General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

Every straw hats have a moment in wano why carrot wouldn't have a moment in wano also why isn't the "future straw hats" isn't in the opening?

Because Carrot is not in this part of her story yet. A Win for Carrot (before perospero) wouldve been nice.. but what would it be accomplishing ? .. well pretty much nothing. On the other end, a defeat is a catalysis for development. And Carrot was not only defeated, she was humiliated.

In stories, humiliations means retaliations. Do you remember Jaya ? The moment when Bellamy was spewing on Luffy's piratness ? Well Perospero did the same with Carrot.

PErospero was taken out, but it was taken out for PEdro, not for Carrot's humiliation. My guess is that Carrot will find a way to proves that Perospero is wrong and that she deserves to be on the seas.

Dude carrot doesn't have any will from Pedro just because Pedro says we should help the straw hats to escape WCI where the hell u get will from that?

Whole cake is literally constructed as a big "parent-child" relationship mayham.. Of course Pedro transfered his will on Carrot. That's the whole point of his death's speech

No future Strawhat would be ignored in the biggest arc of the manga and when they were in said arc.. Carrot is completely irrelevant she's not helping for the war or helping to bring about the Dawn.. She was also useless for the majority of WCi..

There is no rule saying that a future strawhat can't be in the story to much. In fact during Alabasta, Robin was merely in the background during the most part.

Carrot helped during the war. Chapter 995 proved it.

So luffy learns about everyone that he's going to meet in the future make him a fan too information is key in one piece okay stupid?

Luffy doesn't care about the past of his crewmates. He only likes them as they are.

 

[Staticshadic]

- Revolutionnaries are not here
- The grand fleet only has the vivre card of Luffy
- Garp is not here and has no reason to protect Wano
- Same for Koby and smoker

If the gouvernment is trying to annexe Wano, only a strong power will be able to do that.

The scabbards are injured and kinda powerless right now, even them couldn't do much against Kaido.. so against an admiral..

Wano needs Luffy, but it needs more, a caution, someone with high power, enough power to train Momo in order for him to really protect the country. And the only person available is Yamato.

Because yes, Yamato has been a mentor figure until now for Momo. That's what Oda did during all their encounters.



Carrot IS a special mink. This was cleared by the way she was portrayed by the story and the way she interacted with the strawhats. This is undeniable.

I think that like a lot of people here, you are confusing "joining the crew" and "being recruted". To join. Carrot has done MORE THAN ENOUGH In whole cake. In fact she did more in whole cake that a LOT of strawhats before they joined. And Wano DOESN'T NEGATE what happened in whole cake! It's only to be recruted that Carrot will have to shine a bit more.


Like many strawhats as I already explained multiple time.




Whole cake is her backstory




It was implied, so implied in fact that the anime literally expended on that making Carrot mentionned that she would go forward in direction of the dawn.




Because we are in the YONKO SAGA. We are not only in Wano. Whole cake is part of the entire storyline of this saga, and ignoring whole cake is like ignoring setups and parts of the story. Carrot is only hidded for the second part of this story, the first part, carrot was in COMPLETELY.




What the fudge is this mentality?


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Subversion dialogues are not twists. They are tools to subvert expectation. And they can be spotted early. That's what I did there.



Because you are only analysing the surface here.

Robin's job is not to be an archeologist. If that was the case, there would be a LOT more tumbs and corpse to search for in the story. Robin's job is to be a CAP GIVER. Basically she is like Christopher Columbus (minus the killing and enslaving parts) she is not here to stear the ship, or to be a gunner or to navigate.. she is here to give us the ROAD toward the end point of the story and toward the next artefact that will give us wordlbuilding's development.

Robin is the one who guides the crew. She is the one who opens the road for them.

Now, let's go back to that introduction shall we ? Chapter 114

First, you will go check the title of the chapter, both in english (multiple traductions) and in japanese. Most of the time, Oda is giving us two meaning in a chapter's title. Now really think about this title and come back to the following argument.

Second, look at what Robin is doing in this chapter, first with the hat of Luffy, then with the crew. Ask yourself the question .. why is she doing it ?

