General & Others The Great Debate - Will Luffy Solo Kaido this Arc?

[Reborn]

We forgive the children afraid of dark, but real tragedy of one piece is when grown ups are afraid to see the light....

Zoro can't participate? Who decided that? Not oda for sure because he is clearly laying down hints that he will participate..


No one in alliance is strong enough for Kaido. That's why team work will happen...so argument that zoro is weak so can't participate is utter BS...

I don't know why people can't even co-relate the purpose of enma and oda giving it to zoro.. it's no rocket science...

Zoro will not defeat Kaido but he will participate and will cut him...

 

[HA001]

We forgive the children afraid of dark, but real tragedy of one piece is when grown ups are afraid to see the light....

Zoro can't participate? Who decided that? Not oda for sure because he is clearly laying down hints that he will participate..


No one in alliance is strong enough for Kaido. That's why team work will happen...so argument that zoro is weak so can't participate is utter BS...

I don't know people cant

Its ok when killer fought kaido
Its ok that brook and chopper and nami and jinbe fought meme.

But god forbid zoro even sees kaido.

 

[Reborn]

Its ok when killer fought kaido
Its ok that brook and chopper and nami and jinbe fought meme.

But god forbid zoro even sees kaido.

Its defensive mechanism. They simply can't accept this as it shatters their headcannon bubble in which they were living for years....


Worse is they clearly neglecting what wano is suggesting and coming out of BS arguments to defend their claim and then say our wank is out of this world...what a joke

 

[Ryuarashi]

Zoro will cut himself instead of cutting Kaido just like how his left eye got cut

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro will cut himself instead of cutting Kaido just like how his left eye got cut

Eye power incoming my friend.

Oda is no fool who would let the co-MC be scarred by a monkey.

 

[Homelander]

After reading this chapter i kind of believe there is good chance oda wants luffy vs kaido solo or else i dont see luffy surpassing oden by end of this arc .

 

[Erkan12]

Jinbe faced Big mom when they were trying to run away and it was Skinny Big mom. And she still caught them. What Jinbe suppose to do? Not run and not trying to resist her?

Killer fought Kaido because there was no one else to fight, Kaido soloed them, he didn't bring any reinforcements. Killer was not going sit back and enjoy the show. Both examples are wrong if you are comparing with the current Wano situation.

There are many people who have issues with Kaido; Law, Eustass, and Luffy. Oda never build that up for Zoro. Someone needs to deal with Orochi, and that should be Zoro, because Oda build that up due to Yasue and Hiyori storyline, Zoro has an unfinished business with Kyoshiro and Orochi first. And then who will deal with King and Queen? And there is also Jack. There are many things to do other than Kaido, and people like Law, Eustass and Luffy are already targeting Kaido at this point but Zoro should fight Kaido? Someone needs to deal with others first, they are not easy to deal especially All-star beasts pirates. Oda even brought Marco for that reason and if Marco joins he would probably defeat Kaido's men or fight with Big mom or destroy her army. They specifically said that Kaido’s and Orochi's army is large and who will deal with them if everyone fights with Kaido?

At this point it doesn't make sense that Zoro will fight against Kaido, due to not building that confrontation and instead Oda build something with Orochi and his dog Kyoshiro, before that Zoro also fought Hitokiri Kamazou, who was Killer in disguise but still working for Orochi not even for Kaido.

 

[HA001]

Jinbe faced Big mom when they were trying to run away and it was Skinny Big mom. And she still caught them. What Jinbe suppose to do? Not run and not trying to resist her?

Killer fought Kaido because there was no one else to fight, Kaido soloed them, he didn't bring any reinforcements. Killer was not going sit back and enjoy the show. Both examples are wrong if you are comparing with the current Wano situation.

