There is literally no narrative basis for assuming Carrot's su long is this strong. All we know is that it's fast enough to evade Daifuku, but not strong enough to beat Peros in a 2v1. Keep in mind that base Carrot struggles with individual homies. Also it only lasts for a few minutes and leaves her vulnerable to the point that any strawhat instant wins once it's gone. I'm sorry, but this just comes across as super biased.
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The homioe are not a good coparison as Carrot got rid of them easily. Plus . I'm not putting Carrot as an incredible strong force here, just enough to make good damage. Don't forget that Carrot is already a brawler, we might not have seen her full strenght yet, she is aslmost on Pedro's level and I'm not even talking about Sulong. We are talking about the power of a 300/400 M bounty here, not a 100M. Here, I'm not putting her above in term of speed but in term of context, if the context is good, Carrot as a shot in alsmost all situation beside Luffy and Zoro.
Never forget the context in One Piece.
The only way Jinbe can beat Carrot under the moonlight if he is fast enough to strike her were she is not. It's likely, not a certainty.
Same for Robin (Rapidity) , Chopper (Strenght) and Franky (mobility).
Carrot has never seen Scary Giant before that. Of course she will be scared. But that's not a representation of her lack of strenght just her lack of knowledge. Don't forget that she encountered a giant forces once, and was pretty excited about it. Carrot is just fully experimenting her adventure.
Never forget the context in One Piece.
The only way Jinbe can beat Carrot under the moonlight if he is fast enough to strike her were she is not. It's likely, not a certainty.
Same for Robin (Rapidity) , Chopper (Strenght) and Franky (mobility).
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Carrot has never seen Scary Giant before that. Of course she will be scared. But that's not a representation of her lack of strenght just her lack of knowledge. Don't forget that she encountered a giant forces once, and was pretty excited about it. Carrot is just fully experimenting her adventure.
There's not a single Beast Pirate executive who looks up to Yamato the same way the Big Mom Pirates' look up to Katakuri. King is the Katakuri of the Beast Pirates, Yamato has no role to play there - neither has she shown the willingness to lead the Beast Pirates, nor have the Beast Pirates looked up to Yamato as a leader.
Even Kaido wants her to be the puppet Shogun of New Onigashima. Not the heir to his empire.
Even Kaido wants her to be the puppet Shogun of New Onigashima. Not the heir to his empire.
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Now if you'd asked me if Carrot had a shot against other cahracter like the flying six for example..
Sasaki would be pretty impossible.. not enough firepower.. Black Maria would have hard time against Carrot.. Ulti would actually be quite the fight.. Page one seems a little too OP for Carrot.. Xdrake is too strong.. and page one, as the opposite of Jinbe would actually be the biggest threat to Carrot.
Sasaki would be pretty impossible.. not enough firepower.. Black Maria would have hard time against Carrot.. Ulti would actually be quite the fight.. Page one seems a little too OP for Carrot.. Xdrake is too strong.. and page one, as the opposite of Jinbe would actually be the biggest threat to Carrot.
King is not the Katakuri of the beast Pirate, not even narratively. King is a strong fighter, yes, but only a a remnant of Kaido's influence on the crew. Once Kaido is gone, so will King and his most loyal men.
When I'm talking about looking up, you are right, I should talk more about respect.
Yamato as every role to play as a leader here.
And we are not talking about winllingness but responsibility. In other word, a way to reedeem the parents sin. This works BOTH way, with Katakuri AND with Yamato.
Note that what I'm talking about here tonight is not a Yamato vs Carrot thing. It goes much deeper than that.
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When I'm talking about looking up, you are right, I should talk more about respect.
Yamato as every role to play as a leader here.
And we are not talking about winllingness but responsibility. In other word, a way to reedeem the parents sin. This works BOTH way, with Katakuri AND with Yamato.
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That is why I was saying to close this thread as it mainly consist of carrot fan vs yamato fans debate 99% and nothing else 
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Yes he is. Marco/King/Katakuri are all the Right Hand Men of their Yonkou. Oda established this pretty clearly and has explored the relationship between Kaidou and his first mate in the recent chapters.
Or are you gonna ignore all the obvious parallels between the two?
Lmao. Even in terms of respect, not even the Flying 6 respect Yamato.
The comparision is literally stuff of headcanons - Katakuri has a responsibility to look after his siblings. Yamato owes nothing to the Beast Pirates, nothing whatsoever.
Or are you gonna ignore all the obvious parallels between the two?
Lmao. Even in terms of respect, not even the Flying 6 respect Yamato.
The comparision is literally stuff of headcanons - Katakuri has a responsibility to look after his siblings. Yamato owes nothing to the Beast Pirates, nothing whatsoever.
Oda has been establishing King has the right hand man of Kaido, the commander. Narratively he has only the title of Commander in comparison to Katakuri.
