Powers & Abilities Did Luffy just use his ultimate attack on Kaido?

[sanjikun]

There are two translation sources, Eten and the wiki - are both wrong or what?

Also, there exists a monkey above King Kong or whatever Large Ape it is. It's the Monkey God. It's clear Luffy comes much closer to this version than that. And the prefix to Giant was changed to Supreme which highlights the advanced version over again.

Even if you have a point about the translation - I can't judge that much, I can't speak Japanese after all despite relying on translators speaking Japanese fluently - the fact that SKG is as large as KKG and works exactly the same is highly obvious. Like, you're nitpicking the worst panels to state the contrast, then you're mad when people demonstrate common sense.

If there's a Supreme King Kong Gun, it's most likely the equivalent of King King King Kong Gun or whatever; hence the bigger version of even KKG/SKG.



What are you talking about? There are like two mythological monkey gods. And even King Kong had its parents btw.

Jesus fucking Christ dude. "大猿" is a thing. "覇猿" isn't. It's that simple.

You can't break up words anyway you like. The names are

Monkey King Gun -> Kong Gun

Large Ape King Gun -> King Kong Gun

Supreme --- Monkey King Gun -> Over Kong Gun

Luffy has "Monkey" moves, and "Large Ape" moves. Over Kong, is still a "Monkey" move, not Large Ape. It's literally in the name. A "Supreme" Kong Gun.

Lol, Roc Gun IS Elephant Gun.

Again, some of you are either dumb or blind. Or both.

Oda is doing size/speed tradeoffs for Kaido specifically. That's the diff between Kong Organ/Gatling, Roc/Elephant, Hydra/Mamba.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Jesus fucking Christ dude. "大猿" is a thing. "覇猿" isn't. It's that simple.

You are the only one who call it Large Great Ape, in official version it is called Great Monkey King Gun, stop spreading false infos dude.

Again, some of you are either dumb or blind. Or both.

Same size, as I said, you only put the panels here who fit into you narative.

 

[Rukusho]

Isn't Roc Gun - Elephant Gun with AdvCoC ?
:zorothink:

 

[sanjikun]

Isn't Roc Gun - Elephant Gun with AdvCoC ?
:zorothink:

No, no it isn't. Roc Gun is a smaller but faster version of Elephant Gun. He did this shit with Fujitora as well

The actual EG was much bigger

It's like some can't grasp smaller/bigger versions of the same move.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Isn't Roc Gun - Elephant Gun with AdvCoC ?
:zorothink:

It is, Sanjikun again in a cope modus...

 

[sanjikun]

It is, Sanjikun again in a cope modus...

Ok, tell me. Since Luffy is renaming all his ACoC moves. Why was Jet Culverin still Jet Culverin? Why not rename that too?

That move with ACoC is the same, but somehow everything else has changed.

Oda hasn't renamed any of Luffy's moves with ACoC. 0. He's just doing speed/size tradeoff.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Ok, tell me. Since Luffy is renaming all his ACoC moves. Why was Jet Culverin still Jet Culverin? Why not rename that too?

Since Luffy didn´t used full leakage of Adv CoC, you can see he directly hit Kaido while Yamato used the shockwave as Luffy other attacks.
We see a new version of Black Mamba with adv CoC version, we see a new version of Elefant gatling.
It clear that Luffy new attack with full adv CoC leakage get named with adv CoC names.
In case we will see in future still Elephant gun without adv CoC. If used adv CoC it will be named Roc Gun.
Simple...

 

[L55]

I'm going to laugh my ass of if Kaido and Luffy redo the last clash and Luffy uses Over King Kong Gun.

Oda tells you in the name. It's just a Supreme "Kong Gun".

"King Kong" moves are a whole other thing. They're based on Large/Great apes. It's not a regular monkey.

look at this clown
dude he s calling it supreme kong gun over king kong gun because of acoc
supreme kong gun is just acoc kkg
dumbass

 

[sanjikun]

Looks like KKG amplified with CoC (and internal destruction), turning it into Supreme Kong Gun. It even looks the same in terms of performance and size:

Also not how in Udon, Luffy was casually practicing his King Kong Gun in conjunction with training his internal destruction:

With Luffy calling it his finisher move.

It's just that Kaido is built so different that it isn't even funny. He ate the first Supreme King Gun like nothing, despite the humongous amount of damage he suffered fighting like 15 people in several rounds (Scabbards, Supernova, where he received Gamma Knife, Kong Gatling and CoC Asura, CoC Luffy round 1, Yamato, Luffy round 2).

