General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Did you really just accuse ravager of being too progressive
@Ravagerblade they're on to you
Did you really just accuse ravager of being too progressive
@Ravagerblade they're on to you
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you really just accuse ravager of being too progressive
@Ravagerblade they're on to you
Did you really just accuse ravager of being too progressive
@Ravagerblade they're on to you
People want someone who knows about what D means, Void Century, Laugh tale... to join the crew
Yamato wants to sail but she knows already more important info than strawhats which Luffy doesn't want any of his cremate to know unless they themselves learnt it on the way
Oden before sailing didn't know a thing about outside world nor the secrets of this world, even those about his own country being linked with minks or Ancient Kingdom
Yamato is different, she knows about the prophecies , Laugh tale ... as written in Oden's journal
She can't join!
Yamato wants to sail but she knows already more important info than strawhats which Luffy doesn't want any of his cremate to know unless they themselves learnt it on the way
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Oden before sailing didn't know a thing about outside world nor the secrets of this world, even those about his own country being linked with minks or Ancient Kingdom
Yamato is different, she knows about the prophecies , Laugh tale ... as written in Oden's journal
She can't join!
How can you find the core of a potential candidate by having broad rules? Having broad rules just expands the umbrella of available pool of candidates, its the opposite of narrowing down. What this actually does is decreases the qualities requirements of a potential straw hat just to fit in a character you want to join.
I mean for example, of your 5 candidates excluding Yamato and Carrot you have: Momo, Tama and Marco.
The chances of any of those 3 joining the crew are pretty much zero and dead now. Momo has been set to become the Shogun, Tama wants Wano to be fixed so she can live happily and Marco? Seriously? What are the chances of Marco joining the crew? His name doesn't even exist in the poll.
Yet you're telling me that the likes of Marco, Momo and Tama have similiar chances to Yamato and Carrot of joining the crew?
Your seven rules isn't good at finding the core of a straw hat, as your candidates for the crew that your rules draws and brings in are nowhere even near capable of joining the crew.
Your seven rules don't do jack shit as we are just brought back to the same situation a year ago when all five of these candidates were still almost equally popular and were all very competitive to be the next straw hat.
You wasted all this time and effort in trying to tell me why your analysis and theory works, but you ended up telling me nothing as you just brought the debate back to a time and place like 2 years ago just so Carrot can be included on a equal playing field.
Some great 'analyst' you are. And you expect me to take you seriously? The only thing you've told me through this 'analysis' of yours is that you are a complete hack of an analyst.
I mean for example, of your 5 candidates excluding Yamato and Carrot you have: Momo, Tama and Marco.
The chances of any of those 3 joining the crew are pretty much zero and dead now. Momo has been set to become the Shogun, Tama wants Wano to be fixed so she can live happily and Marco? Seriously? What are the chances of Marco joining the crew? His name doesn't even exist in the poll.
Yet you're telling me that the likes of Marco, Momo and Tama have similiar chances to Yamato and Carrot of joining the crew?
Your seven rules isn't good at finding the core of a straw hat, as your candidates for the crew that your rules draws and brings in are nowhere even near capable of joining the crew.
Your seven rules don't do jack shit as we are just brought back to the same situation a year ago when all five of these candidates were still almost equally popular and were all very competitive to be the next straw hat.
You wasted all this time and effort in trying to tell me why your analysis and theory works, but you ended up telling me nothing as you just brought the debate back to a time and place like 2 years ago just so Carrot can be included on a equal playing field.
Some great 'analyst' you are. And you expect me to take you seriously? The only thing you've told me through this 'analysis' of yours is that you are a complete hack of an analyst.
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People want someone who knows about what D means, Void Century, Laugh tale... to join the crew
Yamato wants to sail but she knows already more important info than strawhats which Luffy doesn't want any of his cremate to know unless they themselves learnt it on the way
Oden before sailing didn't know a thing about outside world nor the secrets of this world, even those about his own country being linked with minks or Ancient Kingdom
Yamato is different, she knows about the prophecies , Laugh tale ... as written in Oden's journal
She can't join!
Yamato wants to sail but she knows already more important info than strawhats which Luffy doesn't want any of his cremate to know unless they themselves learnt it on the way
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Oden before sailing didn't know a thing about outside world nor the secrets of this world, even those about his own country being linked with minks or Ancient Kingdom
Yamato is different, she knows about the prophecies , Laugh tale ... as written in Oden's journal
She can't join!
I've been wanting hiyori to join the crew since before the raid started.
I would not deny it was underwhelming that she was M.I.A during the raid but I guess that's understandable because oda want to introduce tons of new characters in onigashima. Now that she is back and it looks like she will be important to remaining plot of this arc with orochi
Outside wano, she may has potential plot in the future. She was born outside wano and she is kinda playful tomboyish kid unlike momo. She might want to go outside again..... just to realize the world is ruled by orochi 2.0
I did say that
I feel like try to elaborate it now
Kozuki hiyori name has kanji moon and sun in it
Hiyori name means weather, fine weather. Kinda similar with sunny
Goroawase for kozuki is ko(9) zu(2) ki(9)
But it can also be 999. ko(9) zuki(two 9)
999 is the closest number to 1000 (thousand)
Kozuki hiyori name sounds good with thousand sunny go
As we all know galley la company gave suggestion (more like they mistaken the lion head with something else) to SHs ship which were, SUNFLOWER, SUN, LION
SUNFLOWER~himawari.
Goroawase: 1000 hi ma wa rei
SUN~ sunny
LION~gao (how lion sounds)~ go
Hence thousand sunny go
We can also broke it down and reverse it and still fits with sunny go
Thousand(hi-mawari) sunny(sun) go (gao)
Hi-yori tsuki kou
Not to mention the possible connection between himawari, hiyori, himatsuri
Of all this, I still need the narratives plot to be on point. Even if hiyori wont be a nakama, take this as hiyori appreciation post, I am okay to die on this hill
I would not deny it was underwhelming that she was M.I.A during the raid but I guess that's understandable because oda want to introduce tons of new characters in onigashima. Now that she is back and it looks like she will be important to remaining plot of this arc with orochi
Outside wano, she may has potential plot in the future. She was born outside wano and she is kinda playful tomboyish kid unlike momo. She might want to go outside again..... just to realize the world is ruled by orochi 2.0
I did say that
Name wise, kozuki hiyori fits most to be a SH, symbolically
Kozuki hiyori name has kanji moon and sun in it
Hiyori name means weather, fine weather. Kinda similar with sunny
Goroawase for kozuki is ko(9) zu(2) ki(9)
But it can also be 999. ko(9) zuki(two 9)
999 is the closest number to 1000 (thousand)
Kozuki hiyori name sounds good with thousand sunny go
As we all know galley la company gave suggestion (more like they mistaken the lion head with something else) to SHs ship which were, SUNFLOWER, SUN, LION
SUNFLOWER~himawari.
