General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Gilgamesh]

- yes it is, that's not up for a debate.

It can only be a twist once we know the end result. That's literally how twists work.

This is right, but EACH ONE OF THEM, was introduced VERY EARLY with the capacity for the post. And during a moment of great conflict. We are almost 70 chapters in Yamato's introduction, this is taking too long, it won't happen.

Robin was introduced in Whiskey Peak and didn't show an inkling of her archeology prowess until Alabasta several arcs later and not until the very end of the arc.

Those could indeed be moral pillars if at least ONE of them would be characterize in something else than a shadow. Moral pillars are not just persons in the background that help the character. It's someone IMPORTANT that shaped the way for the character and sacrificed a lot for him. The moral Pillar must therefore be a strong character in the story, meaning that he must have a LOT of panel time.

You're making an awful lot of qualifiers. Oden is Yamato's moral pillar with the samurai and arguably Ace just further bolstering her desires to leave. I don't know what you mean by them being "characterized in shadow" since we see what they look like and how they acted. Oden inspired Yamato by being her pinnacle of freedom, and the samurai taught her how to read so she could read Oden's stories which only inspired more. Ace just further cemented her interest, even telling her about the upcoming pirates of the time and piquing her interest in Luffy which we've seen has developed even more for her afterwards.

Also, explain Usopp and Brooke then. Usopp's moral pillar could at best be his mom, who didn't shape him since he took up lying mostly to improve her spirits on his own and no greater lesson was imparted from her. Brooke could be Yorki if you squint, and that's being generous. Lastly, most of the moral pillars have very little panel time mostly cause they're dead. Only Zeff had a significant amount. Oden certainly has had more than most of them.

Good point Chopper only met half the crew until he joined... like Carrot. But like Carrot, Chopper developped a STRONG bond with the member he was with. That's what I'm talking about with the word "dynamic". Yamato don't have that. At all. And you are forgetting that Franky made friend with Usopp during a large number of chapter (same he befriended Sanji on the train arriving to Enies Lobby)

That isn't a point in anyone's favor because it's not a point at all. Only interactions with Luffy matter, because that's the only consistency in terms of recruitment when it comes to crew interactions. And as far as interactions with Luffy go, as I said before Yamato has already treated Luffy as a leader and Luffy has shown more concern for Yamato than he has for Carrot. Hell, there's a laundry list of characters Luffy has shown more concern for and bonded with than Carrot in Wano alone. Carrot didn't even care enough about the Straw Hats to keep assisting with the raid which is their main goal right now, and none of the Straw Hats have considered Carrot's whereabouts or well-being since she's left.

I also wouldn't consider Sanji and Franky friends when they're on the train, Sanji tolerated him at best. Being physically near each other =/= friends.

Yamato did not acted toward her goal of being a mugiwara, she only acted toward one goal at this moment: Protecting Momo and Wano.

Once she learned that Luffy was on Onigashima, she went out of her way to find him and ask him to join. Luffy gave her an order to protect Momo and Shinobu, which Yamato happily accepted to prove her usefulness and trustworthiness to him, and did so again for Franky when they met by taking out Hatcha and informing Franky that Luffy already entrusted her with protecting Momo and Shinobu. This also shows that she has studied the crew since she knew Franky by his name and epithet without being formally introduced. She proceeded to then leave Momo behind in order to go back up to the roof in order to assist Luffy with fighting Kaido. Once she found that Luffy wasn't there, she took it upon herself to stall Kaido specifically until Luffy could return and take over the fight. Once he did, Yamato understood without Luffy saying anything that he wanted to fight Kaido alone and readily stood aside for him. She has done plenty to show that she wants to be a crew member.

Jinbe on the other hand "acted" directely toward his goal of being a strawhat by saving Luffy, destroying Opera and challenging Big Mom.

Yamato saved Luffy from Ulti and destroyed her, and challenged Kaido.

Only for a good reason : to save Wano not to save Luffy or his crew

...because she wanted to help Luffy fight Kaido.

