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Oh my god, is orochi legitimately the best part of Wano right now? I mean he is fodder of course but he stands out as the best character even in this flashback.... Goddamn.... Like seriously out ide of the Roger and white beard stuff, the most interesting things in his flashback were the rise of Orochi and his characterisation.
Like Kaido legitimately seems like a fuckin henchman to this weak ass piece of shit and it's fuckin amazing
Like Kaido legitimately seems like a fuckin henchman to this weak ass piece of shit and it's fuckin amazing
Yup that's what I'm saying why did it take 5 years for oden to come to his senses.why does shirahoshis prophecy even fit here?Ships don't take such a long time to build.in any sane scenario oden would've seen it coming in like the first year and would've started preparing to fight against kaido and orochi.this 5 year gap is so pointless and badly done
Majority of the people will continue to dislike/hate on Oden but not me anymore.
Oden is definitely on Señor Pink's level of chadness now.
Initially, I was a bit hesitant but now I really like him.
It also helps to know that Oden's tribulations also reminded me of a certain person who is really close to me.
Oden = Chad certified.
Oden is definitely on Señor Pink's level of chadness now.
Initially, I was a bit hesitant but now I really like him.
It also helps to know that Oden's tribulations also reminded me of a certain person who is really close to me.
Oden = Chad certified.
Only that would have made for a crap story (or in other words, none). And it's a Wano-issue, and Oden deems himself as a quite capable fighter one on one, so one can't really expect him to do some gimmicky Super Smash Bros crap (that's cool when they are all from elsewhere anyway). And he actually was on his own, among his own people.
Oden is sane to go step by step, one doesn't have to account for any insane, evil person's hypothetical twists in advance, that's how they ultimately show themselves for what they are, and it's just degenerate and "degenerative", serving just lesser or no ends. After all, anyone's brain might hypothetically malfunction or they are dumber than one realistically expects, which however isn't their better quality.
And of course Oden tried to kill Orochi and Kaido first, but his first attack was unsuccessful (when he had just returned), so he just did the best he could do in the moment, not being a total maniac either who might have run himself out fighting all alone that moment, and he is someone who can talk and listen besides.
I guess he was counting on the representative value of the true leader or figurehead of Wano dancing like a fool, repeatedly in exchange for the lives of his people, being basically enough to appease Orochi's revenge. He might have expected those hundred(s) of people he saved (did he or didn't he? Apparently he did so far) were the extent of Orochi's revenge, rather than expecting him to want to literally kill all the country, until forever. And Kaido also had a word in this, as the true force and a pirate, and he might have expected to rely more on a pact with a pirate or that simply his scheduling is his priority.
He later did a full-on attack (which was always an option), which was quite close to successful, but luck wasn't on their side. And that's how he got into this situation. Kaido apparently did not go back on his word to not boil the others alive, and I frankly find such a basic promise within his capacity. However it even goes without saying that he then won't leave them alone and have peaceful lives.
All the steps of the story were exhausted, fighting and doing a deal or trying to lessen the burden, and Oden needs to show his character.
That's what's important, and always saying he could have done this and abcd, and preening oneself and sneering, is always pretty pathetic.
It's important to keep in mind, when those low rats in the chapter call him "Idiot Lord", it's just dumb gossip based on looks and because they're sadists (possibly not unlike in Orochi's backstory...), not because they know or care about anything (though simple looks etc. are probably also influential here...).
P.S.: It's funny how easily people are manipulated to now stand behind Orochi now, although it's quite predictable that such a part of a story always comes. Why don't you all marry Orochi-swan now...
Oden is sane to go step by step, one doesn't have to account for any insane, evil person's hypothetical twists in advance, that's how they ultimately show themselves for what they are, and it's just degenerate and "degenerative", serving just lesser or no ends. After all, anyone's brain might hypothetically malfunction or they are dumber than one realistically expects, which however isn't their better quality.
And of course Oden tried to kill Orochi and Kaido first, but his first attack was unsuccessful (when he had just returned), so he just did the best he could do in the moment, not being a total maniac either who might have run himself out fighting all alone that moment, and he is someone who can talk and listen besides.
I guess he was counting on the representative value of the true leader or figurehead of Wano dancing like a fool, repeatedly in exchange for the lives of his people, being basically enough to appease Orochi's revenge. He might have expected those hundred(s) of people he saved (did he or didn't he? Apparently he did so far) were the extent of Orochi's revenge, rather than expecting him to want to literally kill all the country, until forever. And Kaido also had a word in this, as the true force and a pirate, and he might have expected to rely more on a pact with a pirate or that simply his scheduling is his priority.
He later did a full-on attack (which was always an option), which was quite close to successful, but luck wasn't on their side. And that's how he got into this situation. Kaido apparently did not go back on his word to not boil the others alive, and I frankly find such a basic promise within his capacity. However it even goes without saying that he then won't leave them alone and have peaceful lives.
All the steps of the story were exhausted, fighting and doing a deal or trying to lessen the burden, and Oden needs to show his character.
That's what's important, and always saying he could have done this and abcd, and preening oneself and sneering, is always pretty pathetic.
It's important to keep in mind, when those low rats in the chapter call him "Idiot Lord", it's just dumb gossip based on looks and because they're sadists (possibly not unlike in Orochi's backstory...), not because they know or care about anything (though simple looks etc. are probably also influential here...).
P.S.: It's funny how easily people are manipulated to now stand behind Orochi now, although it's quite predictable that such a part of a story always comes. Why don't you all marry Orochi-swan now...
The thought of "Oden genuinely believed Kaido and Orochi would just depart Wano if he keeps dancing" once crossed my mind.
But nah, I refused to believe it, it's too dumb for even Idiot Lord's standard.
Turned out I underestimated him...
Well on the bright side, I know this is still early 2020 but here we go we have a winner already!!
But nah, I refused to believe it, it's too dumb for even Idiot Lord's standard.
Turned out I underestimated him...
Well on the bright side, I know this is still early 2020 but here we go we have a winner already!!
In regards to Toki being so calm during Oden's execution, I found this quote on Japanese royal etiquette. She had to remain calm and poised for her kids and the rest of the country. If she panicked it would symbolize a complete breakdown of the Kozuki Clan.
"To watch the former Empress in particular speak was to see the epitome of idealized Japanese womanhood. Her voice is incredibly soft, her face almost frozen in a semi-smile and her manner exudes poise and refinement."
"To watch the former Empress in particular speak was to see the epitome of idealized Japanese womanhood. Her voice is incredibly soft, her face almost frozen in a semi-smile and her manner exudes poise and refinement."
I'll just leave this link here for all the shipwrights saying it shouldn't take 5 years to build ships 
https://m.q-files.com/history/pirates-galleons/building-a-galleon
https://m.q-files.com/history/pirates-galleons/building-a-galleon
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