You will have - logically - understood the whole point of Robin's introduction and why her post, was hinted since the beginning.



Oden didn't know Yamato. He sacrified nothing for her personnally.




No. By watching this video you will understand that having a dynamic with the crew is part of a very CLEAR pattern in the recruitment of each strawhats:

(this is not me)





Studying the crew doesn't make Yamato closer to the strawhats, in fact it makes her closer to bartholomeo: a fan.



Luffy was about to hit gear fourth. Yamato didn't save Luffy, she only put out Ulti faster.



The reason behind Yamato's action is not to help Luffy, It's to protect Wano.

Carrot could not defeat perospero because the moon was covered. So, she is not special mink like the others plus before that she had help from wanda before the fight even started. Whole cake island is not a backstory. She is not the focus of that arc. Sanji, Pedro, and Jimbei were. We got to know more sanji history before he met zeff. Pedro losing years of his life. and Jimbei cutting ties big mom and telling his crew he wishes to Join the strawhats Jimbei also highlight what his role was going to be on the crew, and he came up with idea for strawhats should ally with the firetank pirates. We also got to know more about big mom and katakuri backstory as well. Carrot is just support character in that arc not the mvp like brook was or main focus. The only highlight moment fans remember carrot suslong transformation. In wano she did not show any new ability with that transformation.


- Revolutionaries are not here so fucking what? there allies with strawhats they will protect wano while luffy is gone.
-if it's under his grandson territory he will protect wano. Did you forget garp was the one who guide shirahoshi along
Did you forget hina guide vivi as well. If vivi friends with strawhats they might protect her as well.
Coby protect Rebecca and viloa
What about wano? Where is carrot highlight moments wano? Where is her extendable backstory? Where is her personal enemies that affect her past? Her backstory nonexistent, her personal enemies were defeat by non strawhats and her only highlight moment wano is saving marco.

Yamato is not a mentor figure. She more fan of oden's work wants to live her life how oden did. Why can't she? Yamato has ditch momo on two occasions to aid luffy and the rest of strawhats.




Yamato has story centric arc in act 3 of wano

Carrot story centric is nonexistent

Yamato has been market alongside the strawhats special volumes cover

Carrot is not even shown or even marketed in current wano arc

Yamato has main antagonist that hinder her progress in life

Carrot has 3 underling that has been resolved by non strawhats

Yamato has backstory being flesh out and her resolve being handle by the strawhats
Carrot is backstory is just one panel very remarkable similar that of paulie, otama, bartolomeo, and chew chew. Her resolution already done by non strawhats

Yamato is outcast for opposing her father organization for 20 years and she is the daughter of the man who is responsible for causing so much pain to wano
Carrot is respectable musketeer has family go back to.
Yamato devil fruit 24/7 that is basically suslong
While carrot onl hasy suslong when the moon is full taxes her body
Yamato has 3 version of haki
Carrot has never shown anything that she even has it
Yamato has eager to join the strawhats be service to luffy and rest of strawhats moving forward.
Carrot want go adventure for short period of time. She never stated anything about being a service for Luffy in the future.

 

[Animangaboy]

Because Carrot is not in this part of her story yet. A Win for Carrot (before perospero) wouldve been nice.. but what would it be accomplishing ? .. well pretty much nothing. On the other end, a defeat is a catalysis for development. And Carrot was not only defeated, she was humiliated.

In stories, humiliations means retaliations. Do you remember Jaya ? The moment when Bellamy was spewing on Luffy's piratness ? Well Perospero did the same with Carrot.

PErospero was taken out, but it was taken out for PEdro, not for Carrot's humiliation. My guess is that Carrot will find a way to proves that Perospero is wrong and that she deserves to be on the seas.




Whole cake is literally constructed as a big "parent-child" relationship mayham.. Of course Pedro transfered his will on Carrot. That's the whole point of his death's speech

There is no rule saying that a future strawhat can't be in the story to much. In fact during Alabasta, Robin was merely in the background during the most part.

Carrot helped during the war. Chapter 995 proved it.




Luffy doesn't care about the past of his crewmates. He only likes them as they are.