Goroawase: 1000 hi ma wa rei
SUN~ sunny
LION~gao (how lion sounds)~ go
Hence thousand sunny go
We can also broke it down and reverse it and still fits with sunny go
Thousand(hi-mawari) sunny(sun) go (gao)
Hi-yori tsuki kou
Not to mention the possible connection between himawari, hiyori, himatsuri
Of all this, I still need the narratives plot to be on point. Even if hiyori wont be a nakama, take this as hiyori appreciation post, I am okay to die on this hill
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I've been hiyori wanting join the crew since before the raid started.
I would not deny it was underwhelming that she was M.I.A during the raid but I guess that's understandable because oda want to introduce tons of new characters in onigashima. Now that she is back and it looks like she will be important to remaining plot of this arc with orochi
Outside wano, she may has potential plot in the future. She was born outside wano and she is kinda playful tomboyish kid unlike momo. She might want to go outside again..... just to realize the world is ruled by orochi 2.0
I did say that
I feel like try to elaborate it now
Kozuki hiyori name has kanji moon and sun in it
Hiyori name means weather, fine weather. Kinda similar with sunny
Goroawase for kozuki is ko(9) zu(2) ki(9)
But it can also be 999. ko(9) zuki(two 9)
999 is the closest number to 1000 (thousand)
Kozuki hiyori name sounds good with thousand sunny go
As we all know galley la company gave suggestion (more like they mistaken the lion head with something else) to SHs ship which were, SUNFLOWER, SUN, LION
SUNFLOWER~himawari.
Goroawase: 1000 hi ma wa rei
SUN~ sunny
LION~gao (how lion sounds)~ go
Hence thousand sunny go
We can also broke it down and reverse it and still fits with sunny go
Thousand(hi-mawari) sunny(sun) go (gao)
Hi-yori tsuki kou
Not to mention the possible connection between himawari, hiyori, himatsuri
Of all this, I still need the narratives plot to be on point. Even if hiyori wont be a nakama, take this as hiyori appreciation post, I am okay to die on this hill
I would not deny it was underwhelming that she was M.I.A during the raid but I guess that's understandable because oda want to introduce tons of new characters in onigashima. Now that she is back and it looks like she will be important to remaining plot of this arc with orochi
Outside wano, she may has potential plot in the future. She was born outside wano and she is kinda playful tomboyish kid unlike momo. She might want to go outside again..... just to realize the world is ruled by orochi 2.0
I did say that
I feel like try to elaborate it now
Kozuki hiyori name has kanji moon and sun in it
Hiyori name means weather, fine weather. Kinda similar with sunny
Goroawase for kozuki is ko(9) zu(2) ki(9)
But it can also be 999. ko(9) zuki(two 9)
999 is the closest number to 1000 (thousand)
Kozuki hiyori name sounds good with thousand sunny go
As we all know galley la company gave suggestion (more like they mistaken the lion head with something else) to SHs ship which were, SUNFLOWER, SUN, LION
SUNFLOWER~himawari.
Goroawase: 1000 hi ma wa rei
SUN~ sunny
LION~gao (how lion sounds)~ go
Hence thousand sunny go
We can also broke it down and reverse it and still fits with sunny go
Thousand(hi-mawari) sunny(sun) go (gao)
Hi-yori tsuki kou
Not to mention the possible connection between himawari, hiyori, himatsuri
Of all this, I still need the narratives plot to be on point. Even if hiyori wont be a nakama, take this as hiyori appreciation post, I am okay to die on this hill
And when exactly is that? You keep saying it’s Elbaf. Are you sure we’re getting Carrot focused story on Elbaf? Has it been hinted that Oda will focus on Carrot in Elbaf; in fact if he intended for Carrot to join from the points in manga?
Funny because the one who’s been using head canons to fulfill your agenda here is you. It’s not what I wish, but it what should have been. Oda could’ve just gone that possible way if he wanted Carrot to join, but he didn’t. It’s not rocket science.
Another double standard denial
LMAO if you’re losing patience because of defending a fictional character who has no relevance whatsoever and start calling people names, then you are the one who is toxic. It’s even more hilarious that I keep asking evidences from manga, not your theories, hypothesis, or whatever it is and you easily triggered and accuse someone toxic because I keep asking evidence from the manga. The strongest argument you can give when you don’t have evidence is to by accusing them toxic.
serious question though: do you have any mental instability? You easily get triggered over little things which is definitely not toxic and assume it by yourself so you can start attacking Because previously you said you have english comprehension problem, but even people whose language isn’t english won’t be easily triggered and accusing people toxic; while at the same time having emotional breakdown and can’t stand call people by names. I assume you most probably have both english comprehension problem + mental instability.
For the record, birds are considered one of the most intelligent creatures. Thank you anyway.
Which means you don’t have any evidence being put in manga to support your argument, that’s why instead of giving evidence, you make head canon hypothesis. It really isn’t that hard to comprehend
The mystery is for you only because you don’t understand the story. I have evidences, not hypothesis why Yamato was invented:
because Oda intended for her to join. How did I know? Because Oda made herself said that she will join Luffy after she kicks Kaido out of Wano precisely like 1016.
See? It’s not that hard to give proper evidences. The one who keeps denying facts by giving more head canons here is you.[/QUOTE]
And because of that Oda made Yamato appeared late, because his editors told him so.
it’s not called biased, but it’s called having a grip of reality. The ones who hates both Yamato & Carrot can see the reality that although they hate both, they can see which one Oda prefers and they don’t deny it.
