General & Others The Great Debate - Will Luffy Solo Kaido this Arc?

[HA001]

Zoro can never be stronger than luffy. You are saying that the zoro who came out of timeskip was stronger than luffy which in itself is an impossibility. No matter how unknown his ceiling is he cannot be stronger.

So if we go by that logic. Dr luffy struggled and needed help against doffy who some can argue is around yc3 level then he struggled and needed help against cracker.

Sanji, like it or not, has always been portrayed to be pretty close in power to zoro ( see enies lobby for a more tangible proof). Doffy was going to wreck him if not for laws help. So we can assume that at the time zoro would’ve given a mid diff fight to doffy, high at most( if were being extremely generous).

Dressrossa and wanos events are 2 weeks apart. So let’s say zoro “trained” ( even tho it’s not as good as actual combat training) and give him give doffy a high extreme diff fight now alright. And let’s add enma to the equation and let’s be really generous and say that after that he from that to high diffing doffy, king would still be above him.

If zoros next fight is king he shits on doflamingo.

 

[Erkan12]

Law should definitely take his turn, Kaido specifically wants him and he said he will get Trafalgar next time, it should be no different than Doflamingo battle, that was just a rehearsal for the Kaido battle. It could be even better with Eustass - Law - Luffy, the original Sabaody trio. Eustass also wants his revenge from Kaido, and he is potentially bigger than Law, unlike Law, Eustass has CoC Haki too.

And Oda should honor that 1 v 1 can't lose hype after lowballing Kaido with Oden Flashbacks, Kaido can't lose.

 

[nik87]

Zoro can never be stronger than luffy. You are saying that the zoro who came out of timeskip was stronger than luffy which in itself is an impossibility. No matter how unknown his ceiling is he cannot be stronger.

So if we go by that logic. Dr luffy struggled and needed help against doffy who some can argue is around yc3 level then he struggled and needed help against cracker.

Sanji, like it or not, has always been portrayed to be pretty close in power to zoro ( see enies lobby for a more tangible proof). Doffy was going to wreck him if not for laws help. So we can assume that at the time zoro would’ve given a mid diff fight to doffy, high at most( if were being extremely generous).

Dressrossa and wanos events are 2 weeks apart. So let’s say zoro “trained” ( even tho it’s not as good as actual combat training) and give him give doffy a high extreme diff fight now alright. And let’s add enma to the equation and let’s be really generous and say that after that he from that to high diffing doffy, king would still be above him.

No reason why Zoro cant be stronger than Luffy back from timeskip, he was kept on the bench and didn't steal Luffy's show.
FI Zoro and Wano Zoro are same, no improvement in between so whatever you will see in Wano it was available back in FI as well, unless it is specifically new PU.

Zoro would trash Doffy and Cracker. Hard fights for Luffy doesnt equal to hard fight for Zoro. Sanji has never been close to Zoro and EL is the biggest lie, Doriki measurement means nothing.

Zoro hasnt shown anything new since TS, he never had a need even for his best move from preTS, Asura. Then there is result of 2 years training and then there is a new PU that he can get mid battle in Wano, that should give you a taste where Zoro's ceiling might be.

 

[Fujishiro]

No reason why Zoro cant be stronger than Luffy back from timeskip, he was kept on the bench and didn't steal Luffy's show.
FI Zoro and Wano Zoro are same, no improvement in between so whatever you will see in Wano it was available back in FI as well, unless it is specifically new PU.

Zoro would trash Doffy and Cracker. Hard fights for Luffy doesnt equal to hard fight for Zoro. Sanji has never been close to Zoro and EL is the biggest lie, Doriki measurement means nothing.

Zoro hasnt shown anything new since TS, he never had a need even for his best move from preTS, Asura. Then there is result of 2 years training and then there is a new PU that he can get mid battle in Wano, that should give you a taste where Zoro's ceiling might be.

Oda himself said that luffy is always the strongest, the fact that you think he was. And that he was that much stronger that he would trash doffy and cracher despite ignoring my comparison to sanji tells me it is not worth it to discuss this further with you my friend. Have a good day/night

 

[HA001]

Oda himself said that luffy is always the strongest, the fact that you think he was. And that he was that much stronger that he would trash doffy and cracher despite ignoring my comparison to sanji tells me it is not worth it to discuss this further with you my friend. Have a good day/night

If he was sanji tier why not get doffy just deal with him with ease like he did to sanji why put an admiral in the way?

 

[Fujishiro]

If he was sanji tier why not get doffy just deal with him with ease like he did to sanji why put an admiral in the way?

Because it was a cool way to reintroduce Fuji and because he’s doffys ally. The same doffy who was laughing while zoro was going in, I guess going by your logic why put Marco between kizaru and whitebeard. It’s for the cool factor.

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If zoros next fight is king he shits on doflamingo.

If luffys next fight after cracker is katakuri he shits on cracker. See how dumb that sounds? You can’t retroactively say that. I’m talking about this current version of doffy.

 

[nik87]

Oda himself said that luffy is always the strongest, the fact that you think he was. And that he was that much stronger that he would trash doffy and cracher despite ignoring my comparison to sanji tells me it is not worth it to discuss this further with you my friend. Have a good day/night

Zoro can cut anything Doffy and Cracker throw at him while Luffy and Sanji cant, the combat style favours Zoro too much and makes the two easy opponents for Zoro.