Katakuri and King are two completely different characters, both by their place in the narration and in their relationship to their captain.
Don't just think because their are a lot of fanart and a good looking design, that the two protagonist are similar. That would be putting a rock right in your eyes (get it ?)
Again, the real parrallels are not between KIng and Katakuri, but between Katakuri and Yamato.
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Concerning the flying six, they don't respect Yamato, and I made that pretty clear in my post by saying that this group will actually implode the moment Kaido will be on the run again or worse..
The comparisons I'm making are based on actual themes, constructions and storylines of the story. The parrallel your are holding on to, is based on a fanbase hype, nothing more. Again.. When I'm making storytelling takes, those are pretty solid.
The only question mark is the future of those protagonist, will they both set sail ? Will they take responsibility ? Will they join Luffy later in the story ? Right now, all the option are good to take.
And remember. We are in the Yonko Saga. It's litterally the Mom and Dad story. So don't look so surprised when I'm making parrallel between the strong Son and the strong Daughter.
Katakuri and King are two completely different characters, both by their place in the narration and in their relationship to their captain.
Don't just think because their are a lot of fanart and a good looking design, that the two protagonist are similar. That would be putting a rock right in your eyes (get it ?)
Again, the real parrallels are not between KIng and Katakuri, but between Katakuri and Yamato.
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Concerning the flying six, they don't respect Yamato, and I made that pretty clear in my post by saying that this group will actually implode the moment Kaido will be on the run again or worse..
The comparisons I'm making are based on actual themes, constructions and storylines of the story. The parrallel your are holding on to, is based on a fanbase hype, nothing more. Again.. When I'm making storytelling takes, those are pretty solid.
The only question mark is the future of those protagonist, will they both set sail ? Will they take responsibility ? Will they join Luffy later in the story ? Right now, all the option are good to take.
And remember. We are in the Yonko Saga. It's litterally the Mom and Dad story. So don't look so surprised when I'm making parrallel between the strong Son and the strong Daughter.
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Brudda did you even read the recent chapters?
How both of them have their own insecurities regarding their appearance, how they reacted when their appearance was revealed etc? Even the two fights had similar paneling, similar moves and narration at parts.
These are canon parallels which are better than your fan fiction about Yamato and Katakuri both taking over their respective parent's empires, when Yamato explicitly denies wanting to do so.
So who's Yamato gonna lead? The gifters that Tama already controls, the Pleasures who have turned coats after Chopper saved them or the peanut gallery who're all probably either dead or running away?
I say once again, Katakuri has a responsibility to look after his family who are the main executives and form the backbone of the BMP.
Yamato owes nothing to the Beast Pirates whatsoever, even more so when all the Flying 6 and the Calamities - the executives and the structure of the Beast Pirates - either run off or are arrested post Kaido's defeat.
How both of them have their own insecurities regarding their appearance, how they reacted when their appearance was revealed etc? Even the two fights had similar paneling, similar moves and narration at parts.
These are canon parallels which are better than your fan fiction about Yamato and Katakuri both taking over their respective parent's empires, when Yamato explicitly denies wanting to do so.
So who's Yamato gonna lead? The gifters that Tama already controls, the Pleasures who have turned coats after Chopper saved them or the peanut gallery who're all probably either dead or running away?
I say once again, Katakuri has a responsibility to look after his family who are the main executives and form the backbone of the BMP.
Yamato owes nothing to the Beast Pirates whatsoever, even more so when all the Flying 6 and the Calamities - the executives and the structure of the Beast Pirates - either run off or are arrested post Kaido's defeat.
This... Aside from the fact that it can only be used during a full moon... But even without the moon restriction, even the "greater" minks like Sicilian fell fighting Jack's troops on the rooftop... What can we expect from Carrot?
We tried to bring up other points of discussion, but yeah, they're not interested and goes back to Franky vs. Paulie in Thriller Bark 2.0 (yes, not the Enies Lobby or Water 7 version)...
The thing is, he only read mostly WCI arc...
That is why I was saying to close this thread as it mainly consist of carrot fan vs yamato fans debate 99% and nothing else
The thing is, he only read mostly WCI arc...
The Son - Daughter Parallel is actually between Ace & Yamato if you ask me.
How a good parent (Yonkou Whitebeard) formed a bond with his child (Ace), the biological son of his rival (Roger) and how a bad parent (Yonkou Kaidou) ruined his bond with his biological child (Yamato), who looked up to his rival (Oden).
Further reinforced with Yamato being the "Ace" card of Kaidou's crew with King & Queen sharing a lot of parallels with Marco & Jozu. And Kaidou and Whitebeard being the two Yonkous who hold World's Strongest Titles.
Katakuri and Yamato have literally nothing in common except being the children of two Yonkou.
