Powers & Abilities Did Luffy just use his ultimate attack on Kaido?
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Supreme Kong Gun can't even hold up to Zoro's CoC-less attacks. ZZK is inevitable, seeing how it's impossible for Luffy to knock Kaido out (though knocking out wouldn't even equate stopping his reign). Oda foreshadowed it by saying, it would be boring if Kaido goes down just because Luffy's punch is so strong.
Kaido got:
- The best durable body in the world
- Very powerful stats in base, zoan and hybrid
- Has a "slim" and "bulky" mode in hybrid
- Due to the drunken style, Kaido quickly adapts to different fighting styles without issues, ie against Luffy's Roc Gatling, his Hydra and so on.
In terms of Haki we thought Kaido is rather build on pure physical stats and zoan abilities but the truth is, Kaido has:
- Ryuo
- Advanced CoC, Ryuo is the requirement to imbue your attacks with CoC in the first place
- Future Sight, he didn't even need to use it before but since Snake Man had such unorthodox attack patterns, he decided to use FS and counter it with his Stealing Drunk Mode.
Kaido is already very skilled in Zoan and Hybrid Mode. Why Zoan? Because Kaido recently slowed a much smaller Zoan Dragon version in which he imitated Snake Man's fighting style and quickly dodged all attacks and also managed to bite him.
His Hybrid has various forms due to the Drunken Style but he has basically the same mastery like Lucci's Hybrid, having the slim and bulky version.
There is clearly a pattern in Luffy's last 3 villains, including Kaido: Doflamingo (1st one) demonstrated great DF mastery and demonstrated Awakening at last. Katakuri (2nd one) is basically Doflamingo but better; more versatile CQC awakening techniques like peerless donuts and better hardening and FS on top of it. And now, we have Kaido who's a far better Katakuri version with higher armament Haki, Ryuo and plus ACoC which Katakuri didn't possess. Now Kaido has to show a more destructive awakening than Katakuri and the pattern is clear as day.
When it comes to awakening:
Kaido >>> Katakuri > Doflamingo.
There's only one contradiction: Kaido's stats and feats are much better than the previous opponents since he's a much higher obstacle to Luffy. How many times did Luffy lose the battle because he was simply too weak? He needed one TS PU to beat a weakened Doflamingo. He needed a completely new PU (FS) and a new TS PU to defeat Katakuri.
Against Kaido? Luffy got a physical boost due to training with seacuffs in Udon, he got penetration Haki and thus two PUs making him significantly stronger. Yet he got destroyed by Kaido. Now he started learning ACoC, then got stomped again. After mastering ACoC quickly, he still couldn't bring Kaido down even after hitting a very weakened Kaido, who had a gauntlet of 15 powerful people including 5 rooftop supernovas, who started to show his powers weakening because he struggles more to lift the island. And it wasn't just a powerful move, it's Luffy's current strongest finisher which he has shown, ACoC KKG/SKG. Did it heavily damage Kaido to the point in which he could barely stand up again? No, he quickly got up and speedblitzed and almost one shotted the fuck out of Luffy.
Luffy will need awakening but Kaido will even counter THAT with awakening. Seriously, Kaido is a freaking beast!
Ask that sanjikun. He's butthurt Luffy didn't defeat Kaido with the same technique which he used on a villain two arcs ago. He's even trying to contradict Eten's translations who speaks japanese quite fluently lol.
- The best durable body in the world
- Very powerful stats in base, zoan and hybrid
- Has a "slim" and "bulky" mode in hybrid
- Due to the drunken style, Kaido quickly adapts to different fighting styles without issues, ie against Luffy's Roc Gatling, his Hydra and so on.
In terms of Haki we thought Kaido is rather build on pure physical stats and zoan abilities but the truth is, Kaido has:
- Ryuo
- Advanced CoC, Ryuo is the requirement to imbue your attacks with CoC in the first place
- Future Sight, he didn't even need to use it before but since Snake Man had such unorthodox attack patterns, he decided to use FS and counter it with his Stealing Drunk Mode.
Kaido is already very skilled in Zoan and Hybrid Mode. Why Zoan? Because Kaido recently slowed a much smaller Zoan Dragon version in which he imitated Snake Man's fighting style and quickly dodged all attacks and also managed to bite him.
His Hybrid has various forms due to the Drunken Style but he has basically the same mastery like Lucci's Hybrid, having the slim and bulky version.