Funny that this post came to you. The only one who keeps using it to your narrative is you. You even intentionally crop Wanda out, and believe me only more denials to come from you.
the story obviously shows the opposite. Chapter 1016 Yamato stated that she will join Luffy after she kicks Kaido out of Wano. You’re the one who keeps staying in your delusional little world that you keep denying it. At least I have proof, unlike you.
no cuts nor crops
LMAO the one who get hurt here is you, obviously. Asking evidences from manga, you call them toxic just because you can’t prove it and starts using victim card like you always do. Funny that you ask me evidence and I can easily show you. That’s how arguments work. If you can’t give evidence, don’t get triggered and start being toxic yourself.
Your reply here made it obvious that you came here just to troll, like others have said. Honestly I feel a bit disappointed in myself that I believe at least I can get some senses into you. It turns out you are beyond saving. No need to get triggered if people treat you like a whole circus, because that’s what you’ve been doing.
“I’m never triggered by toxicity” yet one of the words you said when you came here is to end the toxicity. You even called me toxic because I keep asking you evidence from manga, not theories. You obviously triggered because you clearly have no clues and proves, that instead of pointing the evidences out you act like a crybaby.
No need to act like a hero or something for someone else who literally not feeling triggered at all because the “toxicity” towards Carrot. Like I said again, this proves exactly that you are blinded by your own vanity. You’re so boastful that you said most/all Carrot theories come from you, and now you wanna act like a hero. You are the one here who’s trying so hard to act like a hero, protecting your fellow Carrot fans while at the same time instead of being a hero you’re being an absolute loser.
Even your fellow Carrot fans don’t acknowledge you as one of them, that’s why instead of supporting you, they ignore and leave you alone. Ask this to yourself: why Carrot fans don’t support you here? Even the most sane Carrot fan is a believer of both Yamato & Carrot instead of Carrot alone. Look, even dizzy is nowhere again to be seen. Your vanity is the reason why Carrot fans left you alone. Instead of supporting each other, you act like a hero yourself and discrediting them. Hope I strike at least a sense into you (FYI it’s SENSE not SENCE; the word SENCE doesn’t exist)
You really should learn to be like a normal human being like Shift, Pot Goblin, or Davidsuxx
Funny because the one who’s been using head canons to fulfill your agenda here is you. It’s not what I wish, but it what should have been. Oda could’ve just gone that possible way if he wanted Carrot to join, but he didn’t. It’s not rocket science.
Another double standard denial
LMAO if you’re losing patience because of defending a fictional character who has no relevance whatsoever and start calling people names, then you are the one who is toxic. It’s even more hilarious that I keep asking evidences from manga, not your theories, hypothesis, or whatever it is and you easily triggered and accuse someone toxic because I keep asking evidence from the manga. The strongest argument you can give when you don’t have evidence is to by accusing them toxic.
serious question though: do you have any mental instability? You easily get triggered over little things which is definitely not toxic and assume it by yourself so you can start attacking Because previously you said you have english comprehension problem, but even people whose language isn’t english won’t be easily triggered and accusing people toxic; while at the same time having emotional breakdown and can’t stand call people by names. I assume you most probably have both english comprehension problem + mental instability.
For the record, birds are considered one of the most intelligent creatures. Thank you anyway.
If I make hypothesis taht precisely because this is a possible answer einstein.. gosh darn it.. 
Yes I can.. that's the whole point of making hypothesis.. 
We are not in a court to debate evidences, we are (in that precise point) debating the character of Yamato which is STILL TO THE DAY a mystery even for me.
You can't ask me "why do you think Yamato was invented" and just toss out my hypothesis just because it doesn't fit your tiny narrative and agenda.. that's nonsence (yes i'm starting to be a bit salty here)
Right now, there is NO factual answers to the question "why do you think Yamato was invented". So.. if you have a better hypothesis .. BE MY GUEST. But at least try something lol
We are not in a court to debate evidences, we are (in that precise point) debating the character of Yamato which is STILL TO THE DAY a mystery even for me.
You can't ask me "why do you think Yamato was invented" and just toss out my hypothesis just because it doesn't fit your tiny narrative and agenda.. that's nonsence (yes i'm starting to be a bit salty here)
Right now, there is NO factual answers to the question "why do you think Yamato was invented". So.. if you have a better hypothesis .. BE MY GUEST. But at least try something lol
because Oda intended for her to join. How did I know? Because Oda made herself said that she will join Luffy after she kicks Kaido out of Wano precisely like 1016.
See? It’s not that hard to give proper evidences. The one who keeps denying facts by giving more head canons here is you.[/QUOTE]
And because of that Oda made Yamato appeared late, because his editors told him so.
it’s not called biased, but it’s called having a grip of reality. The ones who hates both Yamato & Carrot can see the reality that although they hate both, they can see which one Oda prefers and they don’t deny it.
Funny that this post came to you. The only one who keeps using it to your narrative is you. You even intentionally crop Wanda out, and believe me only more denials to come from you.
the story obviously shows the opposite. Chapter 1016 Yamato stated that she will join Luffy after she kicks Kaido out of Wano. You’re the one who keeps staying in your delusional little world that you keep denying it. At least I have proof, unlike you.
no cuts nor crops
LMAO the one who get hurt here is you, obviously. Asking evidences from manga, you call them toxic just because you can’t prove it and starts using victim card like you always do. Funny that you ask me evidence and I can easily show you. That’s how arguments work. If you can’t give evidence, don’t get triggered and start being toxic yourself.
Your reply here made it obvious that you came here just to troll, like others have said. Honestly I feel a bit disappointed in myself that I believe at least I can get some senses into you. It turns out you are beyond saving. No need to get triggered if people treat you like a whole circus, because that’s what you’ve been doing.
“I’m never triggered by toxicity” yet one of the words you said when you came here is to end the toxicity. You even called me toxic because I keep asking you evidence from manga, not theories. You obviously triggered because you clearly have no clues and proves, that instead of pointing the evidences out you act like a crybaby.
No need to act like a hero or something for someone else who literally not feeling triggered at all because the “toxicity” towards Carrot. Like I said again, this proves exactly that you are blinded by your own vanity. You’re so boastful that you said most/all Carrot theories come from you, and now you wanna act like a hero. You are the one here who’s trying so hard to act like a hero, protecting your fellow Carrot fans while at the same time instead of being a hero you’re being an absolute loser.
