’s personal conflict. Yamato wants to be like Oden, and follow Oden’s route. Her personal conflict is that her idol was killed by none other than her own father. She was imprisoned for 20 years because of that and she has said multiple times she wants to be free and get stronger

That's not a personnal conflict, that's an external one. We need something deeper, Yamato, at the end of her arc, must make a descision, easy or not.

2. Yamato’s main villain is obviously Kaido, and we all know that the story is going that Luffy will defeat Kaido

I agree on that, and that's why we need that personnal conflict to appear in Wano and not anywhere else (like it could be the case for Carrot) because Kaido is related to everything she believed in.

3. Yamato’s tragic backstory has been exposed. She was forced to fulfill her own father’s plan, and that everyone who cared for her was pretty much gone.

Yes, but the informations given were not enough. It was merely an exposition of the character's past, not a setup for her future struggle.

I honestly don’t understand, that 3 strong points above are not good arguments for Yamato joining; while the story itself has always pointed to those 3 points.

Not the story, the fans. If you really look closely at the story, Yamato will need a lot more that just that (to be considered a mugiwara at the end, she doesn't need that much to join in, like Carrot in fact.)

Every Straw Hat has that, stop lying to yourself it. And instead, Carrot’s lack of development is a strong point for her joining, because of: surprise…

Yes exactly. Carrot has the advantage (right now) of the surprise that Yamato does not. You can thank Oda and the japanese fanbase for that lol

I’m not going to waste my time opening your link with more theories and head canons. Those have nothing to do with current storyline.

You don't have to.. but it's a must if you really want to understand how the story is really crafted. Of course, you will first have to accept that I'm not bullshiting here. My analysis and understanding of it, comes from my knowledge of storytelling, not from my hype for Carrot.

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I can't believe I'm about to say this, but that analysis is spot on. It does seem like her arc can't be over without proving perospero wrong. Granted this doesn't have to result in her becoming a strawhat, but I agree now, despite peros going down to neko, her arc can't possibly be done.

I want to note that Carrot's character arc doesn't need to be finished on Wano. There is a possibility that Carrot comes back to this precise dialogue far later in the story, at a moment when she is in difficulty against another ennemy (now that I think about it, it would make a lot of sence as this is often how Oda does things).

I imagine well Carrot being in front of another ennemy in the future, with the ennemy blabbering the same kind of thing to her "you are too naive, you are too young, you are afraid of losing your friend etc.).. This would actually be a closure for her and a way to become even stronger.

By doing this she would make a real step in becoming a real Mugiwara. *Brb, I'll suggest that to Oda*

 

[thedarkdragon11]

How would you feel if the 11th recruit would turn out to be Weevil?

 

[Drachenblut]

How would you feel if the 11th recruit would turn out to be Weevil?

I believe weevil will join the strawhats

 

[jordin]

And it’s pretty clear that Yamato’s personal conflict is “to go out to the sea & get stronger”. It really isn’t that hard to comprehend.

So your point why Carrot has to be special just because: surprise? Really? And why Oda has to change the pattern to surprise the readers? You said this point, you involuntarily saying that “no need for Oda to develop Carrot’s character, because she’s just for surprise.” Which obviously makes Carrot is one of the worst character in One Piece, as she doesn’t have character development and Oda makes her join for: “surprise.” And again, you’re not answering it with the exact evidence from the story point in manga; and instead you said: “I think the revelation of the next crewmember etc etc” which means that it’s your opinion, and it has nothing to do with the story.

Honestly, I don’t understand the logic of “Carrot’s development will be quite subtle” while in the exact same paragraph, and you said that 3 last Straw Hats are not “fleshed out”. Oda pretty much has given everything for Yamato’s character development because the story is about to reach endgame. Let’s see from the absolute 3 main points.

1. Yamato’s personal conflict. Yamato wants to be like Oden, and follow Oden’s route. Her personal conflict is that her idol was killed by none other than her own father. She was imprisoned for 20 years because of that and she has said multiple times she wants to be free and get stronger
2. Yamato’s main villain is obviously Kaido, and we all know that the story is going that Luffy will defeat Kaido
3. Yamato’s tragic backstory has been exposed. She was forced to fulfill her own father’s plan, and that everyone who cared for her was pretty much gone.

I honestly don’t understand, that 3 strong points above are not good arguments for Yamato joining; while the story itself has always pointed to those 3 points. Every Straw Hat has that, stop lying to yourself about it. And instead, Carrot’s lack of development is a strong point for her joining, because of: surprise…

I’m not going to waste my time opening your link with more theories and head canons. Those have nothing to do with current storyline.

Yamato's personal conflict is more to do with her accepting her bloodline as Kaido's daughter. The flashback shown that her dilemma is between what she wants to be (Oden) and who she's from (Kaido). One of the arc's main themes is coming to terms with heritage after all. There's also the added plotline where Onis are seen as heartless brutes that aren't meant to be friends with humans. Thats why Yamato's character arc is more about gaining the defining character trait of Oden, which was doing what he believed in regardless of how bad others treated him.

If my predictions are right, Yamato is gonna be blamed for the island coming apart since she'll be carrying the explosives without explaining it to anyone. It parallels how Oden was blamed for the Mountain God incident since he carried the boar without telling why. That's where she'll have her personal conflict on the spotlight and she has to carry out her mission despite how the samurai view her. It also makes the best use of the fact that no one in the alliance side knows her.

 

[Finalbeta]

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[JoSeungHun7335]

Yamato's personal conflict is more to do with her accepting her bloodline as Kaido's daughter. The flashback shown that her dilemma is between what she wants to be (Oden) and who she's from (Kaido). One of the arc's main themes is coming to terms with heritage after all. There's also the added plotline where Onis are seen as heartless brutes that aren't meant to be friends with humans. Thats why Yamato's character arc is more about gaining the defining character trait of Oden, which was doing what he believed in regardless of how bad others treated him.

If my predictions are right, Yamato is gonna be blamed for the island coming apart since she'll be carrying the explosives without explaining it to anyone. It parallels how Oden was blamed for the Mountain God incident since he carried the boar without telling why. That's where she'll have her personal conflict on the spotlight and she has to carry out her mission despite how the samurai view her. It also makes the best use of the fact that no one in the alliance side knows her.

Great points made. Yamato has more interesting personal conflict for readers to explore, rather than just for “surprise” factor. Her personal conflict also can be carried for further plot. Her being an oni and also a Straw Hat, makes Straw Hats really as force to be reckoned with.

And again, we’re about to reach the endgame now. Oda doesn’t have that much time for character developments again, that’s why he’s focused so much on Yamato.