There is clearly a pattern in Luffy's last 3 villains, including Kaido: Doflamingo (1st one) demonstrated great DF mastery and demonstrated Awakening at last. Katakuri (2nd one) is basically Doflamingo but better; more versatile CQC awakening techniques like peerless donuts and better hardening and FS on top of it. And now, we have Kaido who's a far better Katakuri version with higher armament Haki, Ryuo and plus ACoC which Katakuri didn't possess. Now Kaido has to show a more destructive awakening than Katakuri and the pattern is clear as day.
When it comes to awakening:
Kaido >>> Katakuri > Doflamingo.
There's only one contradiction: Kaido's stats and feats are much better than the previous opponents since he's a much higher obstacle to Luffy. How many times did Luffy lose the battle because he was simply too weak? He needed one TS PU to beat a weakened Doflamingo. He needed a completely new PU (FS) and a new TS PU to defeat Katakuri.
Against Kaido? Luffy got a physical boost due to training with seacuffs in Udon, he got penetration Haki and thus two PUs making him significantly stronger. Yet he got destroyed by Kaido. Now he started learning ACoC, then got stomped again. After mastering ACoC quickly, he still couldn't bring Kaido down even after hitting a very weakened Kaido, who had a gauntlet of 15 powerful people including 5 rooftop supernovas, who started to show his powers weakening because he struggles more to lift the island. And it wasn't just a powerful move, it's Luffy's current strongest finisher which he has shown, ACoC KKG/SKG. Did it heavily damage Kaido to the point in which he could barely stand up again? No, he quickly got up and speedblitzed and almost one shotted the fuck out of Luffy.
Luffy will need awakening but Kaido will even counter THAT with awakening. Seriously, Kaido is a freaking beast!
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Ask that sanjikun. He's butthurt Luffy didn't defeat Kaido with the same technique which he used on a villain two arcs ago. He's even trying to contradict Eten's translations who speaks japanese quite fluently lol.
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@comrade @Sentinel @ConquistadoR
Can't denie that really everything except Luffy not being able to pronounce his final attack points torwards it being a amplified version of the KKG, just like the Supreme Kong Gun he already used against Kaido, but I'm still hoping it's not the case, because let's be honest, that be absolutely embarassing and disappointing don't you think?
The difference between Luffy's average attacks and his final/strongest attacks have always been significant,
but here I can barely spot the difference.
Can't denie that really everything except Luffy not being able to pronounce his final attack points torwards it being a amplified version of the KKG, just like the Supreme Kong Gun he already used against Kaido, but I'm still hoping it's not the case, because let's be honest, that be absolutely embarassing and disappointing don't you think?
The difference between Luffy's average attacks and his final/strongest attacks have always been significant,
but here I can barely spot the difference.
Yeah, it's embarrassing. Judging its size, it's KKG. That being said, it doesn't mean Luffy won't pull out an even bigger version of it, which he might or might not call supreme King Kong Gun, which won't be the equivalent of a CoC infused KKG but something beyond that.
Though I don't really see the point of making Kaido just eat a SKG like it is no different from all of Luffy's other attacks. Can't even tell the difference between a base CoC punch and a CoC KKG.
Note that the Kaido who received a SKG was much more weakened. Though "much more" is relative, since Kaido seems to be able to eat a limitless amount of Luffy's punches. Sure, SKG might hit water, but it's barely a difference between one drop in the bucket or a couple more.
Though I don't really see the point of making Kaido just eat a SKG like it is no different from all of Luffy's other attacks. Can't even tell the difference between a base CoC punch and a CoC KKG.
Note that the Kaido who received a SKG was much more weakened. Though "much more" is relative, since Kaido seems to be able to eat a limitless amount of Luffy's punches. Sure, SKG might hit water, but it's barely a difference between one drop in the bucket or a couple more.
I read the narrative. He wasn't able to finish it. CP0 interfered. That was the whole point of the chapter. "No excuses".
Yes, Luffy is going to beat a Yonko with a technique that he hasn't even unlocked yet.
It's not KKG. Not every bigger KG is a KKG.
Honestly tired of these arguments.
Kong Gatling isn't Kong Organ.
Roc Gun isn't Elephant Gun.
Over Kong isn't King Kong.
Same fucking arguments every 5 chapters. Oda is experimenting with size/speed tradeoffs this arc.
Yes, Luffy is going to beat a Yonko with a technique that he hasn't even unlocked yet.
@comrade @Sentinel @ConquistadoR
Can't denie that really everything except Luffy not being able to pronounce his final attack points torwards it being a amplified version of the KKG, just like the Supreme Kong Gun he already used against Kaido, but I'm still hoping it's not the case, because let's be honest, that be absolutely embarassing and disappointing don't you think?
The difference between Luffy's average attacks and his final/strongest attacks have always been significant,
but here I can barely spot the difference.
