General & Others Why does Luffy deserve to be captain?

ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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Albino 👑 said:
Without meeting luffy he more than likely wouldn't progress as much as he did both distance wise or strength wise
Before meeting luffy and then mihawk zoro was too cocky for his own good and it likely would have got him killed without strawhat plot armor. He likely wouldn't have been able to find his way out the east blue without getting lost if we being honest 🗿
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Umm Mihawk not killing Zoro had nothing to do wiht Luffy at all. He didn't kill Zoro because he saw Zoro was destined for greatness and that greatness would have been achieved with or without Luffy.

Zoro can become WSS without Luffy but Luffy can not become Pirate King without Zoro
 
Albino 👑

Albino 👑

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ShishioIsBack said:
Umm Mihawk not killing Zoro had nothing to do wiht Luffy at all. He didn't kill Zoro because he saw Zoro was destined for greatness and that greatness would have been achieved with or without Luffy.

Zoro can become WSS without Luffy but Luffy can not become Pirate King without Zoro
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He wouldn't have met mihawk at that point in time without luffy

Zoro would have been killed by helmeppo without luffy so probably not
 
Albino 👑

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ShishioIsBack said:
Is that really far fetched.
Ace unlocked CoC when those bandits were gonna kill him.
Luffy awakened it in Marine Ford
The meaning of Conqueror's is that they are destined for greatness and Zoro is that. So why is it so far fetched that his CoC won't release when he is pushed to edge?
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Having conquerors doesn't automatically save you from every life and death situation like how ace didn't use conquerors before he was about to die in marineford or luffy didnt use it in louge town

Lets say he does unlock it in the moment hes still tied up and starving if any of them dont get ko'd or get back up they still kill him
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Point is luffys the captain because hes the only one fit of that role. The others could mske their own crews and they still wouldn't compare
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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Albino 👑 said:
Having conquerors doesn't automatically save you from every life and death situation like how ace didn't use conquerors before he was about to die in marineford or luffy didnt use it in louge town

Lets say he does unlock it in the moment hes still tied up and starving if any of them dont get ko'd or get back up they still kill him
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Umm Zoro can lift buildings, he should have physical strength to break out.
But even Ashura was embodiment of Zoro's fighting spirit and it manifests in dire situation, its not something Zoro trained for.
What if Ashura awakens? He has 4 Free arms to free himself
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Albino 👑 said:
ace didn't use conquerors
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How would that helped him? He can't K.O Akainu with CoC can he?
 
Albino 👑

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ShishioIsBack said:
Umm Zoro can lift buildings, he should have physical strength to break out.
But even Ashura was embodiment of Zoro's fighting spirit and it manifests in dire situation, its not something Zoro trained for.
What if Ashura awakens? He has 4 Free arms to free himself
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How would that helped him? He can't K.O Akainu with CoC can he?
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Luffy > the rest of the strawhats
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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Albino 👑 said:
Point is luffys the captain because hes the only one fit of that role. The others could mske their own crews and they still wouldn't compare
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I'd say Zoro's crew would be by far the best of Worst Generation due to Zoro's strength being so overwhelming
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Albino 👑 said:
Luffy > the rest of the strawhats
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In terms of ability to attract allies? Sure
Sanji > rest in cooking
Nami > rest in Navigatio
Zoro > rest in fighting

ETC
 
Eustass

Eustass

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Monkey D Theories said:
In the databooks, it has been said that zoro is nearly as strong as Luffy. Some fans even claim that he is stronger. But then, why does Luffy deserve to be captain of the straw hat pirates?

It can't merely be because Luffy saved zoro's life all those years ago. If helmeppo or someone else saved zoro, would zoro have followed him? Would zoro have followed any bum-ass who untied him? Obviously not, obviously Luffy is special. So what is so special about Luffy?
Well, Luffy himself answered this in chapter 90 of the manga, which is aptly titled "what can you do". In it, Luffy admits he can't use a sword, cook, navigate, or tell lies. Arlong mocks Luffy asks him what Luffy can do. Luffy responds with telling Arlong that he can beat him.

I think the special thing about Luffy is something that is highlighted in almost all of his fights. That is his resilience to defeat. Whereas Zoro is comparable in strength to Luffy, resilience to defeat is an attribute that has NEVER been attributed to him. Think about it, an integral part of Zoro's character is basically the opposite, zoro is averse to defeat. He isn't afraid of defeat don't get me wrong, but he would rather die before failing and this ideology allows him to undertake immense amounts of pain that even Luffy can't handle. The most famous examples of this are thriller bark and wano kuni.

The one time Zoro did flat out fail was against mihawk in east blue, after which he basically attempted suicide by telling Mihawk to slash him across the chest, and subsequently started crying due to shame. Now I don't want zoro fans to misunderstand me, this isn't an attack on zoro, but I think it is important to note: Luffy would never do this.

Luffy doesn't give a shit about defeat. He doesn't care how many times he is defeated or how many time someone makes a fool of him. Luffy is rubber and he will always bounce back. Whereas Zoro's fights focus on Zoro enduring the pain to never lose, Luffy's fights focus on him having the will to fight in the face of failure. This is why Luffy is such a good protagonist, because he isn't zoro, the man who never loses. He loses multiple times, every single arc. And yet he always has the strength to keep on fighting.