Yamato is not close to Luffy. Luffy only spoke to her 10 minutes top and was most of the time frustrated by what Yamato was saying. Yamato is respected by Luffy as an ally, but she is not close to him like Carrot is (remember Luffy shares food only with his close friends)

He's spoken to Yamato more than he has Carrot, and has even had a full 1-on-1 discussion with her like other Straw Hats (and not Carrot). Luffy has literally not acknowledged Carrot once in Wano.

 

[jordin]

Yamato hasn't spoken to many people who witnessed Yamato's transformations. Who is going to have these conversations with Yamato about their Devil Fruit's meaning and history? I can only think of Wano natives with that type of information but that situation has yet to be presented for Yamato to display and interact. When the Wano natives see transformed Yamato during or after the festival will be a great gauge on the Guardian Deity argument.

She already said her fruit being based on a guardian deity doesn't mean anything to her. Don't see how other people recognizing it would make a difference, especially at the party where she has the perfect chance to join Luffy.

Yamato can exclaim whatever it doesn't make it true. Doesn't mean it can't change either.

All you're doing here is saying that its technically not impossible, which isn't an argument. What is currently challenging her desire to leave Wano and go on adventures besides the main villain? Not even Momo has hinted at wanting her to stay with him nor does he value her anywhere nearly as he does with his scabbards.

"Studying the crew ahead of time and memorizing their bounties" puts Yamato as a fan like Bartolomeo so using that reasoning at best puts Yamato as a possible Strawhat Grand Fleet Commander. Maybe a new 0th or 8th Division Commander.

Except Barto wasn't aiming to join Luffy's crew and said he preferred watching from afar. Yamato said multiple times she wants to join him. So while Barto was doing it purely for fanboyism, Yamato was doing it since she's set on leaving with them.

 

[dizzy2341]

Wrong, when brook asked if he could join and Luffy said yes. All the strawhats were shocked and said “that’s it?” Luffy decided on his own.
and if Luffy decides that Yamato can join the strawhats will respect his decision.
At the end of the day Luffy is the Captain

I'm not talking about in-story. Obviously Luffy is the one whose decision matters in that. I mean from the audience's perspective. Oda makes new members feel like a part of the family before they join.

Taking Brook, he shared a meal with the whole crew, then spent the rest of the arc bonding with them, including the big straw hat vs Oars fight. Yamao has none of that.

 

[Uncle Van]

YAWN why u guys still use WCI arc? why will oda still use that when they already beat the Perospero while that so-called trauma has already been flushed out after his defeat while Yamato has most worst than carrot like she was abused by her father also, was put in a cave without any food also have on bomb on her hands if she leaves the island not to mention that kaido killed anyone that gives her food and being kind to her also Yamato backstory is going to connect with kaido also we don't know where was yamato and kaido from u
And what was yamato doing before wano

Enough with the clown talk

 

[Ravagerblade]

I'm not talking about in-story. Obviously Luffy is the one whose decision matters in that. I mean from the audience's perspective. Oda makes new members feel like a part of the family before they join.

Taking Brook, he shared a meal with the whole crew, then spent the rest of the arc bonding with them, including the big straw hat vs Oars fight. Yamao has none of that.

Robin Chopper, sanji, zoro, Nami, Zoro, Franky, All felt like apart of the family?
Hahahahahaha COPE!

 

[Animangaboy]

Enough with the clown talk

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[Logiko]

Yamato is not a teacher or mentor figure to momo. If someone is mentor figure to momo it is kinemon and rest of the samurai that travel with him through time. Hell, kinemon had a flashback when he said to momo that he will be his father figure for the time being.

- Revolutionnaries are not here
- The grand fleet only has the vivre card of Luffy
- Garp is not here and has no reason to protect Wano
- Same for Koby and smoker

If the gouvernment is trying to annexe Wano, only a strong power will be able to do that.

The scabbards are injured and kinda powerless right now, even them couldn't do much against Kaido.. so against an admiral..

Wano needs Luffy, but it needs more, a caution, someone with high power, enough power to train Momo in order for him to really protect the country. And the only person available is Yamato.

Because yes, Yamato has been a mentor figure until now for Momo. That's what Oda did during all their encounters.