Can't denie that really everything except Luffy not being able to pronounce his final attack points torwards it being a amplified version of the KKG, just like the Supreme Kong Gun he already used against Kaido, but I'm still hoping it's not the case, because let's be honest, that be absolutely embarassing and disappointing don't you think?
The difference between Luffy's average attacks and his final/strongest attacks have always been significant,
but here I can barely spot the difference.
Honestly tired of these arguments.
Kong Gatling isn't Kong Organ.
Roc Gun isn't Elephant Gun.
Over Kong isn't King Kong.
Same fucking arguments every 5 chapters. Oda is experimenting with size/speed tradeoffs this arc.
I love the fantasy of some here. Luffy is down and out. He is fucked in terms of stamina/Haki. It was "1 more" and that's it.
But suddenly he's going to unlock awakening and beat #1 guy in One Piece with it. He's just going to have some moves/techniques ready, for a form he hasn't even unlocked.
Even if Gorosei are referring to Luffy's DF, they could be foreshadowing the next arc/last arc. Luffy all of a sudden mastering awakening to a point where he will beat Kaido with it is nonsense. At best it will be some accidental unlock and be supplementary for the last hit/s. The guy is 1% HP right now.
But suddenly he's going to unlock awakening and beat #1 guy in One Piece with it. He's just going to have some moves/techniques ready, for a form he hasn't even unlocked.
Even if Gorosei are referring to Luffy's DF, they could be foreshadowing the next arc/last arc. Luffy all of a sudden mastering awakening to a point where he will beat Kaido with it is nonsense. At best it will be some accidental unlock and be supplementary for the last hit/s. The guy is 1% HP right now.
There are two translation sources, Eten and the wiki - are both wrong or what?
Also, there exists a monkey above King Kong or whatever Large Ape it is. It's the Monkey God. It's clear Luffy comes much closer to this version than that. And the prefix to Giant was changed to Supreme which highlights the advanced version over again.
Even if you have a point about the translation - I can't judge that much, I can't speak Japanese after all despite relying on translators speaking Japanese fluently - the fact that SKG is as large as KKG and works exactly the same is highly obvious. Like, you're nitpicking the worst panels to state the contrast, then you're mad when people demonstrate common sense.
If there's a Supreme King Kong Gun, it's most likely the equivalent of King King King Kong Gun or whatever; hence the bigger version of even KKG/SKG.
What are you talking about? There are like two mythological monkey gods. And even King Kong had its parents btw.
Lol, Roc Gun IS Elephant Gun.
Also, there exists a monkey above King Kong or whatever Large Ape it is. It's the Monkey God. It's clear Luffy comes much closer to this version than that. And the prefix to Giant was changed to Supreme which highlights the advanced version over again.
Even if you have a point about the translation - I can't judge that much, I can't speak Japanese after all despite relying on translators speaking Japanese fluently - the fact that SKG is as large as KKG and works exactly the same is highly obvious. Like, you're nitpicking the worst panels to state the contrast, then you're mad when people demonstrate common sense.
If there's a Supreme King Kong Gun, it's most likely the equivalent of King King King Kong Gun or whatever; hence the bigger version of even KKG/SKG.
What are you talking about? There are like two mythological monkey gods. And even King Kong had its parents btw.
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Lol, Roc Gun IS Elephant Gun.
It is, Roc Gun is the adv version of Elephant Gun.
Elephant gun is still elephant gun, without adv CoC.
Roc Gun is a adv version of EG, but just with adv CoC.
The same counts for KKg, it is named OKG because Luffy using adv CoC in that attack.
Their is no "one last hit" think as you wanna it want to it ans wish it, Kaido vs Luffy will continue where both tanking more attacks.
Kaido is far from getting defeated, he and Luffy will use awakening, make Boundman and even his drunken mode look like amateurs, such insane will be the final clash.
If you are soo sure about Kaido is near of getting defeated by one punch and as you predict, let bet!!
If you really believe in that let bet, im pretty sure awakening will be the gamechanger, it is totally clear at this point.
Elephant gun is still elephant gun, without adv CoC.
Roc Gun is a adv version of EG, but just with adv CoC.
The same counts for KKg, it is named OKG because Luffy using adv CoC in that attack.
Their is no "one last hit" think as you wanna it want to it ans wish it, Kaido vs Luffy will continue where both tanking more attacks.
Kaido is far from getting defeated, he and Luffy will use awakening, make Boundman and even his drunken mode look like amateurs, such insane will be the final clash.
If you are soo sure about Kaido is near of getting defeated by one punch and as you predict, let bet!!
If you really believe in that let bet, im pretty sure awakening will be the gamechanger, it is totally clear at this point.