Even your fellow Carrot fans don’t acknowledge you as one of them, that’s why instead of supporting you, they ignore and leave you alone. Ask this to yourself: why Carrot fans don’t support you here? Even the most sane Carrot fan is a believer of both Yamato & Carrot instead of Carrot alone. Look, even dizzy is nowhere again to be seen. Your vanity is the reason why Carrot fans left you alone. Instead of supporting each other, you act like a hero yourself and discrediting them. Hope I strike at least a sense into you (FYI it’s SENSE not SENCE; the word SENCE doesn’t exist)
You really should learn to be like a normal human being like Shift, Pot Goblin, or Davidsuxx
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Don't help them dude 
Well logically .. Before truying to dissmiss them.. Look at those 7 rules. Yes they are indeed "broad", but they are also a must have. You can check those rules are enough for a first round of sorting. It's EXACTLY a way to narrow down the pool and it works.. only 5 characters are passing that first test.
There is no magic, just storytelling logic.
No. It's not 0, not at all, it's more than unlikely now, but it wasn't always the case.
Not similar ! There is a precipice between Marco, Momo Tama and Yamato + Carrot. You can check the end result to see that. But I staid consistant and even if those don't have the same chances, there is clews in the story that it's not a possibility to completely rule out.
The seven rules are not here to find the core of the strawhats, they are here to find the smaller common denominator to a potential candidate. (note that I'm making a distinction here between a potential candidate and a potential strawhat) meaning a character that could "potentially" leave with the strawhats.
Like I said in my introduction on the blog. I'm starting from ZERO , meaning that I'm starting with a neutral and analysis stance on ALL the character of the serie.. so it's LOGICAL that in the first sorting.. we are ending up with popular characters. That's the point.
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And because you seems to have hard time accepting those rules, let me go back a little bit more details for each of them and you will see that you can't rule them out for a first sorting:
Being alive: This shouldn't be unacceptable. Being alive means that EVERY character must have an interaction with the world of living. So even brook who is technically dead "is alive" andnot ruled out by this rule. That's why character like Ace can't be on the crew.
Be relevant to the story: This is a way to rule out every small and insignificant character. Same, it's logical, you can't be a strawhat if you has not made minimum in the story. Therefore your average Mink or a one time character can't join the crew.
I think you are following me with those two.. Now:
Be unique, have a uniqueness or have a unique ability COMPARED to the crew. One storytelling rule in One Piece is that each strawhat is unique from the other. Even Brook compared to Zoro. So.. We need a rule to avoid doublon and character that would be too similar to the actual crew. With that, you can rule out actual important character like mihawk for exemple. Why is that ? Because mihawk is only the better version of Zoro (right now) %ohawk doesn't possess a real uniqueness to his character that wiill make him fundamentaly different from another strawhat like Zoro, only the design is different and it's just not enough.
Be free from factio dury or independant. I explained to you that rule in detail. A character must (in a way) be questionning is current faction or don't hve one. That's a non debatable rule. Without that, you can't become a real mugiwara, you will always be called back to your root. So that rule is not a point of debate.
Be a friend or a false adversary. Now this rule was made because of two things : The message of One Piece and Luffy. Luffy is a kind character but he does not forgive easily. If you cross the line, let's say for example that you torture his friend and destroy his friend's country.. you will be on his "I won't forgive you" list. This list is the list of the adversaries, the villains. With people like Ceasar, Crocodile or Enel. Those type of characters, also for the narratives reasons explained in my blog can't and will NEVER be strawhats.
But .. you can be a false adversary a join the strawhat. A false adversary is an adversary setup as an ally. Those are exactly what Robin and Franky were at there time.
Looking and acting toward adventure. This is also an important rule. You can't be a strawhat if you don't put your dream in front of you. To join the crew you must want to be part of an adventure.. if not .. there is NO PLACE for you .. I think this rule is pretty easy to understand.
Have a moral Pillar: That rule might be the most creative one, but it is also the most important. A strawhat can't advance without a purpose and this purpose usually comes from the dream of someone. That's why One Piece biggest theme is the "inherited will". Like I said in my log
You can be a strawhat if someone didn't push your back first toward adventure. This is a golden rule. This is what make One Piece.. One Piece. You will see that EACH strawhat are echoing that rule. For a good reason, because without it.. there would be no purpose.
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So .. You see.. you are just trying to deny that first sorting because you don't understand it.. but my analysis is throughout, if you can't understand this, there is indeed no time to waste and you can just move on.. you will have to find out that I'm right by yourself... later.
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No I'm not 100% sure, I'm not even 60 % sure that she will have her story on Elbaf. This is just a hypothesis. What I'm 100% sure is that Carrot will have a moment to shine later.. It could very well be at the VEeeeeeeeery end of the story. I don't know, I'm not omnipotent..
But if we look at the hints (Carrot being interested in Giant, Carrot being a bit too excited in front of danger / PErospero challenging the naivety of Carrot) the sign are murmuring "Elbaf" right now.. but yeah.. maybe those are completely wrong. That's why all I can make about Carrot's future.. are hypothesis.
I only use headcanon in hypothesis, not in my analysis.
No, it's just logic. LOGIC. You can't have a red hearing if you don't have the subject and the decoy at the same place..
No I'm losing patience because I'm have the impression that I'm repeating the same S** everyday without consequences. You see. I don't have patience with children.. and I have the impression that I need to educate a whole nursary..
Hm Yes, in the matter of fact I do have mental instability. (that one of the reason I can sometimes write walls of text and sometimes can't wrote two words) But that has nothing to do with the fact that I'm being triggered for neededing to repeat every F* day the same thing to only get laugh out of it lol I'm not easily triggered. trust me.
If I denouce the toxicity of some of you it's because it has an impact in real life. not only for me, but for others who feel that can't even have a talk without being bullied online. And toxicity start with a simple remarks hence why I'm a bit on the defensive.
Let's not be psychophobes hear shall we ?
That's the whole point about making an hypothesis.
I hope you understand the difference I'm making between an hyphothesis, a theory and an analysis ?