U sounds dumb I am not talking about the straw hats I am talking about overall

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Because Carrot is not in this part of her story yet. A Win for Carrot (before perospero) wouldve been nice.. but what would it be accomplishing ? .. well pretty much nothing. On the other end, a defeat is a catalysis for development. And Carrot was not only defeated, she was humiliated

Boy otamta is even in the opening u don't have any excuse

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Carrot could not defeat perospero because the moon was covered. So, she is not special mink like the others plus before that she had help from wanda before the fight even started. Whole cake island is not a backstory. She is not the focus of that arc. Sanji, Pedro, and Jimbei were. We got to know more sanji history before he met zeff. Pedro losing years of his life. and Jimbei cutting ties big mom and telling his crew he wishes to Join the strawhats Jimbei also highlight what his role was going to be on the crew, and he came up with idea for strawhats should ally with the firetank pirates. We also got to know more about big mom and katakuri backstory as well. Carrot is just support character in that arc not the mvp like brook was or main focus. The only highlight moment fans remember carrot suslong transformation. In wano she did not show any new ability with that transformation.


- Revolutionaries are not here so fucking what? there allies with strawhats they will protect wano while luffy is gone.
-if it's under his grandson territory he will protect wano. Did you forget garp was the one who guide shirahoshi along
Did you forget hina guide vivi as well. If vivi friends with strawhats they might protect her as well.
Coby protect Rebecca and viloa
What about wano? Where is carrot highlight moments wano? Where is her extendable backstory? Where is her personal enemies that affect her past? Her backstory nonexistent, her personal enemies were defeat by non strawhats and her only highlight moment wano is saving marco.

Yamato is not a mentor figure. She more fan of oden's work wants to live her life how oden did. Why can't she? Yamato has ditch momo on two occasions to aid luffy and the rest of strawhats.




Yamato has story centric arc in act 3 of wano

Carrot story centric is nonexistent

Yamato has been market alongside the strawhats special volumes cover

Carrot is not even shown or even marketed in current wano arc

Yamato has main antagonist that hinder her progress in life

Carrot has 3 underling that has been resolved by non strawhats

Yamato has backstory being flesh out and her resolve being handle by the strawhats
Carrot is backstory is just one panel very remarkable similar that of paulie, otama, bartolomeo, and chew chew. Her resolution already done by non strawhats

Yamato is outcast for opposing her father organization for 20 years and she is the daughter of the man who is responsible for causing so much pain to wano
Carrot is respectable musketeer has family go back to.
Yamato devil fruit 24/7 that is basically suslong
While carrot onl hasy suslong when the moon is full taxes her body
Yamato has 3 version of haki
Carrot has never shown anything that she even has it
Yamato has eager to join the strawhats be service to luffy and rest of strawhats moving forward.
Carrot want go adventure for short period of time. She never stated anything about being a service for Luffy in the future.

You killed the clown 👍

 

[Rootbeer]

There is no rule saying that a future strawhat can't be in the story to much. In fact during Alabasta, Robin was merely in the background during the most part.

Carrot helped during the war. Chapter 995 proved it.

Yes there is, Oda has never treated his main protagonists poorly in the narrative, they were always important when present..
Robin was extremely important in Alabasta, Carrot has never been..

Smoke and mirrors, Marco was never going to die there..

 

[Berry Rich]

How come she has to give up on the main part of her dream that she has mentioned at last 5 times now? She got stronger, she's fighting for Wano, all that's left is to leave and go on adventures. Why is it imperative that only that half get tossed aside?



Right. A guess. And right now, that guess contradicts the information we have right now. Brooke wants to reunite with a whale.



Oda is writing the villain...and why should the villain be proven right just for this instance?





Baseless assumption.
-she admires Oden
-knows Momo is Oden's son
-says she will die for Momo
-knows how important Wano is
-says it's imperative that Momo becomes the Shogun, open Wano's borders and lead the world to dawn
-knows she has DF of Wano's guardian

Still declared she's leaving.... but seeing Momo look like Oden would make her ditch her dream?