Just because Luffy and Sanji struggled it doesnt mean Zoro would too, it is not how it works. Zoro is far more effective combatant and far far more lethal.

 

[sanjikun]

Zoro will never beat Sanji with anything less than high diff. That's the way it's always been. Sanji got no diffed by Doffy. Saying Zoro was "Y1C" in Dressrosa is absolute nonsense.

Luffy was Y1C as seen by his match with Katakuri. Zoro was never on that level until Enma. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.

If zoros next fight is king he shits on doflamingo.

You mean this Zoro?

This is Zoro's level

Zoro's next fight IS King. Some of you late comers to this that have 0 clue how to power scale, that denied this shit to begin with, come around and spew nonsense.

 

[nik87]

Zoro will never beat Sanji with anything less than high diff. That's the way it's always been. Sanji got no diffed by Doffy. Saying Zoro was "Y1C" in Dressrosa is absolute nonsense.

Luffy was Y1C as seen by his match with Katakuri. Zoro was never on that level until Enma. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.

Zoro ends Sanji with one clean slice, whatever difficulty you want to call that.
Enma has changed nothing about Zoro.
Luffy was always above Katakuri with G4, FS made it unable to trash him tho.

 

[sanjikun]

Zoro ends Sanji with one clean slice, whatever difficulty you want to call that.
Enma has changed nothing about Zoro.
Luffy was always above Katakuri with G4, FS made it unable to trash him tho.

You know this is fucking bullshit. Zoro and Sanji have always been neck in neck, even if you want to put Zoro above him. Suggesting that Zoro will do to Sanji, what Doffy did to him is plain stupid. There is nothing else to it.

Luffy was always above Katakuri with G4, FS made it unable to trash him tho.

For once I agree, but Luffy =/= Gear 4. Gear 4 is like One Piece's Kaioken. Goku's Power Level is not what he is at at 10 or 20x Kaioken.

 

[Esc]

Luffy will likely get some help at some point (maybe at the beginning), but he'll do most the work and will finish Kaido alone.

 

[nik87]

You know this is fucking bullshit. Zoro and Sanji have always been neck in neck, even if you want to put Zoro above him. Suggesting that Zoro will do to Sanji, what Doffy did to him is plain stupid. There is nothing else to it.

For once I agree, but Luffy =/= Gear 4. Gear 4 is like One Piece's Kaioken. Goku's Power Level is not what he is at at 10 or 20x Kaioken.

Why is it bullshit when Zoro ends all his 1vs1s with a single slice? Why would Sanji be any different? Stronger ppl than Sanji were one shotted, its funny to suggest Sanji would do better.

Yes I agree, Luffy's biggest power is ineffective, whoever finds a way to outlast it can beat him or get close to what beating a protagonist means.

 

[Fujishiro]

Zoro can cut anything Doffy and Cracker throw at him while Luffy and Sanji cant, the combat style favours Zoro too much and makes the two easy opponents for Zoro.

Just because Luffy and Sanji struggled it doesnt mean Zoro would too, it is not how it works. Zoro is far more effective combatant and far far more lethal.

You’re assuming he can get through their haki, I’m sorry I responded again. Take care mate.

 

[Kucing Pencuri]

It will be tag team, like when SHs fight Oz. Maybe Luffy team will fight Kaido and Kid team will fight Linlin.

 

[Fujishiro]

Zoro ends Sanji with one clean slice, whatever difficulty you want to call that.
Enma has changed nothing about Zoro.
Luffy was always above Katakuri with G4, FS made it unable to trash him tho.

G4 wasn’t above kat as he went toe to toe with it and was blocking its attack some times so no.

 

[nik87]

You’re assuming he can get through their haki, I’m sorry I responded again. Take care mate.

Their haki is nothing special, they are barely piercing Luffy, what fodder Hody did with his teeth without haki.

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G4 wasn’t above kat as he went toe to toe with it and was blocking its attack some times so no.

FS made G4 Boundman ineffective bcs it couldnt hit, when it did, it trashed him more than it trashed Doffy.

 

[Finalbeta]

Luffy will likely get some help at some point (maybe at the beginning), but he'll do most the work and will finish Kaido alone.

Oh he will get lot of help my friend unless Oda started with alcoholism all of a sudden haha

 

[Fujishiro]

Their haki is nothing special, they are barely piercing Luffy, what fodder Hody did with his teeth without haki.

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FS made G4 Boundman ineffective bcs it couldnt hit, when it did, it trashed him more than it trashed Doffy.

One kong fun sent doffy flying. Kay blocked several, albeit with difficulty. When luffy was in snakeman they were literally trading blows so idk what you’re talking about.

 

[nik87]

One kong fun sent doffy flying. Kay blocked several, albeit with difficulty. When luffy was in snakeman they were literally trading blows so idk what you’re talking about.

Katakuri is physically stronger but Doffy tanked them way better even while exhausted while Katakuri was fresh.

Snakeman lacks power, Katakuri literally stopped caring about being hit by it.

 

[Reborn]

Great debate?