There are many people who have issues with Kaido; Law, Eustass, and Luffy. Oda never build that up for Zoro. Someone needs to deal with Orochi, and that should be Zoro, because Oda build that up due to Yasue and Hiyori storyline, Zoro has an unfinished business with Kyoshiro and Orochi first. And then who will deal with King and Queen? And there is also Jack. There are many things to do other than Kaido, and people like Law, Eustass and Luffy are already targeting Kaido at this point but Zoro should fight Kaido? Someone needs to deal with others first, they are not easy to deal especially All-star beasts pirates. Oda even brought Marco for that reason and if Marco joins he would probably defeat Kaido's men or fight with Big mom or destroy her army. They specifically said that Kaido’s and Orochi's army is large and who will deal with them if everyone fights with Kaido?

At this point it doesn't make sense that Zoro will fight against Kaido, due to not building thst confrontation and instead Oda build something with Orochi and his dog Kyoshiro, before that Zoro also fought Hitokiri Kamazou, who was Killer in disguise but still working for Orochi not even for Kaido.

Yet none of you can answer why oda didnt give zoro the ame no habikiri the snake slayer sword the sword literally famed in japan for slaying the yamata no orochi when we have a guy called orochi who has the snake snake fruit model yamata no orochi.

 

[JerAx]

My wish : shp vs kaido with zoro and luffy as the climax fight

What probably hapen : kid law luffy vs kaido

 

[HA001]

As for build up orochi says to oden anyone who attacks for him will have kaido to answer to not to mention one of the last things zoro hears off yasu is no one has been able to take kaidos head in 20 years not orochi kaidos..

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My wish : shp vs kaido with zoro and luffy as the climax fight

What probably hapen : kid law luffy vs kaido

Either way supernovas or shs zoro gets in.

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Besides erkan like you said orochi fed killer the smile and him work like a dog and killer is kidds partner so now is his fight suddenly orochi instead?

 

[True God Moe]

You dont really think that Luffy can solo Kaido, do you?
Kidd said that Kaido will pay for this so at least Kidd will join.
Law is one who targeted Kaido from the start, he will join too.
Killer fought Kaido, being weak didnt stop him.
But for some reason the wielder of Enma cant participate...

He wants to be solo fight more than anyone else and Oda will make it happen. Only people I can see getting involved are Kidd and Law, that's about it, but majority especially last chapter shows, Luffy is the one to take him down truly and majorly. It's important not just on the story, but also himself as if he can't learn to fight off an Yonko more himself, then he won't feel like he earned to be PK. He doesn't want to run and from enemies and head to his goal, he want to take them all out.

Enma can join in, but by Luffy's hands to use his power to slay him. Oda not undercard an Yonko that Luffy's surbodinate can damage him easily and beat him. That just dumb writing there when Luffy stated he wants to be on to take him out.

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My wish : shp vs kaido with zoro and luffy as the climax fight

What probably hapen : kid law luffy vs kaido

Zoro will get dropped if nerf Kamazou can make him faint. It be unrealistic to see him face off Kaido and not go down from serious blow from him. Oda doesn't do BS powerscaling like that.

 

[nik87]

He wants to be solo fight more than anyone else and Oda will make it happen. Only people I can see getting involved are Kidd and Law, that's about it, but majority especially last chapter shows, Luffy is the one to take him down truly and majorly. It's important not just on the story, but also himself as if he can't learn to fight off an Yonko more himself, then he won't feel like he earned to be PK. He doesn't want to run and from enemies and head to his goal, he want to take them all out.

Enma can join in, but by Luffy's hands to use his power to slay him. Oda not undercard an Yonko that Luffy's surbodinate can damage him easily and beat him. That just dumb writing there when Luffy stated he wants to be on to take him out.

Enma would defeat Luffy if he ever picks it up, he would be drained in a second and he already has Haki problem due to his G4 and especially now due to blasting.

Kaido wont be solo fight, there will be more ppl involved against Kaido than there were against Oars. Luffy can go fight Big Mom and even that wont be a solo fight while Zorojuro needs to kill Kaido because nobody else can.

 

[True God Moe]

Based on the fact that Momo refused the sword he was given he won't be cutting Kaido. You have no argument there.

You think that Zoro it's going to play around with Kaido like he did with Killer and not take all surrounding threat serious. We saw what happened when Kappa attacked him while he was distracted fighting. That was pre Emna training. Zoro still has become the second coming Ryuma. Zoro won't go down easy he never has and never will.

Never seen him said he won't use it. Momo want to get after people who destroyed his family and people. He be using it in the war and it shown heavily it was important to be in use as much as Enma. Oden never state any of his blades is superior than other as he use both in a fight and use both to give famous scar on Kaido. Fact is that Oden needed to do that with both blades, so which means Zoro not going to go beyond and face him when it took 2 blades from skill swordsman to do it. He get smacked hard especially Kaido at full power and taking things seriously with blade won't fall for someone to easily damage him again like that.

Nah, Zoro is Zoro while Ryuma is Ryuma, but he is all hype and no substance since we never seen visible feats to gauge him. It means nothing. Zoro will go down if he is beaten by an fainter and fox and couldn't beat latter once. Having a blade doesn't change all your stats if your still shit on speed, durability, stamina, and so on.

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Enma would defeat Luffy if he ever picks it up, he would be drained in a second and he already has Haki problem due to his G4 and especially now due to blasting.

Kaido wont be solo fight, there will be more ppl involved against Kaido than there were against Oars. Luffy can go fight Big Mom and even that wont be a solo fight while Zorojuro needs to kill Kaido because nobody else can.

Luffy got better chances than man who faints from one stab while he can tank Katakuri's attacks into his rib and kept fighting. Luffy's Haki is superior over Zoro and that is canon fact. Your idea Zoro is stronger one is Two-Piece and doesn't make sense at all.

He be team at first, but through it all it ends in one on one with Luffy and Kaido. Zoro facing Kaido has no logic especially to sending Luffy to beat BM when purpose of this arc for him to face Kaido in the end. Your logic doesn't make sense one bit at all. Zoro won't get involve in the fight as he respect Luffy to handle his own fights. He also won't do something when he couldn't handle fodder-like enemies in fainting him down. Your headcannons doesnt' justify the means as Oda can swerved and make things unpredictable on Enma approach and thinking Zoro will beat Kaido with it is not one you should bet everything on when Luffy said he be the one to beta him in the end.

 

[nik87]

Luffy got better chances than man who faints from one stab while he can tank Katakuri's attacks into his rib and kept fighting. Luffy's Haki is superior over Zoro and that is canon fact. Your idea Zoro is stronger one is Two-Piece and doesn't make sense at all.

He be team at first, but through it all it ends in one on one with Luffy and Kaido. Zoro facing Kaido has no logic especially to sending Luffy to beat BM when purpose of this arc for him to face Kaido in the end. Your logic doesn't make sense one bit at all. Zoro won't get involve in the fight as he respect Luffy to handle his own fights. He also won't do something when he couldn't handle fodder-like enemies in fainting him down. Your headcannons doesnt' justify the means as Oda can swerved and make things unpredictable on Enma approach and thinking Zoro will beat Kaido with it is not one you should bet everything on when Luffy said he be the one to beta him in the end.

Luffy is too ineffective and not lethal enough. Zoro can end it in one clean slice. Fainting doesnt matter, it never mattered, it wont help Kaido when Zoro cuts his head off. Luffy may do the most work against Kaido but he cant kill him nor beat him in 1vs1, Zoro will save the day just like he did in Thriller Bark against Kuma.

Big Mom came after Luffy, it is his job to take care of her, with help of some other allies who may have a connection to her. BM is as much of a threat in Wano as Kaido is. There is no respect in Kaido/Big Mom fight, its a slaughterhouse. I am not betting on Zoro beating Kaido, nobody in Wano can do that in 1vs1, I am betting on Zoro killing Kaido, that is different.

 

[True God Moe]

Luffy is too ineffective and not lethal enough. Zoro can end it in one clean slice. Fainting doesnt matter, it never mattered, it wont help Kaido when Zoro cuts his head off. Luffy may do the most work against Kaido but he cant kill him nor beat him in 1vs1, Zoro will save the day just like he did in Thriller Bark against Kuma.

Big Mom came after Luffy, it is his job to take care of her, with help of some other allies who may have a connection to her. BM is as much of a threat in Wano as Kaido is. There is no respect in Kaido/Big Mom fight, its a slaughterhouse. I am not betting on Zoro beating Kaido, nobody in Wano can do that in 1vs1, I am betting on Zoro killing Kaido, that is different.

Nah, Luffy is always superior one and always will be. Zoro is hardly lethal like he used to be in pre-timeskip. Come back when he stop being hype tool by all his opponents so far in Wano. Kamazou and Gyukimaro easily got his number.

Enough with trolls as we all know Kaido just need one touch and Zoro faints again like before, but much worse.

Luffy wants Kaido, he go after BM after Kaido. He stated that in WCI. Where you think he let someone else fight his own battles with Kaido? Nice headcannon there, but no, it's not Two-Piece, it's One Piece and Goda wants Luffy to dominate both Yonkos, not his underling. Killing goes ins defeat you, fool. Zoro will get murked easily and won't be touching Kaido and probably kill him instead as he is nothing like Oden and will be destroyed harshly for it.

 

[nik87]

Nah, Luffy is always superior one and always will be. Zoro is hardly lethal like he used to be in pre-timeskip. Come back when he stop being hype tool by all his opponents so far in Wano. Kamazou and Gyukimaro easily got his number.

Enough with trolls as we all know Kaido just need one touch and Zoro faints again like before, but much worse.

Luffy wants Kaido, he go after BM after Kaido. He stated that in WCI. Where you think he let someone else fight his own battles with Kaido? Nice headcannon there, but no, it's not Two-Piece, it's One Piece and Goda wants Luffy to dominate both Yonkos, not his underling. Killing goes ins defeat you, fool. Zoro will get murked easily and won't be touching Kaido and probably kill him instead as he is nothing like Oden and will be destroyed harshly for it.

Luffy needs many hits to put an opponent down, Zoro needs one. Lethality has always been on Zoro's side and it will remain that way.
Last time I checked Gyukimaru was keeping his eyes from falling out from how blown away by Zoro's power he was when he sliced Killer like a pizza.

We know that one touch is enough to ohko Luffy, we dont know how much Kaido needs to take Zoro out because they never met.
Kaido may need one touch to ohko everyone, doesnt change anything, Zoro needs one slice to ohko Kaido too.
He let someone else fight his own battles because he is a rookie playing pirate games and cant beat any Emperor alone.

He couldnt beat Doffy alone, he couldnt beat Cracker alone, he couldnt beat Katakuri without Brulee and you are saying he will not only beat Kaido but also Big Mom. And you say I am trolling? If you consider killing as defeating, then yes, Zoro is defeating Kaido, makes no difference to me but I am not calling it a defeat. Well, by the end of Wano, one of us will celebrate, the other will cry, either way, it will be a fiesta.

 

[True God Moe]

Luffy needs many hits to put an opponent down, Zoro needs one. Lethality has always been on Zoro's side and it will remain that way.
Last time I checked Gyukimaru was keeping his eyes from falling out from how blown away by Zoro's power he was when he sliced Killer like a pizza.

We know that one touch is enough to ohko Luffy, we dont know how much Kaido needs to take Zoro out because they never met.
Kaido may need one touch to ohko everyone, doesnt change anything, Zoro needs one slice to ohko Kaido too.
He let someone else fight his own battles because he is a rookie playing pirate games and cant beat any Emperor alone.

He couldnt beat Doffy alone, he couldnt beat Cracker alone, he couldnt beat Katakuri without Brulee and you are saying he will not only beat Kaido but also Big Mom. And you say I am trolling? If you consider killing as defeating, then yes, Zoro is defeating Kaido, makes no difference to me but I am not calling it a defeat. Well, by the end of Wano, one of us will celebrate, the other will cry, either way, it will be a fiesta.

You do realize Luffy had tougher opponents than Zoro so of course they take more effort to take down. By your logic, Usopp is stronger than Zoro given enemies he beaten easily with more one-hit than Zoro. Actually he did defeat that Rust Guy who Zoro had trouble with, so might be a theory of his latent abilities ;).

Zoro use a lot of attacks and his enemies dodge, tank, and came back harder to damage him more. Your argument falls flat man and Zoro hasn't face anyone at lvl stronger or at Luffy's lvl. Beating Hody, doesn't make you stronger than beating Katakuri. Credible Foe vs Fodder Enemy. You know how power-scaling works, right?

Gyukimaro never lost a fight and was active until Kappa came to stop it between them. Zoro didn't even earn his sword back at all and had to be bargain with. It makes Zoro looks bad, not strong at all.

Since when Zoro can handle more than Luffy when same arc he got defeated by nerf Kamazou who with one stab. Are you honestly saying Kamazou is over Kaido? !!!

Your headcannon is fucking up your arguments man. I can't take you seriously at all. Not that I ever did XD.

Zoro couldn't beat most of his NW opponents alone either, you know that right? Also Luffy take them out majorly himself than other person doing whole work. Not same thing. If you honestly thinking Zoro will face Kaido one on one, beating him by himself and Luffy will have no part of it while facing BM, then your headcannonis worse than anyone on this thread. Your Two-Piece clouded you from being serious and your going to hurt yourself badly after what Wano shows. I'll hold you up on that if you think Zoro will face him and beat him by himself since you failed to see who MC and who stated they will beat Kaido himself being Luffy.

 

[nik87]

You do realize Luffy had tougher opponents than Zoro so of course they take more effort to take down. By your logic, Usopp is stronger than Zoro given enemies he beaten easily with more one-hit than Zoro. Actually he did defeat that Rust Guy who Zoro had trouble with, so might be a theory of his latent abilities ;).

Zoro use a lot of attacks and his enemies dodge, tank, and came back harder to damage him more. Your argument falls flat man and Zoro hasn't face anyone at lvl stronger or at Luffy's lvl. Beating Hody, doesn't make you stronger than beating Katakuri. Credible Foe vs Fodder Enemy. You know how power-scaling works, right?

Gyukimaro never lost a fight and was active until Kappa came to stop it between them. Zoro didn't even earn his sword back at all and had to be bargain with. It makes Zoro looks bad, not strong at all.

Since when Zoro can handle more than Luffy when same arc he got defeated by nerf Kamazou who with one stab. Are you honestly saying Kamazou is over Kaido? !!!

Your headcannon is fucking up your arguments man. I can't take you seriously at all. Not that I ever did XD.

Zoro couldn't beat most of his NW opponents alone either, you know that right? Also Luffy take them out majorly himself than other person doing whole work. Not same thing. If you honestly thinking Zoro will face Kaido one on one, beating him by himself and Luffy will have no part of it while facing BM, then your headcannonis worse than anyone on this thread. Your Two-Piece clouded you from being serious and your going to hurt yourself badly after what Wano shows. I'll hold you up on that if you think Zoro will face him and beat him by himself since you failed to see who MC and who stated they will beat Kaido himself being Luffy.

How is fainting preventing Zoro from killing Kaido?

 

[Chaves]

The fight will be mostly Luffy vs Kaido 1vs1, with some asterisks. (sheaths and strawhatz trying to hold it for Luffy to retrieve haki).

The chance of Zoro to have an important participation in the defeat against Kaido is absolutely 0, this is something of fanboy delirium. All you can expect from Zoro is that it serves as a hype tool for Kaido to leverage. There is no accumulation for Zoro to be fighting Kaido, the enma was just a boost for him to improve his haki, nothing more, and the reference with Ryuuma telling the dragon was already made in punk hazard.

Oda's idea has always been to make Luffy defeat, in his 2016 interview, he clearly said he was trying to find ways to make Luffy defeat Kaido. So Luffy will be facing Kaido, and in the last chapter it became clear that Luffy is the man that Oden hopes to do what he was unable to do (defeat Kaido), so Luffy will defeat Kaido and will overcome Oden. Meanwhile, any man knows that Zoro will face King, however, even after Wano, the plot requires that Zoro still be weaker than Benn and Shiryu.

 

[True God Moe]

How is fainting preventing Zoro from killing Kaido?

You think he can tank Kaido attacks even full power? Nah, he is dusted by a touch from him.