- An hypothesis rely on one (maybe more) element in the storyline, they are here to fil the gap for a mystery. That's why I say "if you have a better hypothesis, give it to me, we will debate on that"
- An analysis is well.. an analysis, for One Piece, it's relying on storytelling rules created out of and inside the story, those are made to explain narration/storylines and maybe expand on them a bit.
- A theory is a complete and strong addition of analysis and strong hypothesis that put together.. make a strong case for something.
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That's not an evidence of the "why Yamato was invented" it's only a evidences that Yamato is thinking that she will join Luffy after wano. And even that is something more (I have already explained what it was, a subversion dialgue) You really need to go deeper in the story. This won't make the cut.
That.. we don't know that just an hypothesis and a debatable one as is relies on nothing.
Nah.. that's just magical thinking.
Funny that this post came to you. The only one who keeps using it to your narrative is you. You even intentionally crop Wanda out, and believe me only more denials to come from you.
Trust me I did nothing to this pic, it's for google lol. But I could have also gave you the one from jump fiesta were wanda is ALSO cropped out.. Would you have given me the same excuse ?
One panel is enough. There is NOWHERE in the story where Yamato has such a relationship to the strawhats.. it's a fact, an undeniable fact. unless you have a similar panel with Yamato. Carrot will ALWAYS be on top.
Factual.. undeniable.. cold.. reasonning.
The more you are gonna hold up to the fact that yamato is thinking that she will join Luffy.. the more it's gonna hurt you in the end. Trust me, this will hurt.
Because there is no evidences here. none.
I call poeple toxic when they are toxic, not when they try (like you here) to give me evidences. I like debate, this is not toxic for me. Where are you quoting/coming from ?
You are being a little bit agressive here, are you okay ? I thought we had a real bond .. I'm sad now
Wanting to end toxicity is a bit different than being just triggered by it. I do am trigggered by the lack of reasonning in here.. but not by toxicity, I'm used to it.
I'm not a hero, I'm a pirate.
Lol you are really speaking more and more like a bond villain xD
"Even your fellow fans have left you"
"See.. noone is there"
"You are all alone"
"You act like a hero but all you do really is hurt the one you protect"
Lmao.. this is so funny
I already told you. I'm not a hero hehehehe
Well logically .. Before truying to dissmiss them.. Look at those 7 rules. Yes they are indeed "broad", but they are also a must have. You can check those rules are enough for a first round of sorting. It's EXACTLY a way to narrow down the pool and it works.. only 5 characters are passing that first test.
There is no magic, just storytelling logic.
No. It's not 0, not at all, it's more than unlikely now, but it wasn't always the case.
Not similar ! There is a precipice between Marco, Momo Tama and Yamato + Carrot. You can check the end result to see that. But I staid consistant and even if those don't have the same chances, there is clews in the story that it's not a possibility to completely rule out.
The seven rules are not here to find the core of the strawhats, they are here to find the smaller common denominator to a potential candidate. (note that I'm making a distinction here between a potential candidate and a potential strawhat) meaning a character that could "potentially" leave with the strawhats.
Like I said in my introduction on the blog. I'm starting from ZERO , meaning that I'm starting with a neutral and analysis stance on ALL the character of the serie.. so it's LOGICAL that in the first sorting.. we are ending up with popular characters. That's the point.
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And because you seems to have hard time accepting those rules, let me go back a little bit more details for each of them and you will see that you can't rule them out for a first sorting:
Being alive: This shouldn't be unacceptable. Being alive means that EVERY character must have an interaction with the world of living. So even brook who is technically dead "is alive" andnot ruled out by this rule. That's why character like Ace can't be on the crew.
Be relevant to the story: This is a way to rule out every small and insignificant character. Same, it's logical, you can't be a strawhat if you has not made minimum in the story. Therefore your average Mink or a one time character can't join the crew.
I think you are following me with those two.. Now:
Be unique, have a uniqueness or have a unique ability COMPARED to the crew. One storytelling rule in One Piece is that each strawhat is unique from the other. Even Brook compared to Zoro. So.. We need a rule to avoid doublon and character that would be too similar to the actual crew. With that, you can rule out actual important character like mihawk for exemple. Why is that ? Because mihawk is only the better version of Zoro (right now) %ohawk doesn't possess a real uniqueness to his character that wiill make him fundamentaly different from another strawhat like Zoro, only the design is different and it's just not enough.
Be free from factio dury or independant. I explained to you that rule in detail. A character must (in a way) be questionning is current faction or don't hve one. That's a non debatable rule. Without that, you can't become a real mugiwara, you will always be called back to your root. So that rule is not a point of debate.
Be a friend or a false adversary. Now this rule was made because of two things : The message of One Piece and Luffy. Luffy is a kind character but he does not forgive easily. If you cross the line, let's say for example that you torture his friend and destroy his friend's country.. you will be on his "I won't forgive you" list. This list is the list of the adversaries, the villains. With people like Ceasar, Crocodile or Enel. Those type of characters, also for the narratives reasons explained in my blog can't and will NEVER be strawhats.
But .. you can be a false adversary a join the strawhat. A false adversary is an adversary setup as an ally. Those are exactly what Robin and Franky were at there time.
Looking and acting toward adventure. This is also an important rule. You can't be a strawhat if you don't put your dream in front of you. To join the crew you must want to be part of an adventure.. if not .. there is NO PLACE for you .. I think this rule is pretty easy to understand.
Have a moral Pillar: That rule might be the most creative one, but it is also the most important. A strawhat can't advance without a purpose and this purpose usually comes from the dream of someone. That's why One Piece biggest theme is the "inherited will". Like I said in my log
You can be a strawhat if someone didn't push your back first toward adventure. This is a golden rule. This is what make One Piece.. One Piece. You will see that EACH strawhat are echoing that rule. For a good reason, because without it.. there would be no purpose.
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So .. You see.. you are just trying to deny that first sorting because you don't understand it.. but my analysis is throughout, if you can't understand this, there is indeed no time to waste and you can just move on.. you will have to find out that I'm right by yourself... later.
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No I'm not 100% sure, I'm not even 60 % sure that she will have her story on Elbaf. This is just a hypothesis. What I'm 100% sure is that Carrot will have a moment to shine later.. It could very well be at the VEeeeeeeeery end of the story. I don't know, I'm not omnipotent..