This is why Luffy is such a lovable character(to both the fans and to other characters in the story), and why imo Luffy deserves to be captain. In the biggest arcs of the story, the main villains are always far stronger than Luffy. Sometimes Zoro gets a villain stronger than him, but the gap is nowhere as close as Luffy and the main villain. This is the truth behind Luffy's statement to Arlong. Luffy is the only one who can beat these big bad villains(ect. Crocodile, Doffy, Kaido, ect.) because he is the only one with the willpower to keep fighting in the face of crushing defeat.
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Luffy is the captaj because he was the one who formed the crew
 
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Heinrich

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Because Luffy is better in everything.

Strength > Zoro.
Charisma >>>>> Zoro.
Social >>>>> Zoro.
Sense of direction >>>> Zoro.
Ambition >> Zoro ( Mihawk himself admitted that becoming PK is far harder than becoming WSS)

And on top of all these Luffy has the ability to inspire, lead and befriend any foe into becoming an ally. He also brings out the best among his nakamas instead of constantly bickering with another one of them and is much more emotionally intelligent.

Not to mention Zoro is a loner at heart, he would end up like mihawk instead of becoming any sort of captain even at his peak.

Luffy is the Strawhat pirate captain for a good reason, and Zoro is his great right hand man.
 
yorosenpai

yorosenpai

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I feel like this is again an insecure thread

Roger&Raeligh are partner he aint a subordinate. He follow roger because he want that.

Kaido defeateing previous captain and making join the crew that are subordinate.
Like White Beard when he defeated Ace, that is a subordinate.

Luffy never defeated once Zoro, he follow him for other reason but not subordination.....

Luffy&Zoro is like Roger&Raeligh dynamic. We have even instances in which Zoro get confused as the captain (that doesnt happen for subordinate).

Anyway the only occasion Luffy&Zoro clashed they were equal, Oda could have draw a super punch like against Luffy&Sanji

but Oda decided to go with this way:

Do you see the difference? :kata:
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Heinrich said:
Because Luffy is better in everything.

Strength > Zoro.
Charisma >>>>> Zoro.
Social >>>>> Zoro.
Sense of direction >>>> Zoro.
Ambition >> Zoro ( Mihawk himself admitted that becoming PK is far harder than becoming WSS)

And on top of all these Luffy has the ability to inspire, lead and befriend any foe into becoming an ally. He also brings out the best among his nakamas instead of constantly bickering with another one of them and is much more emotionally intelligent.

Not to mention Zoro is a loner at heart, he would end up like mihawk instead of becoming any sort of captain even at his peak.

Luffy is the Strawhat pirate captain for a good reason, and Zoro is his great right hand man.
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no is not :laughmoji:, literally you are spreading disinformation go read again over 1000chapter clown :ronalaugh:
 
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JoNdule

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Albino 👑 said:
Zoro wouldnt be as far as he is without luffy and the strawhats. Luffy needs zoro just as much as zoro needs him. Just like luffy needs all the strawhats
Rayleigh was a conqueror too but before roger he was just aimlessly chilling and never lead a crew of his own
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Luffy doesn't need zoro as much as zoro needs him
Luffy can replace zoro with another fighter but zoro won't survive NW without Luffy & strawhats

He can always gain allies and survive

Did luffy need zoro at MF, Impel down? WCI? Nah
He survived cuase he has the charisma and power to gain allies
 
Albino 👑

Albino 👑

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mly90 said:
It was Johhny who told Zoro the general direction where Mihawk was last seen it had nothing to do with Luffy. Zoro was going to meet Mihawk sooner or later with or without him
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He met back up with them through luffy 🗿 after luffy saved his life in shells town
Echizen_Jo_Ndule said:
Luffy doesn't need zoro as much as zoro needs him
Luffy can replace zoro with another fighter but zoro won't survive NW without Luffy & strawhats

He can always gain allies and survive

Did luffy need zoro at MF, Impel down? WCI? Nah
He survived cuase he has the charisma and power to gain allies
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Zoro as important to luffys the rest of the strawhats. And just like the the rest of them zoro is more than his role/job on the ship and strength
 
yorosenpai

yorosenpai

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Echizen_Jo_Ndule said:
Luffy doesn't need zoro as much as zoro needs him
Luffy can replace zoro with another fighter but zoro won't survive NW without Luffy & strawhats

He can always gain allies and survive

Did luffy need zoro at MF, Impel down? WCI? Nah
He survived cuase he has the charisma and power to gain allies
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:laughmoji::nicagesmile:, Zoro will become stronger than Mihawk a guy that travel alone in the sea, you are just a clown.

Anyway what fuck argumentation is Luffy need Zoro at MF?
That luffy would have being capture already in thriller bark if not for Zoro clown
Luffy would have lost in arlong park arc if not for Zoro - he would be a dead clown in the water
 
Albino 👑

Albino 👑

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Also why does rayleigh being rogers partner somehow mean they equal but kid and killer have the same partner relationship and also mirror luffy and zoro and no one says the same 🗿
 
yorosenpai

yorosenpai

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Albino 👑 said:
Also why does rayleigh being rogers partner somehow mean they equal but kid and killer have the same partner relationship and also mirror luffy and zoro and no one says the same 🗿
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cuz Killer aint a King....is that simple. Which goal has Killer beside following Kidd? I am still waiting......

Do you get that Zoro unlock the same power of the strongest in the same chapter vs the strongest creature like Luffy did?

That is a parallel of equal potential
 
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