Carrot on other hand is not special mink that makes her different from others she just below them. In addition, her resolution for personal problem were dealt by non strawhat members. Does it really make sense for a character who has barley done anything throughout entire arc and her resolution who was solve by non strawhat to join Luffy’s crew? If that were the case Rebecca or paulie would join Luffy’s crew than.

Carrot IS a special mink. This was cleared by the way she was portrayed by the story and the way she interacted with the strawhats. This is undeniable.

I think that like a lot of people here, you are confusing "joining the crew" and "being recruted". To join. Carrot has done MORE THAN ENOUGH In whole cake. In fact she did more in whole cake that a LOT of strawhats before they joined. And Wano DOESN'T NEGATE what happened in whole cake! It's only to be recruted that Carrot will have to shine a bit more.

Carrot has history half of the strawhats. Losing her mentor figure in real time. She has role that other people can do as well.

Like many strawhats as I already explained multiple time.

However, Carrot does not have extendable backstory worth sharing

Whole cake is her backstory

The only thing she did alongside Wanda was to save marco after that her fight cut short. She did not even mention anything what the dawn is about

It was implied, so implied in fact that the anime literally expended on that making Carrot mentionned that she would go forward in direction of the dawn.

YAWN why u guys still use WCI arc?

Because we are in the YONKO SAGA. We are not only in Wano. Whole cake is part of the entire storyline of this saga, and ignoring whole cake is like ignoring setups and parts of the story. Carrot is only hidded for the second part of this story, the first part, carrot was in COMPLETELY.

so-called trauma

What the fudge is this mentality?


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It can only be a twist once we know the end result. That's literally how twists work.

Subversion dialogues are not twists. They are tools to subvert expectation. And they can be spotted early. That's what I did there.

Robin was introduced in Whiskey Peak and didn't show an inkling of her archeology prowess until Alabasta several arcs later and not until the very end of the arc.

Because you are only analysing the surface here.

Robin's job is not to be an archeologist. If that was the case, there would be a LOT more tumbs and corpse to search for in the story. Robin's job is to be a CAP GIVER. Basically she is like Christopher Columbus (minus the killing and enslaving parts) she is not here to stear the ship, or to be a gunner or to navigate.. she is here to give us the ROAD toward the end point of the story and toward the next artefact that will give us wordlbuilding's development.

Robin is the one who guides the crew. She is the one who opens the road for them.

Now, let's go back to that introduction shall we ? Chapter 114

First, you will go check the title of the chapter, both in english (multiple traductions) and in japanese. Most of the time, Oda is giving us two meaning in a chapter's title. Now really think about this title and come back to the following argument.

Second, look at what Robin is doing in this chapter, first with the hat of Luffy, then with the crew. Ask yourself the question .. why is she doing it ?

You will have - logically - understood the whole point of Robin's introduction and why her post, was hinted since the beginning.

Oden is Yamato's moral pillar

Oden didn't know Yamato. He sacrified nothing for her personnally.

That isn't a point in anyone's favor because it's not a point at all. Only interactions with Luffy matter, because that's the only consistency in terms of recruitment when it comes to crew interactions. And as far as interactions with Luffy go, as I said before Yamato has already treated Luffy as a leader and Luffy has shown more concern for Yamato than he has for Carrot. Hell, there's a laundry list of characters Luffy has shown more concern for and bonded with than Carrot in Wano alone. Carrot didn't even care enough about the Straw Hats to keep assisting with the raid which is their main goal right now, and none of the Straw Hats have considered Carrot's whereabouts or well-being since she's left.

I also wouldn't consider Sanji and Franky friends when they're on the train, Sanji tolerated him at best. Being physically near each other =/= friends.

No. By watching this video you will understand that having a dynamic with the crew is part of a very CLEAR pattern in the recruitment of each strawhats:

(this is not me)

Once she learned that Luffy was on Onigashima, she went out of her way to find him and ask him to join. Luffy gave her an order to protect Momo and Shinobu, which Yamato happily accepted to prove her usefulness and trustworthiness to him, and did so again for Franky when they met by taking out Hatcha and informing Franky that Luffy already entrusted her with protecting Momo and Shinobu. This also shows that she has studied the crew since she knew Franky by his name and epithet without being formally introduced. She proceeded to then leave Momo behind in order to go back up to the roof in order to assist Luffy with fighting Kaido. Once she found that Luffy wasn't there, she took it upon herself to stall Kaido specifically until Luffy could return and take over the fight. Once he did, Yamato understood without Luffy saying anything that he wanted to fight Kaido alone and readily stood aside for him. She has done plenty to show that she wants to be a crew member.