And Supreme Kong Gun is >>> DR Kong Gun.

R.I.P "CoC Boundman is PK+ in AP, he would trash everyone, including Kaido". Can't even finish a Kaido that got pummeled the whole day.

Even that "copy" panel up top is clearly smaller.

And the poll is asking for the first hit, not the second. Maybe the latter could have been an Over... KKG. It was interrupted. The first one is clearly not KKG though.

If he comes back with Boundman, he will very likely use Over King Kong Gun, showing Over =/= King.

 

[SkySanji]

Poor Copekun

"KKG strongest physical attack"

"KKG will kill Kaido"

Doffy fans in the mud

 

[sanjikun]

look at this clown
dude he s calling it supreme kong gun over king kong gun because of acoc
supreme kong gun is just acoc kkg
dumbass

Dumbass, they're named after animals.

King Kong = Great Ape
Culverin = Great Serpent/Orochi

You can't just substitute anything you want.

Luffy's strongest moves have the Kanji for mythical creatures.

 

[Extravlad]

seeing extravalad talk without giving Zoro fellatio is so weird it's like he's saying this forum is already conquered I need not open my mouth to zoro.

This is exactly how I feel
My work is done, gone are the early post timeskip days where we were few against many

 

[IsaziSempi]

This is exactly how I feel
My work is done, gone are the early post timeskip days where we were few against many

 

[Tai long]

did people forget that luffy also tanked kaidos strongest attack to date

 

[sanjikun]

Honestly, the most exhausting part of this discussion, is that the speed/size tradeoff for some of them is clearly fucking visible.

It's not just "adding ACoC". They're fundamentally different moves, with different emphasis. Elephant Gun still exists. It's just slower than Roc Gun, even though it's bigger. King Kong Gun still exists. It's just slower than Over Kong, even though it's bigger.

Oda is doing speed/size tradeoff. But some people's brains here are fucked beyond repair to understand this. Everything is "ACoC" related, even when there's clear evidence Oda hasn't renamed existing moves.

Oda renamed everything... except Jet Culverin.

You are the only one who call it Large Great Ape, in official version it is called Great Monkey King Gun, stop spreading false infos dude.

Same size, as I said, you only put the panels here who fit into you narative.

You realize you just defeated your own point? Luffy used Red Roc without ACoC.

That means Elephant Gun and Roc Gun existed side by side.

Roc Gun is not EG with ACoA. He literally just used EG with ACoA, and still called it EG.

 

[SkySanji]

Honestly, the most exhausting part of this discussion, is that the speed/size tradeoff for some of them is clearly fucking visible.

It's not just "adding ACoC". They're fundamentally different moves, with different emphasis. Elephant Gun still exists. It's just slower than Roc Gun, even though it's bigger. King Kong Gun still exists. It's just slower than Over Kong, even though it's bigger.

Oda is doing speed/size tradeoff. But some people's brains here are fucked beyond repair to understand this. Everything is "ACoC" related, even when there's clear evidence Oda hasn't renamed existing moves.

 

[Patryipe]

I mean, based on what he said that should have been his last and best effort. And visually it looks like KKG, with CoC on top.

But it looked so underwhelming that I hope he still has Over KING kong gun in his arsenal. If not I guess I'm gonna have to jump on the awakening train as well.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Roc attacks are not G3. They are a combination of G3/G2.

Nomenclature wise, all G2 attacks would be named after birds: Red Hawk, Hawk Gatling, Hawk Rifle, Eagle Bazooka etc,. Roc is a mythical giant eagle. So hence the G3/G2 attacks are named after Roc.

Visual Cues wise, it is obvious when Luffy emits the G2 smoke while using G3 in Roc Gatling against Kaidou. Even otherwise, the consistency is present with how Roc themed attacks don't have Luffy's arm visible - which is a characteristic of G2 and not regular G3.

 

[Sentinel]

Jesus fucking Christ dude. "大猿" is a thing. "覇猿" isn't. It's that simple.

Two sources translated it differently. Again, are they wrong?

Also, do you speak Japanese well? Or why do you think it's needed to speak against two translating sources like that? I hope it's not "weeb Japanese" or some cringe bullshit like that.

Large Ape King Gun -> King Kong Gun

That's your translation; the official one is still different.

I don't know your actual Japanese knowledge, so I'll keep on sticking to the official translation.