Which makes me wonder why nobody ever brings up Kaido talking down Yamato for thinking any of the samurai would ever except her as a comrade and how she has no friends.



This is another baseless assumption. Why does Yamato specifically need to stay cause of the WG?




Who says I'm not open to Yamato staying? I never wanted Yamato to join the SHs and think she's a trash character. I'm just don't buy into the anti-Yamato assumptions that rely on Yamato turning a 180

None of the SH dreams has anything to do with Luffy, but he affects them nonetheless. Zoro for example was afraid to die to achieving his dream but now he's willing to give it up for Luffy's sake.



He didn't call Chopper by name until he joins, and Oda says Luffy tends not to remember crewmates' names unless they join. Selective reasoning doesn't exclude Yamato.

Why is it imperative to you that Yamato leave with Luffy? Yamato can leave Wano to adventure be it with Shogun Momo or by themself. It never had to be Luffy. Previously it could have be Ace. Before that it could have been... anyone really. Didn't matter as 8 year old Yamato didn't specify. Your speaking as if Yamato's current dream cannot be modified even though it already has been. Tama wants to leave with Luffy too but it doesn't mean it will happen. If Tama exclaimed she was leaving with Luffy 5 times as well, with everything else the same, would you see Tama joining?

Where did Kaido even get that information about the Devil Fruit from? Probably Wano natives as I doubt Kaido made it up. I seriously doubt this will be the only time Yamato's Devil Fruit history and its meaning to Wano will be mentioned in story.

All Strawhats have end goals to their dreams. Yamato does not.

You believe Oda would add a "trash" character to the crew? Do you feel that way about any current Strawhat?

Not baseless. Yamato is an Oden stan. I definitely could see Yamato staying to be around an Oden lookalike. Yamato has been alone most of their life and being accepted with a nation full of potential friends may alieve those past lonely hardships. But we shall revisit when Yamato sees grownup Momo and Wano natives see transformed Yamato.

I just brought scenarios that may happen. The WG escape is under the impression a distraction needs to be made like Fujitora at Dressrosa or Jinbe/Sun Pirates/Germa 66 at WCI. Expecting a smooth transition out of Wano may be setting yourself up to disappointment.

Luffy didn't know Chopper's name as Chopper (Reindeer) never told him, only Nami IIRC. Luffy was told by Yamato (Yamao) their name and still refused to say it akin to Law (Traffy).

She already said her fruit being based on a guardian deity doesn't mean anything to her. Don't see how other people recognizing it would make a difference, especially at the party where she has the perfect chance to join Luffy.

All you're doing here is saying that its technically not impossible, which isn't an argument. What is currently challenging her desire to leave Wano and go on adventures besides the main villain? Not even Momo has hinted at wanting her to stay with him nor does he value her anywhere nearly as he does with his scabbards.

Except Barto wasn't aiming to join Luffy's crew and said he preferred watching from afar. Yamato said multiple times she wants to join him. So while Barto was doing it purely for fanboyism, Yamato was doing it since she's set on leaving with them.

If you don't see it then nothing to expand. We shall see at the party.

Come on now. Momo values Yamato. Comparing Yamato to the retainers is not fair and doesn't factor into if Yamato would stay or leave. Actually let me put this way, if there is a chance Luffy will invite or accept Yamato as a crewmate/guest then there is also a chance Momonosuke asks Yamato to be a retainer for Yamato's contribution in protecting/assisting Momo in this war.

Bartolomeo's fandom to the Strawhats is comparable to Yamato's fandom to Oden. It's a joke. I can't take Yamato joining the crew serious with that Oden shtick, Guardian Deity DF, no dream end goal, minimal foreshadowing, minimal crew interactions, nor an apparent ship role. Yamato exclaiming to Luffy to ride with Luffy may be enough for you but it does not offset those reasons for me.

 

[Logiko]

Carrot could not defeat perospero because the moon was covered. So, she is not special mink like the others

It's like saying that tomatoes are red because the baby is hungry.. I don't really how you are linking those two informations together. It doesn't make sence.

She is not the focus of that arc. Sanji, Pedro, and Jimbei were. We got to know more sanji history before he met zeff. Whole cake island is not a backstory. Pedro losing years of his life. and Jimbei cutting ties big mom and telling his crew he wishes to Join the strawhats Jimbei also highlight what his role was going to be on the crew, and he came up with idea for strawhats should ally with the firetank pirates. We also got to know more about big mom and katakuri backstory as well. Carrot is just support character in that arc not the mvp like brook was or main focus. The only highlight moment fans remember carrot suslong transformation. In wano she did not show any new ability with that transformation.

Perospero and Jinbe were not the focus on that arc either beside one or two chapters (like Carrot) and it does not matter.

Concerning Carrot being in focus. Plenty of strawhats were developped out of focus at first. This is not a good argument.

- Revolutionaries are not here so fucking what? there allies with strawhats they will protect wano while luffy is gone.

Revolutionnaries are not strawhats allies dude. Robin is only friends with a few of them and Sabo's brother. Those two things doesn't make them allies.

-if it's under his grandson territory he will protect wano. Did you forget garp was the one who guide shirahoshi along
Did you forget hina guide vivi as well. If vivi friends with strawhats they might protect her as well.
Coby protect Rebecca and viloa

That would be ignoring the storytelling showing us that Garp is willing to step in front of Luffy to block him. You are projecting fans theories here. Nothing is based on the actual story.

Yamato is not a mentor figure. She more fan of oden's work wants to live her life how oden did. Why can't she? Yamato has ditch momo on two occasions to aid luffy and the rest of strawhats.

She is not a mentor figure in general, she is a mentor figure for Momo. If not, Oda wouldn't have spent time making Yamato explain Momo stuff and Momo asking her for guidance.

Yamato has story centric arc in act 3 of wano

Yup. Showing that Yamato's time is actually now or never. If Yamato isn't introduced with a capacity for a post now or a dynamic with the strawhats, it will never happen. Adding to that the fact that Yamato is treated like the usual prince and princess of the arcs you got here a storyline that is not directed to put the protagonist in the strawhat crew.

Yamato has been market alongside the strawhats special volumes cover

This is irrelevant. I could quote you how the anime is marketing Carrot with the strawhats it wouldn't be relevant either. Those are not canon materials.

Yamato has main antagonist that hinder her progress in life

Like Carrot with Perospero. Having an antagonist doesn't make you closer to the strawhats. Rebecca had Diamente, SHiraoshi had Hordy etc.

Carrot has 3 underling that has been resolved by non strawhats

Carrot's storyline (if that's what you are talking about) as not been resolved yet from a storytelling standpoint.

Yamato has backstory being flesh out and her resolve being handle by the strawhats

Yamato's backstory is missing a lot of key elements that each backstory is givin us:

- A need
- A purpose
- A Moral Pillar

Carrot is backstory is just one panel very remarkable similar that of paulie, otama, bartolomeo, and chew chew. Her resolution already done by non strawhats

Carrot's backstory is her present. Carrot doesn't need a backstory. I already explained that multiple times. No need to go back to it.

Carrot is respectable musketeer has family go back to.

Wrong. Carrot as no family to go back to. If this was the case, that family would have been shown.

Yamato is outcast for opposing her father organization for 20 years and she is the daughter of the man who is responsible for causing so much pain to wano

And Carrot is an outcast on the sole reason that she is a rabbit on the sea. Google it, you will understand.

Yamato devil fruit 24/7 that is basically suslong

Wrong. Sulong is a mix of elextricity and swiftness plus Sulong can fly. Yamato's DF power is doing none of those things.

Yamato has 3 version of haki

Carrot has never shown anything that she even has it

Irelevant. Strengh is not a recruitment parameter.

Yamato has eager to join the strawhats be service to luffy and rest of strawhats moving forward.

Wrong. Actually we don't know why Yamato wants to sail with Luffy.

Carrot want go adventure for short period of time. She never stated anything about being a service for Luffy in the future.

We don't know that. In fact if we follow One Piece's logic, once an adventure begin, it never ends unless there is a very good reason for it. Carrot has no reason to go back.

She will therefore continue her adventure.

Boy otamta is even in the opening u don't have any excuse

Irelevant to the discussion.

Yes there is, Oda has never treated his main protagonists poorly in the narrative, they were always important when present..
Robin was extremely important in Alabasta, Carrot has never been..

Good. Robin and Carrot were not main protagonist during Alabasta and Wano/wholecake for Carrot.

Robin WASN'T extremmely important in Alabasta. She was only here to stop pell once and stay in the background most of the time. It's time you reread this arc.

Smoke and mirrors, Marco was never going to die there..

Are you questionning what Oda drew on the sole basis of imaginary powerscaling?

 

[Berry Rich]

Yamato didn't eat the devil fruit because it was the Guardian Deity she ate it because she was hungry only to know it take away her ability

But Yamato ate the fruit. Doesn't matter that Yamato was ignorant of that information. Hopefully Oda shows when Yamato actually eats the fruit.

 

[Animangaboy]

Yamato's backstory is missing a lot of key elements that each backstory is given us:

- A need
- A purpose
- A Moral Pillar

U are telling me that carrot has those? Also, Yamato's backstory wasn't even completed yet she has more backstory with kaido u clown meanwhile carrot only have the Pedro little scene

 

[Logiko]

U are telling me that carrot has those? Also, Yamato's backstory wasn't even completed yet she has more backstory with kaido u clown meanwhile carrot only have the Pedro little scene

Yup Carrot has those:

Moral Pillar: Pedro
Need: To learn thatshe is usefull and that being a pirate is not all bright
Purpose: To follow Pedro's will

 

[Animangaboy]

Yup Carrot has those:

Moral Pillar: Pedro
Need: To learn thatshe is usefull and that being a pirate is not all bright
Purpose: To follow Pedro's will

good luck with that cause I don't get anything from carrot

 

[Rootbeer]

Good. Robin and Carrot were not main protagonist during Alabasta and Wano/wholecake for Carrot.

Robin WASN'T extremmely important in Alabasta. She was only here to stop pell once and stay in the background most of the time. It's time you reread this arc.

Robin was extremely important in Alabasta she saved Luffy's life twice and told Pell to save Luffy.. She was Crocodile's direct aide..
Carrot's irrelevant..

Are you questionning what Oda drew on the sole basis of imaginary powerscaling?

I'm questioning your ability to think, you think one Arrow from Perospero can kill Marco?.. He can block it with his wings and regenerate then Big Mom still would have left for whatever reason.. Contrived plot to toss Carrot aside from the main conflict because Oda is done with her.. Fake threat

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Why y’all don’t bring the obvious? Every Straw Hat joined (whether officially or not) when the big bad villain of the respective arc is finally defeated

Zoro = Morgan
Nami = Buggy; later Arlong
Usopp = Kuro
Sanji = Krieg
Chopper = Wapol
Robin = Crocodile; later CP9
Franky = CP9
Brook = Moria
Jinbe = Hody

Joined officially or not, they all have at least 1 big bad villain to be defeated specifically by Luffy / currently existing Straw Hats

Do I need to mention that Carrot has none?
Even if we want to consider Perospero & Jack, we all know that both are not the big bad villain. Sadly, both are not defeated by Luffy nor any Straw Hat crew member.

Trust me, the obvious clown will deny this and ignore this absolute point, and think that his self-made criterias are more important

 

[Animangaboy]

But Yamato ate the fruit. Doesn't matter that Yamato was ignorant of that information. Hopefully Oda shows when Yamato actually eats the fruit.

Read chapter 1019 Yamato didn't know about it was a devil fruit loser

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Revolutionnaries are not strawhats allies dude. Robin is only friends with a few of them and Sabo's brother. Those two things doesn't make them allies.

Revolutionary army are built by Luffy’s fucking biological father who protected him getting captured by Smoker in Logue Town, and they are there to show how corrupted world government is and fight them. Dude, seriously what are you smoking?

You focused too much on an irrelevant character that you forget about many things that are more important. And you said you’re an analyst? You don’t even know basic political knowledge

Sounds more like a clown to me. Oh and I’m just here to point about bad argumentation. You’re really not that special for me, don’t worry

 

[Uncle Van]

Why is it imperative to you that Yamato leave with Luffy?
Yamato can leave Wano to adventure be it with Shogun Momo or by themself. It never had to be Luffy. Previously it could have be Ace. Before that it could have been... anyone really.

I don't personally find it imperative. Yamato herself said that she's leaving Wano with Luffy after driving Kaido out, and she's been trying to leave for 20 years. As of now, she has a better connection and understanding of Luffy than she does Momo.

She even said Luffy is the one Oden has been waiting for.

Didn't matter as 8 year old Yamato didn't specify. Your speaking as if Yamato's current dream cannot be modified even though it already has been. Tama wants to leave with Luffy too but it doesn't mean it will happen. If Tama exclaimed she was leaving with Luffy 5 times as well, with everything else the same, would you see Tama joining?

Yamato's dream is the same. The order of doing so has changed. Since her wording at 8 year old is so pivotal:
-Go out to sea
-go on adventures
-get stronger
-fight of Wano

Right now she has done half, with her biggest conflict being that she's being forced to stay in Wano and her freedom being stolen.

Where did Kaido even get that information about the Devil Fruit from? Probably Wano natives as I doubt Kaido made it up. I seriously doubt this will be the only time Yamato's Devil Fruit history and its meaning to Wano will be mentioned in story.

It's irrelevant where Kaido got the info from. Kaido told Yamato that since she has that fruit, it's more reason she must stay in Wano to protect it as it's guardian diety. Yamato said its nothing like that and wants no such role. Granted, Kaido told her to do it for his sake.

All Strawhats have end goals to their dreams. Yamato does not.

You believe Oda would add a "trash" character to the crew? Do you feel that way about any current Strawhat?

Many SHs didn't get their end goal revealed until the end of the arc. We're still in the climax. Even Jinbe didn't have his end goal directly stated, but we know that it's obviously equality for fishmen.

Not baseless. Yamato is an Oden stan. I definitely could see Yamato staying to be around an Oden lookalike. Yamato has been alone most of their life and being accepted with a nation full of potential friends may alieve those past lonely hardships. But we shall revisit when Yamato sees grownup Momo and Wano natives see transformed Yamato.

Yamato is an Oden who tried leaving for 20 years despite knowing Wano and Momo's importance.

I just brought scenarios that may happen. The WG escape is under the impression a distraction needs to be made like Fujitora at Dressrosa or Jinbe/Sun Pirates/Germa 66 at WCI. Expecting a smooth transition out of Wano may be setting yourself up to disappointment.

I can't be disappointed if I don't have any expectations. Please don't assume what I want. I didn't have to like a character to praise them etc.

Luffy didn't know Chopper's name as Chopper (Reindeer) never told him, only Nami IIRC. Luffy was told by Yamato (Yamao) their name and still refused to say it akin to Law (Traffy).

Luffy didn't refer to crewmembers by name. Some of them he did. Because of that, saying Luffy never called Yamato by name doesn't work. Saying it matters when it didn't for other SHs is selective reasoning.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Because yes, Yamato has been a mentor figure until now for Momo. That's what Oda did during all their encounters.

Going by that logic, Zoro should stay... He's been Momo's mentor figure during their encounters... Aside from Zoro being Ryuma's incarnate and plans to make samurais his followers... Zoro also has close ties with Shimotsuki...

 

[jordin]

If you don't see it then nothing to expand. We shall see at the party.

I agree

Come on now. Momo values Yamato. Comparing Yamato to the retainers is not fair and doesn't factor into if Yamato would stay or leave.

Your argument hinges on Yamato being this special guardian deity role and the direct parallel of Momo that he specifically wants to stay with him. If Yamato is not anything special to him and he's already fine with his nine loyal scabbards, why would he be seeking her out? Just extra muscle? This is ignoring the fact that Yamato would still say no since she believes he shouldn't be scared of what may come.

Actually let me put this way, if there is a chance Luffy will invite or accept Yamato as a crewmate/guest then there is also a chance Momonosuke asks Yamato to be a retainer for Yamato's contribution in protecting/assisting Momo in this war.

And I'll put it this way: There are more statements, buildup, and reasoning for Yamato asking to join Luffy as she planned than there is for Momo asking her to stay in Wano instead.

Bartolomeo's fandom to the Strawhats is comparable to Yamato's fandom to Oden. It's a joke. I can't take Yamato joining the crew serious with that Oden shtick, Guardian Deity DF, no dream end goal, minimal foreshadowing, minimal crew interactions, nor an apparent ship role. Yamato exclaiming to Luffy to ride with Luffy may be enough for you but it does not offset those reasons for me.

Me and other people have been giving you reasoning for each of those points. You just choose not to accept them. Its okay to not want her to join and to outright hate her character like Van yet still acknowledge she's the most likely to join.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

Yup Carrot has those:

Moral Pillar: Pedro
Need: To learn thatshe is usefull and that being a pirate is not all bright
Purpose: To follow Pedro's will

What is Pedros will?

 

[Logiko]

Robin was extremely important in Alabasta she saved Luffy's life twice and told Pell to save Luffy.. She was Crocodile's direct aide..
Carrot's irrelevant..

Yes.. And Carrot saved the strawhats 3 times and Marco once. Your point ? As long as you will only take Wano in the balance, you will never understand Carrot's importance.. and therefore will only end up surprised at the end.

I'm questioning your ability to think, you think one Arrow from Perospero can kill Marco?.. He can block it with his wings and regenerate then Big Mom still would have left for whatever reason.. Contrived plot to toss Carrot aside from the main conflict because Oda is done with her.. Fake threat

Yes. I think that One arrow is enough if it's in the head. You are just ignoring the story here. No need to developp on that.

Robin = Crocodile; later CP9

Zoro = Morgan
Nami = Buggy; later Arlong
Usopp = Kuro
Sanji = Krieg
Chopper = Wapol
Robin = Crocodile; later CP9
Franky = CP9
Brook = Moria
Jinbe = Hody

Funny.. you are forgetting Nami who completely destroy all your argumentation. As she was recruited only after three unrelated villain were defeated. Too bad...

Even if we want to consider Perospero & Jack, we all know that both are not the big bad villain. Sadly, both are not defeated by Luffy nor any Straw Hat crew member.

That would be Kaido for you in that case.. see, there is a big bad villain (even tho your argumentation was already broken up before)

Revolutionary army are built by Luffy’s fucking biological father who protected him getting captured by Smoker in Logue Town. Dude, seriously what are you smoking?

You focused too much on an irrelevant character that you forget about many things that are more important. And you said you’re an analyst?

Sounds like a clown to me. Oh and I’m just here to point about bad argumentation. You’re really not that special for me, don’t worry

An ally is someone you can call for help and will arrive at anytime to help you. I don't see this kind of relationship between the strawhats and the revolutionaries.

Luffy didn't refer to crewmembers by name. Some of them he did. Because of that, saying Luffy never called Yamato by name doesn't work. Saying it matters when it didn't for other SHs is selective reasoning.

The problem with that argument is that what Luffy is doing is a clear show of irrespect. Yamato clearly stated that she wanted to be called "Yamato" and Luffy denied it. So I agree that this is scares and I won't go to much into that parameters from now on. But one thing is clear because of that:

Luffy doesn't respect Yamato like he respects some of his friends (Carrot / Momo / Kinemon) and strawhats compagnon. Period.

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Going by that logic, Zoro should stay... He's been Momo's mentor figure during their encounters... Aside from Zoro being Ryuma's incarnate and plans to make samurais his followers... Zoro also has close ties with Shimotsuki...

Yes, Zoro could stay, in fact there is a possibility that Hiyori ask him to stay. But Zoro is Luffy's crewmate and he has no good reason to stay when Yamato has.

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What is Pedros will?

To help Luffy accomplish the dawn for the Mink people. (whatever it could mean)

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

To help Luffy accomplish the dawn for the Mink people. (whatever it could mean)

What is Pedros will @Berry Rich