Studying the crew doesn't make Yamato closer to the strawhats, in fact it makes her closer to bartholomeo: a fan.

Yamato saved Luffy from Ulti and destroyed her, and challenged Kaido.

Luffy was about to hit gear fourth. Yamato didn't save Luffy, she only put out Ulti faster.

...because she wanted to help Luffy fight Kaido.

The reason behind Yamato's action is not to help Luffy, It's to protect Wano.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Even Shirahoshi at least made a promise with the whole crew that she would go with them to the upper part of the world in the future. But still she will never really join the crew.

Yamato, on the other hand, has almost only been acting as Momo's guardian, and just gained even more reason to stay to protect him now that she found out he is a chosen one who can talk to Zou.

Luffy definitely rejecting Yamato in the end will be a good character development for him, showing how he has grown, so now he understands better how it's not anyone who can join the crew, especially considering how many procedures Jinbei went through before finally joining. And it will be nice to see it happening to show how much he treasures the characters who are already in the crew.

Yeah, sure, Luffy’s gonna do a complete heel turn 1050+ chapters into being a static character and suddenly reject someone in the same arc that he agreed to give fucking Caribou a ride out of Wano

 

[Animangaboy]

I don't understand.. I really don't..

I can understand that you like Yamato.. but how can you be so blindesided toward her that you completely ignores what Carrot went through ?

Carrot lost her mentor, someone she views as a big Brother/father figure. Someone she respected enough to put his on color on her while being a musketeers..

Carrot HAS a trauma, and that makes whole cake her BACKSTORY.

What Carrot has that Yamato doesn't ?

Because we are in the YONKO SAGA. We are not only in Wano. Whole cake is part of the entire storyline of this saga, and ignoring whole cake is like ignoring setups and parts of the story. Carrot is only hidded for the second part of this story, the first part, carrot was in COMPLETELY.

If you call that carrot backstory, u should be ashamed cause we don't see anything other than that little scene with Pedro, meanwhile, Pedro has more character development and also backstory than carrot

 

[dizzy2341]

There are a gazillion different ways Oda can reasonably have Yamao decide she wants to stick with Momo. She wouldn't be changing any of her core ideals at all. Besides, it not the first time we've seen someone in her situation before either:

Stuck on an island for 20 years, all alone and miserable? Check ✔

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Loves the pirate lifestyle and adventuring? Check ✔

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Had something that was chaining them to the island? Check ✔

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Has a good understanding of Luffy's character? Check ✔

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Personally invited by Luffy himself to join the crew as the only possible solution? Yamao can only dream

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Declines the invite and decides to stay on the island anyways to become its guardian and protect his newfound friends. :yasu::yasu:

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With his source of conflict resolved and the situation reevaluated, he's excited to finally enjoy that same island that caused him all that misery.

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Some of you are about to have the shock of your life when Yamao, the Guardian of Wano, inevitably decides that she... wants to guard Wano... And I absolutely cannot wait to witness it firsthand. As much as I'd love for Luffy to outright reject her, I suppose this will cause just as much chaos.

 

[Animangaboy]

Studying the crew doesn't make Yamato closer to the strawhats, in fact it makes her closer to bartholomeo: a fan.

How is that a fan if she was waiting on luffy to come to wano she wants to know about luffy and his crew that's why she does her research ... Like really?

 

[Logiko]

If you call that carrot backstory, u should be ashamed cause we don't see anything other than that little scene with Pedro, meanwhile, Pedro has more character development and also backstory than carrot

The thing is, Carrot backstory is still in writing. it's not only whole cake, it's her present!

How is that a fan if she was waiting on luffy to come to wano she wants to know about luffy and his crew that's why she does her research ... Like really?