But if we look at the hints (Carrot being interested in Giant, Carrot being a bit too excited in front of danger / PErospero challenging the naivety of Carrot) the sign are murmuring "Elbaf" right now.. but yeah.. maybe those are completely wrong. That's why all I can make about Carrot's future.. are hypothesis.
I only use headcanon in hypothesis, not in my analysis.
No, it's just logic. LOGIC. You can't have a red hearing if you don't have the subject and the decoy at the same place..
No I'm losing patience because I'm have the impression that I'm repeating the same S** everyday without consequences. You see. I don't have patience with children.. and I have the impression that I need to educate a whole nursary..
Hm Yes, in the matter of fact I do have mental instability. (that one of the reason I can sometimes write walls of text and sometimes can't wrote two words) But that has nothing to do with the fact that I'm being triggered for neededing to repeat every F* day the same thing to only get laugh out of it lol I'm not easily triggered. trust me.
If I denouce the toxicity of some of you it's because it has an impact in real life. not only for me, but for others who feel that can't even have a talk without being bullied online. And toxicity start with a simple remarks hence why I'm a bit on the defensive.
Let's not be psychophobes hear shall we ?
That's the whole point about making an hypothesis.
I hope you understand the difference I'm making between an hyphothesis, a theory and an analysis ?
- An hypothesis rely on one (maybe more) element in the storyline, they are here to fil the gap for a mystery. That's why I say "if you have a better hypothesis, give it to me, we will debate on that"
- An analysis is well.. an analysis, for One Piece, it's relying on storytelling rules created out of and inside the story, those are made to explain narration/storylines and maybe expand on them a bit.
- A theory is a complete and strong addition of analysis and strong hypothesis that put together.. make a strong case for something.
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That's not an evidence of the "why Yamato was invented" it's only a evidences that Yamato is thinking that she will join Luffy after wano. And even that is something more (I have already explained what it was, a subversion dialgue) You really need to go deeper in the story. This won't make the cut.
That.. we don't know that just an hypothesis and a debatable one as is relies on nothing.
Nah.. that's just magical thinking.
Funny that this post came to you. The only one who keeps using it to your narrative is you. You even intentionally crop Wanda out, and believe me only more denials to come from you.
One panel is enough. There is NOWHERE in the story where Yamato has such a relationship to the strawhats.. it's a fact, an undeniable fact. unless you have a similar panel with Yamato. Carrot will ALWAYS be on top.
Factual.. undeniable.. cold.. reasonning.
the story obviously shows the opposite. Chapter 1016 Yamato stated that she will join Luffy after she kicks Kaido out of Wano. You’re the one who keeps staying in your delusional little world that you keep denying it. At least I have proof, unlike you.
no cuts nor crops
no cuts nor crops
Because there is no evidences here. none.
I call poeple toxic when they are toxic, not when they try (like you here) to give me evidences. I like debate, this is not toxic for me. Where are you quoting/coming from ?
You are being a little bit agressive here, are you okay ? I thought we had a real bond .. I'm sad now
Wanting to end toxicity is a bit different than being just triggered by it. I do am trigggered by the lack of reasonning in here.. but not by toxicity, I'm used to it.
I'm not a hero, I'm a pirate.
Lol you are really speaking more and more like a bond villain xD
"Even your fellow fans have left you"
"See.. noone is there"
"You are all alone"
"You act like a hero but all you do really is hurt the one you protect"
Lmao.. this is so funny
I already told you. I'm not a hero hehehehe
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Don't help them dude
Well logically .. Before truying to dissmiss them.. Look at those 7 rules. Yes they are indeed "broad", but they are also a must have. You can check those rules are enough for a first round of sorting. It's EXACTLY a way to narrow down the pool and it works.. only 5 characters are passing that first test.
There is no magic, just storytelling logic.
No. It's not 0, not at all, it's more than unlikely now, but it wasn't always the case.
Not similar ! There is a precipice between Marco, Momo Tama and Yamato + Carrot. You can check the end result to see that. But I staid consistant and even if those don't have the same chances, there is clews in the story that it's not a possibility to completely rule out.
The seven rules are not here to find the core of the strawhats, they are here to find the smaller common denominator to a potential candidate. (note that I'm making a distinction here between a potential candidate and a potential strawhat) meaning a character that could "potentially" leave with the strawhats.
Like I said in my introduction on the blog. I'm starting from ZERO , meaning that I'm starting with a neutral and analysis stance on ALL the character of the serie.. so it's LOGICAL that in the first sorting.. we are ending up with popular characters. That's the point.
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And because you seems to have hard time accepting those rules, let me go back a little bit more details for each of them and you will see that you can't rule them out for a first sorting:
Being alive: This shouldn't be unacceptable. Being alive means that EVERY character must have an interaction with the world of living. So even brook who is technically dead "is alive" andnot ruled out by this rule. That's why character like Ace can't be on the crew.
Be relevant to the story: This is a way to rule out every small and insignificant character. Same, it's logical, you can't be a strawhat if you has not made minimum in the story. Therefore your average Mink or a one time character can't join the crew.
I think you are following me with those two.. Now:
Be unique, have a uniqueness or have a unique ability COMPARED to the crew. One storytelling rule in One Piece is that each strawhat is unique from the other. Even Brook compared to Zoro. So.. We need a rule to avoid doublon and character that would be too similar to the actual crew. With that, you can rule out actual important character like mihawk for exemple. Why is that ? Because mihawk is only the better version of Zoro (right now) %ohawk doesn't possess a real uniqueness to his character that wiill make him fundamentaly different from another strawhat like Zoro, only the design is different and it's just not enough.
Be free from factio dury or independant. I explained to you that rule in detail. A character must (in a way) be questionning is current faction or don't hve one. That's a non debatable rule. Without that, you can't become a real mugiwara, you will always be called back to your root. So that rule is not a point of debate.
Be a friend or a false adversary. Now this rule was made because of two things : The message of One Piece and Luffy. Luffy is a kind character but he does not forgive easily. If you cross the line, let's say for example that you torture his friend and destroy his friend's country.. you will be on his "I won't forgive you" list. This list is the list of the adversaries, the villains. With people like Ceasar, Crocodile or Enel. Those type of characters, also for the narratives reasons explained in my blog can't and will NEVER be strawhats.
But .. you can be a false adversary a join the strawhat. A false adversary is an adversary setup as an ally. Those are exactly what Robin and Franky were at there time.
Looking and acting toward adventure. This is also an important rule. You can't be a strawhat if you don't put your dream in front of you. To join the crew you must want to be part of an adventure.. if not .. there is NO PLACE for you .. I think this rule is pretty easy to understand.
Have a moral Pillar: That rule might be the most creative one, but it is also the most important. A strawhat can't advance without a purpose and this purpose usually comes from the dream of someone. That's why One Piece biggest theme is the "inherited will". Like I said in my log
You can be a strawhat if someone didn't push your back first toward adventure. This is a golden rule. This is what make One Piece.. One Piece. You will see that EACH strawhat are echoing that rule. For a good reason, because without it.. there would be no purpose.
-----
So .. You see.. you are just trying to deny that first sorting because you don't understand it.. but my analysis is throughout, if you can't understand this, there is indeed no time to waste and you can just move on.. you will have to find out that I'm right by yourself... later.
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That's not an evidence of the "why Yamato was invented" it's only a evidences that Yamato is thinking that she will join Luffy after wano. And even that is something more (I have already explained what it was, a subversion dialgue) You really need to go deeper in the story. This won't make the cut.
That.. we don't know that just an hypothesis and a debatable one as is relies on nothing.
Nah.. that's just magical thinking.
Trust me I did nothing to this pic, it's for google lol. But I could have also gave you the one from jump fiesta were wanda is ALSO cropped out.. Would you have given me the same excuse ?
One panel is enough. There is NOWHERE in the story where Yamato has such a relationship to the strawhats.. it's a fact, an undeniable fact. unless you have a similar panel with Yamato. Carrot will ALWAYS be on top.
Factual.. undeniable.. cold.. reasonning.
The more you are gonna hold up to the fact that yamato is thinking that she will join Luffy.. the more it's gonna hurt you in the end. Trust me, this will hurt.
Because there is no evidences here. none.
I call poeple toxic when they are toxic, not when they try (like you here) to give me evidences. I like debate, this is not toxic for me. Where are you quoting/coming from ?
You are being a little bit agressive here, are you okay ? I thought we had a real bond .. I'm sad now
Wanting to end toxicity is a bit different than being just triggered by it. I do am trigggered by the lack of reasonning in here.. but not by toxicity, I'm used to it.
I'm not a hero, I'm a pirate.
Lol you are really speaking more and more like a bond villain xD
"Even your fellow fans have left you"
"See.. noone is there"
"You are all alone"
"You act like a hero but all you do really is hurt the one you protect"
Lmao.. this is so funny
I already told you. I'm not a hero hehehehe
Well logically .. Before truying to dissmiss them.. Look at those 7 rules. Yes they are indeed "broad", but they are also a must have. You can check those rules are enough for a first round of sorting. It's EXACTLY a way to narrow down the pool and it works.. only 5 characters are passing that first test.
There is no magic, just storytelling logic.
No. It's not 0, not at all, it's more than unlikely now, but it wasn't always the case.
Not similar ! There is a precipice between Marco, Momo Tama and Yamato + Carrot. You can check the end result to see that. But I staid consistant and even if those don't have the same chances, there is clews in the story that it's not a possibility to completely rule out.
The seven rules are not here to find the core of the strawhats, they are here to find the smaller common denominator to a potential candidate. (note that I'm making a distinction here between a potential candidate and a potential strawhat) meaning a character that could "potentially" leave with the strawhats.
Like I said in my introduction on the blog. I'm starting from ZERO , meaning that I'm starting with a neutral and analysis stance on ALL the character of the serie.. so it's LOGICAL that in the first sorting.. we are ending up with popular characters. That's the point.
-----
And because you seems to have hard time accepting those rules, let me go back a little bit more details for each of them and you will see that you can't rule them out for a first sorting:
Being alive: This shouldn't be unacceptable. Being alive means that EVERY character must have an interaction with the world of living. So even brook who is technically dead "is alive" andnot ruled out by this rule. That's why character like Ace can't be on the crew.
Be relevant to the story: This is a way to rule out every small and insignificant character. Same, it's logical, you can't be a strawhat if you has not made minimum in the story. Therefore your average Mink or a one time character can't join the crew.
I think you are following me with those two.. Now:
Be unique, have a uniqueness or have a unique ability COMPARED to the crew. One storytelling rule in One Piece is that each strawhat is unique from the other. Even Brook compared to Zoro. So.. We need a rule to avoid doublon and character that would be too similar to the actual crew. With that, you can rule out actual important character like mihawk for exemple. Why is that ? Because mihawk is only the better version of Zoro (right now) %ohawk doesn't possess a real uniqueness to his character that wiill make him fundamentaly different from another strawhat like Zoro, only the design is different and it's just not enough.
Be free from factio dury or independant. I explained to you that rule in detail. A character must (in a way) be questionning is current faction or don't hve one. That's a non debatable rule. Without that, you can't become a real mugiwara, you will always be called back to your root. So that rule is not a point of debate.
Be a friend or a false adversary. Now this rule was made because of two things : The message of One Piece and Luffy. Luffy is a kind character but he does not forgive easily. If you cross the line, let's say for example that you torture his friend and destroy his friend's country.. you will be on his "I won't forgive you" list. This list is the list of the adversaries, the villains. With people like Ceasar, Crocodile or Enel. Those type of characters, also for the narratives reasons explained in my blog can't and will NEVER be strawhats.
But .. you can be a false adversary a join the strawhat. A false adversary is an adversary setup as an ally. Those are exactly what Robin and Franky were at there time.
Looking and acting toward adventure. This is also an important rule. You can't be a strawhat if you don't put your dream in front of you. To join the crew you must want to be part of an adventure.. if not .. there is NO PLACE for you .. I think this rule is pretty easy to understand.
Have a moral Pillar: That rule might be the most creative one, but it is also the most important. A strawhat can't advance without a purpose and this purpose usually comes from the dream of someone. That's why One Piece biggest theme is the "inherited will". Like I said in my log
You can be a strawhat if someone didn't push your back first toward adventure. This is a golden rule. This is what make One Piece.. One Piece. You will see that EACH strawhat are echoing that rule. For a good reason, because without it.. there would be no purpose.
-----
So .. You see.. you are just trying to deny that first sorting because you don't understand it.. but my analysis is throughout, if you can't understand this, there is indeed no time to waste and you can just move on.. you will have to find out that I'm right by yourself... later.
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That's not an evidence of the "why Yamato was invented" it's only a evidences that Yamato is thinking that she will join Luffy after wano. And even that is something more (I have already explained what it was, a subversion dialgue) You really need to go deeper in the story. This won't make the cut.
That.. we don't know that just an hypothesis and a debatable one as is relies on nothing.
Nah.. that's just magical thinking.
Trust me I did nothing to this pic, it's for google lol. But I could have also gave you the one from jump fiesta were wanda is ALSO cropped out.. Would you have given me the same excuse ?
One panel is enough. There is NOWHERE in the story where Yamato has such a relationship to the strawhats.. it's a fact, an undeniable fact. unless you have a similar panel with Yamato. Carrot will ALWAYS be on top.
Factual.. undeniable.. cold.. reasonning.
The more you are gonna hold up to the fact that yamato is thinking that she will join Luffy.. the more it's gonna hurt you in the end. Trust me, this will hurt.
Because there is no evidences here. none.
I call poeple toxic when they are toxic, not when they try (like you here) to give me evidences. I like debate, this is not toxic for me. Where are you quoting/coming from ?
You are being a little bit agressive here, are you okay ? I thought we had a real bond .. I'm sad now
Wanting to end toxicity is a bit different than being just triggered by it. I do am trigggered by the lack of reasonning in here.. but not by toxicity, I'm used to it.
I'm not a hero, I'm a pirate.
Lol you are really speaking more and more like a bond villain xD
"Even your fellow fans have left you"
"See.. noone is there"
"You are all alone"
"You act like a hero but all you do really is hurt the one you protect"
Lmao.. this is so funny
I already told you. I'm not a hero hehehehe
“I don’t have patience with children” LMAO another example of vanity. Funny, because the one who keeps acting like a child is you. Being a crybaby, call other people toxic just because you can’t prove it with facts from manga.
Your own words when you replied to me. I was confused how you couldn’t understand your own words but since you admitted you’re mentally unstable, it’s not surprising.
You still can’t give me evidences in manga regarding my questions. All you give was mental gymnastics and words twisting. It’s settled then that you clearly don’t have any good arguments nor evidences regarding my questions that instead of showing those evidences, you’re definitely using the perfect example of strawmanning.
That HAS always been the case. One Piece is a week to week publication, once the chapters are out, Oda can't just go back to change them. Changing the decision on who joins the crew isn't something that Oda can just do on a whim.
Also, how do you know Oda ever had any intention of Marco ever joining the crew?
Also, how do you know Oda ever had any intention of Marco ever joining the crew?
uh yes. Every strawhat follow those rules:
Being alive: All of the strawhats are alive and therefore can interact with the world of living.
Be relevant to the story: Everystrawhat were relevant to the story before joining.
Be unique, have a uniqueness or have a unique ability COMPARED to the crew. Every strawhats have a uniqueness:
- Luffy and the Gomu Gomu no
- Zoro and his three sword style
- Nami and her climat knowledge
- Usopp with his sniping skills
- Sanji and his cooking ability
- Chopper and his point
- Robin with her knowledge of the poneglyph and ability
- Franky as a cyborg
- Brook as a skelleton
- Jinbe as a fishman
Be free from factio dury or independant. ALL the strawhats were free from duty or on the verge of switching:
- Zoro was free
- Nami wanted to save her village in order to be rid of Arlong
- Sanji was free to go
- Chopper was free to go
- Robin as always been alone
- Franky was on the verge of having a bounty, therefore being target.His faction reponsibilities were logically deleted.
- Brook was alone
- Jinbe expressed the need to join the crew
Be a friend or a false adversary. All of the strawhat were friends or false adversary
Looking and acting toward adventure. AL of the strawhat were looking ahead. Even when they denied it
Have a moral Pillar: All the strawhats have a moral pillar.
Being alive: All of the strawhats are alive and therefore can interact with the world of living.
Be relevant to the story: Everystrawhat were relevant to the story before joining.
Be unique, have a uniqueness or have a unique ability COMPARED to the crew. Every strawhats have a uniqueness:
- Luffy and the Gomu Gomu no
- Zoro and his three sword style
- Nami and her climat knowledge
- Usopp with his sniping skills
- Sanji and his cooking ability
- Chopper and his point
- Robin with her knowledge of the poneglyph and ability
- Franky as a cyborg
- Brook as a skelleton
- Jinbe as a fishman
Be free from factio dury or independant. ALL the strawhats were free from duty or on the verge of switching:
- Zoro was free
- Nami wanted to save her village in order to be rid of Arlong
- Sanji was free to go
- Chopper was free to go
- Robin as always been alone
- Franky was on the verge of having a bounty, therefore being target.His faction reponsibilities were logically deleted.
- Brook was alone
- Jinbe expressed the need to join the crew
Be a friend or a false adversary. All of the strawhat were friends or false adversary
Looking and acting toward adventure. AL of the strawhat were looking ahead. Even when they denied it
Have a moral Pillar: All the strawhats have a moral pillar.
his number 2 rule is the funniest. Let me quote:
every Straw Hat were relevant to the story before joining
And yet he knows that Carrot is pretty much irrelevant right now, but he has hopes Carrot will have her own arc AFTER Wano, where again Carrot is irrelevant in Wano. If his logic goes like that, Carrot should join after WCI & before Wano, but she didn’t. And also Oda intentionally postpone the toast while Carrot is there means something.
He is denying his own point truly makes me laugh.
every Straw Hat were relevant to the story before joining
And yet he knows that Carrot is pretty much irrelevant right now, but he has hopes Carrot will have her own arc AFTER Wano, where again Carrot is irrelevant in Wano. If his logic goes like that, Carrot should join after WCI & before Wano, but she didn’t. And also Oda intentionally postpone the toast while Carrot is there means something.
He is denying his own point truly makes me laugh.
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