How a good parent (Yonkou Whitebeard) formed a bond with his child (Ace), the biological son of his rival (Roger) and how a bad parent (Yonkou Kaidou) ruined his bond with his biological child (Yamato), who looked up to his rival (Oden).
Further reinforced with Yamato being the "Ace" card of Kaidou's crew with King & Queen sharing a lot of parallels with Marco & Jozu. And Kaidou and Whitebeard being the two Yonkous who hold World's Strongest Titles.
Katakuri and Yamato have literally nothing in common except being the children of two Yonkou.
You are comparing two different things, when there is insecurity in the eys of Katakuri, this is a will of survival for King, not insecurity, this has nothing to do with what Katakuri has experienced.
No, there are no canon parallels between the two but the fan hype. Don't mix up the fan theories with the construction of the story. And again, I'm putting my reasonning on the bases of both the narration, the themes and the characterizations of said characters. Not on the hype or made believe ressemblance.
You should know that stories tends to favor narratives that the characters actually don't want to follow at first . There are reason to believe because of Kaido's sin and the impact it had on Yamato, that Yamato could actually start to repear her Dad's actions. Starting with Wano.
Who Yamato is gonna lead? All those who are wealling to help. Tama's influence don't negate the fact that a personn can act as achief of said group.
Katakuri is like Yamato. He refused to act at first. Only at the end of his journey Katakuri took action by.. taking no action at all.
Again, it's not about owning anything to anyone. It's about responsibiliity.
A powerup. :)
And that something people should do more as the whole cake island arc is part of the Wano story. This is the same Saga for Goda's sake!
Or.. the core of your knowledge of the story is actually being challenged, and what you feel as Brain cells fleeing away are just the sign of your cognitive dissonance poping out.
I'll be the nicest possible:
Read whole cake again, you missed an entire chunk of the story.
No, there are no canon parallels between the two but the fan hype. Don't mix up the fan theories with the construction of the story. And again, I'm putting my reasonning on the bases of both the narration, the themes and the characterizations of said characters. Not on the hype or made believe ressemblance.
You should know that stories tends to favor narratives that the characters actually don't want to follow at first . There are reason to believe because of Kaido's sin and the impact it had on Yamato, that Yamato could actually start to repear her Dad's actions. Starting with Wano.
Who Yamato is gonna lead? All those who are wealling to help. Tama's influence don't negate the fact that a personn can act as achief of said group.
Katakuri is like Yamato. He refused to act at first. Only at the end of his journey Katakuri took action by.. taking no action at all.
Again, it's not about owning anything to anyone. It's about responsibiliity.
A powerup. :)
We tried to bring up other points of discussion, but yeah, they're not interested and goes back to Franky vs. Paulie in Thriller Bark 2.0 (yes, not the Enies Lobby or Water 7 version)...
The thing is, he only read mostly WCI arc...
The thing is, he only read mostly WCI arc...
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Or.. the core of your knowledge of the story is actually being challenged, and what you feel as Brain cells fleeing away are just the sign of your cognitive dissonance poping out.
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I'll be the nicest possible:
Read whole cake again, you missed an entire chunk of the story.
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What type of message does that send to female and male readers about the situation? So, what you’re saying is when if you’re physically and mentally abuse by one’s parental figure or parent you’re supposed to take it and just do what you’re told so you can’t live your own life being free to do what you want. That’s not good message to end Yamato. That goes strictly against what we are one commercial was about
If you want saying whole cake island continuing to wano.
Carrot is like Paulie while Yamato is like Franky
If you want saying whole cake island continuing to wano.
Carrot is like Paulie while Yamato is like Franky
No.
What does it says? It says that if you care about someone or something, you have to take responsibility and be better that the ones who passed before you.
Taking back the power is therefore the best way to get over mental abuse.
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Although.. Carrot has nothing to do with Paulie, if you really want to comapre her to a character of Water seven, you'd rather compare her to Chimney.
What does it says? It says that if you care about someone or something, you have to take responsibility and be better that the ones who passed before you.
Taking back the power is therefore the best way to get over mental abuse.
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Although.. Carrot has nothing to do with Paulie, if you really want to comapre her to a character of Water seven, you'd rather compare her to Chimney.
Yamato has already says she does want not take over father organization nor does she want be part of it.
Carrot is pretty much like Paulie. Does something very significant in water 7=whole cake island. Fall off once reach wano Interaction with half strawhats has not done anything remotely significant throughout this entire freaking wano arc. While Yamato has been more helpful through out act 3:
Carrot is pretty much like Paulie. Does something very significant in water 7=whole cake island. Fall off once reach wano Interaction with half strawhats has not done anything remotely significant throughout this entire freaking wano arc. While Yamato has been more helpful through out act 3:
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