Luffy has "Monkey" moves, and "Large Ape" moves.

There's no such move though.

Again, read what Eten said about this one:

"The kanjis are 覇猿王銃, literal translation would be Supreme Monkey King Gun

In comparison, KG is Monkey King Gun猿王銃
KKG is Great Monkey King Gun大猿王銃"

I realised that you try to give a meaning to 'King Kong' but the actual kanji is still not "Large Ape" or what you're trying to prove here. It simply has a different meaning, thus Eten's and the official translation. The kanji of King Cobra is also 'King Snake'.

Again, some of you are either dumb or blind.

Elephant Gun is just Giant Pistol with hardening. Roc Gun is just Elephant Gun with ACoC and G2.

According to you, SKG isn't KKG, despite being the same move. Roc Gun isn't the same to EG for whatever reasons. You nitpick panels whenever you like and insult users when they disagree. Seriously, you're mentally deranged. Get a life.

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King Kong Gun still exists. It's just slower than Over Kong, even though it's bigger.

It doesn't. SKG is the new KKG. KKG neither is slower nor it is bigger than SKG.
Again, making up random stuff. Also funny:

But some people's brains here are fucked beyond repair to understand this.

You're such a disgusting individual that you don't even realise your own mistakes and try to blame those appealing common sense and logic to you. Once again, there's no such thing you're decribing about Luffy's new KKG.

Also, Luffy named his attack KKG when it was significantly smaller than the one on DR when he was training after Udon. Thus, size isn't really an argument in your favor, especially since SKG and KKG are visually the same thing.

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Oda renamed everything... except Jet Culverin.

So this is your next argument? After everything failed, you grasp at the last straw? So SKG isn't KKG because Luffy named Jet Culverin still Jet Culverin??? Man, just log off for today. You're mentally confused.

 

[sanjikun]

Two sources translated it differently. Again, are they wrong?

Also, do you speak Japanese well? Or why do you think it's needed to speak against two translating sources like that? I hope it's not "weeb Japanese" or some cringe bullshit like that.



That's your translation; the official one is still different.

I don't know your actual Japanese knowledge, so I'll keep on sticking to the official translation.



There's no such move though.

Again, read what Eten said about this one:

"The kanjis are 覇猿王銃, literal translation would be Supreme Monkey King Gun

In comparison, KG is Monkey King Gun猿王銃
KKG is Great Monkey King Gun大猿王銃"

I realised that you try to give a meaning to 'King Kong' but the actual kanji is still not "Large Ape" or what you're trying to prove here. It simply has a different meaning, thus Eten's and the official translation. The kanji of King Cobra is also 'King Snake'.



Elephant Gun is just Giant Pistol with hardening. Roc Gun is just Elephant Gun with ACoC and G2.

According to you, SKG isn't KKG, despite being the same move. Roc Gun isn't the same to EG for whatever reasons. You nitpick panels whenever you like and insult users when they disagree. Seriously, you're mentally deranged. Get a life.

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It doesn't. SKG is the new KKG. KKG neither is slower nor it is bigger than SKG.
Again, making up random stuff. Also funny:



You're such a disgusting individual that you don't even realise your own mistakes and try to blame those appealing common sense and logic to you. Once again, there's no such thing you're decribing about Luffy's new KKG.

Also, Luffy named his attack KKG when it was significantly smaller than the one on DR when he was training after Udon. Thus, size isn't really an argument in your favor, especially since SKG and KKG are visually the same thing.

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So this is your next argument? After everything failed, you grasp at the last straw? So SKG isn't KKG because Luffy named Jet Culverin still Jet Culverin??? Man, just log off for today. You're mentally confused.

Yes, that is my argument. Because there is no renaming.

Luffy used

Elephant Gun with ACoA -> Still Elephant Gun. Red Roc was with ACoA.
All Boundman moves with ACoA -> Still same name.
Jet Culverin with ACoC -> Still same name.

These are fundamentally different moves. In fact, I was theorizing for a "hybrid" Boundman set of moves and voila.

And ask anyone who speaks Japanese

Great Ape/Great Serpent a.k.a. King Kong and Orochi are actual animals. You can't break apart those Kanji like some of you are doing.

大蛇 -> Great Serpent A.k.a. Orochi

大猿 -> Great Ape A.K.a. King Kong (Oozaru)

Over Kong is just a glorified KG. I bet he has an Over KKG.