Someone who just wait, wait. SOmeone who is a fan learns everything about what they likes. Yamato is clearly a fan.

 

[Animangaboy]

Carrot IS a special mink. This was cleared by the way she was portrayed by the story and the way she interacted with the strawhats. This is undeniable.

I think that like a lot of people here, you are confusing "joining the crew" and "being recruted". To join. Carrot has done MORE THAN ENOUGH In whole cake. In fact she did more in whole cake that a LOT of strawhats before they joined. And Wano DOESN'T NEGATE what happened in whole cake! It's only to be recruted that Carrot will have

If she was a special" MINK" why was she such a disappoint in wano where does it state saying that she was special????

 

[Logiko]

There are a gazillion different ways Oda can reasonably have Yamao decide she wants to stick with Momo. She wouldn't be changing any of her core ideals at all. Besides, it not the first time we've seen someone in her situation before either:

Stuck on an island for 20 years, all alone and miserable? Check ✔

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Loves the pirate lifestyle and adventuring? Check ✔

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Had something that was chaining them to the island? Check ✔

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Has a good understanding of Luffy's character? Check ✔

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Personally invited by Luffy himself to join the crew as the only possible solution? Yamao can only dream

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Declines the invite and decides to stay on the island anyways to become its guardian and protect his newfound friends. :yasu::yasu:

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With his source of conflict resolved and the situation reevaluated, he's excited to finally enjoy that same island that caused him all that misery.

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Some of you are about to have the shock of your life when Yamao, the Guardian of Wano, inevitably decides that she... wants to guard Wano... And I absolutely cannot wait to witness it firsthand. As much as I'd love for Luffy to outright reject her, I suppose this will cause just as much chaos.

Great deconstruction of this narrative principle. That's on point.

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If she was a special" MINK" why was she such a disappoint in wano where does it state saying that she was special????

Because Wano is not her story to shine, Whole cake was and the future is. Oda had enough to play with without adding Carrot on top of that. He is giving what Carrot's needs, there is no need for more at the moment.

 

[Animangaboy]

The thing is, Carrot backstory is still in writing. it's not only whole cake, but it's also her present!

Lol if her backstory is still in writing why does she clinging to the Pedro situation, and whatt more backstory does carrot going to have?

 

[Logiko]

Lol if her backstory is still in writing why does she clinging to the Pedro situation, and whatt more backstory does carrot going to have?

Because that's her Moral Pillar. Until her character's storyline is resolved, Carrot will continue to hold to Pedro's will.

Her backstory is her present. I already explained why multiple time. G search into the historic

 

[Animangaboy]

Great deconstruction of this narrative principle. That's on point.

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Because Wano is not her story to shine, Whole cake was and the future is. Oda had enouagh to play with without adding Carrot on top of that. He is giving what Carrot's needs, there is no need for more at the moment.

Every straw hats have a moment in wano why carrot wouldn't have a moment in wano also why isn't the "future straw hats" isn't in the opening?

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Because that's her Moral Pillar. Until her character's storyline is resolved, Carrot will continue to hold to Pedro's will.

Her backstory is her present. I already explained why multiple times. G search into the historic

Dude carrot doesn't have any will from Pedro just because Pedro says we should help the straw hats to escape WCI where the hell u get will from that?

 

[Rootbeer]

The thing is, Carrot backstory is still in writing. it's not only whole cake, it's her present!

No future Strawhat would be ignored in the biggest arc of the manga and when they were in said arc.. Carrot is completely irrelevant she's not helping for the war or helping to bring about the Dawn.. She was also useless for the majority of WCi..

Pedro and Carrot's relationship doesn't exist just like Luffy and Carrot or Carrot and the crew it's all smoke and mirrors..

 

[Animangaboy]

Someone who just wait, wait. SOmeone who is a fan learns everything about what they likes. Yamato is clearly a fan.[/QUOTE]

So luffy learns about everyone that he's going to meet in the future make him a fan too information is key in one piece okay stupid?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Yep, some of us are definitely in for a shock at the end of this arc…like the people who are intentionally missing the most obvious tell in the long and illustrious history of a fiercely formulaic story just so they can perpetually show their entire asses on the Internet :cheers: