Powers & Abilities Did Luffy just use his ultimate attack on Kaido?

[Geo]

Anyway whatever Over Kong Gun was, it was Luffy's strongest attack. He made that emphasis himself just like Law made the emphasis on Puncture Wille, Kidd made the emphasis on Damned Punk and Zoro made the emphasis on Asura during Roofpiece.

There's no point arguing over whether it was KKG or not...that is irrelevant.

 

[sanjikun]

Anyway whatever Over Kong Gun was, it was Luffy's strongest attack. He made that emphasis himself just like Law made the emphasis on Puncture Wille, Kidd made the emphasis on Damned Punk and Zoro made the emphasis on Asura during Roofpiece.

It's not his strongest attack, because his plan was to finish with Hydra. Kaido just dodged.

There's no point arguing over whether it was KKG or not...that is irrelevant.

Yes, it is because we didn't see what he was trying to do in the end. It could have been an Over KKG.

He was cut off at Over... (Hence the poll)

 

[Geo]

It's not his strongest attack, because his plan was to finish with Hydra. Kaido just dodged.

No it wasn't. Go back and read this chapter. He said it is his final attack like all those characters said. You are just coping because Kaido easily dealt with the attack.

 

[sanjikun]

No it wasn't. Go back and read this chapter. He said it is his final attack like all those characters said. You are just coping because Kaido easily dealt with the attack.

What characters? Wtf are you going on about? He was planning to finish Kaido off with Hydra. Hence "I'm not going to stop until you're out".

His plan was to spam until the end, but Kaido started to dodge with FS. That's when he brought out Boundman.

 

[Geo]

What characters? Wtf are you going on about? He was planning to finish Kaido off with Hydra. Hence "I'm not going to stop until you're out".

His plan was to spam until the end, but Kaido started to dodge with FS. That's when he brought out Boundman.

And he didn't stop did he?

Go back and reread. He said it is his final attack.
stop crying and accept you were wrong. Not going to do any back and forth with you lol

 

[sanjikun]

I mean, based on what he said that should have been his last and best effort. And visually it looks like KKG, with CoC on top.

But it looked so underwhelming that I hope he still has Over KING kong gun in his arsenal. If not I guess I'm gonna have to jump on the awakening train as well.

Do you honestly think Luffy has the stamina/HP to unlock awakening and somehow beat Kaido with it?

Luffy has been KOed 3 times this battle. He'll be lucky to do 1 final attack and that's it.

I think they'll just redo the final clash to settle who is the strongest and that's it. Kinda like Garp and Chinjao, Luffy vs. Kata/Doffy, Law vs. Vergo.

My opinion is that awakening will be mostly preserved for BB. (He might unlock it here though).

 

[Sentinel]

Great Ape/Great Serpent a.k.a. King Kong and Orochi are actual animals. You can't break apart those Kanji like some of you are doing.

Except you're doing this one.

You take the kanji of Oozaru and try to equallize it with King Kong Gun.

Kanji for KKG: 大猿王銃
Kanji for King King King Kong Gun: 大大大猿王銃

The kanji "大" got replaced with "覇". It perfectly fits what Eten also described.

And I don't need to ask someone speaking Japanese; the official translation disagrees with you, as well as Eten who speaks Japanese fluently as well.

Elephant Gun with ACoA -> Still Elephant Gun. Red Roc was with ACoA.

Even if Roc Gun and EG are separated, it's not the case with KKG and SKG. You have no argument.

All Boundman moves with ACoA -> Still same name.

Read above.

In fact, I was theorizing for a "hybrid" Boundman set of moves and voila.

Another headcanon, lol.

 

[sanjikun]

And he didn't stop did he?

Go back and reread. He said it is his final attack.
stop crying and accept you were wrong. Not going to do any back and forth with you lol

How about you go back and re-read. The plan was to win with Hydra. He wasn't expecting Kaido to dodge and see the future.

 

[Geo]

How about you go back and re-read. The plan was to win with Hydra. He wasn't expecting Kaido to dodge and see the future.

The plan was to keep hitting Kaido until he run out of strength. He never said Hydra was his final attack nor did he say he was going to beat him with Hydra.

Stop writing your own manga and read one piece

 

[sanjikun]

The kanji "大" got replaced with "覇". It perfectly fits what Eten also described.

I already explained this to you 100 times.

"Ha" is an addition to Kong Gun. "大猿" is an actual animal. It's not "replaced". "大蛇 " is the same thing but instead of Great Ape/King Kong, it means Great Serpent/Orochi.

@EtenBoby

He never said Hydra was his final attack

 

[Sentinel]

"Ha" is an addition to Kong Gun. "大猿" is an actual animal. It's not "replaced".

Dude, only because a certain kanji is used to describe "Large Ape", doesn't mean the exact meaning is also for this one 大猿王銃. From what I know, kanjis have several meanings, it's far more difficult to translate it like you do. Context is important, you neglect this important factor. Just stick to the official one...

And again, Eten is the one who translated this 大猿王銃 to Great Monkey King Gun.

 

[Geo]

I already explained this to you 100 times.

"Ha" is an addition to Kong Gun. "大猿" is an actual animal. It's not "replaced". "大蛇 " is the same thing but instead of Great Ape/King Kong, it means Great Serpent/Orochi.

@EtenBoby

Even this translation does not say anything about using only Hydra or it being his final attack

Also Read the Viz.
Like I said, no where did Luffy say Hydra was his final attack nor he was beating Kaido with Hydra.

stop projecting your headcanon

 

[sanjikun]

Dude, only because a certain kanji is used to describe "Large Ape", doesn't mean the exact meaning is also for this one 大猿王銃. From what I know, kanjis have several meanings, it's far more difficult to translate it like you do. Context is important, you neglect this important factor. Just stick to the official one...

And again, Eten is the one who translated this 大猿王銃 to Great Monkey King Gun.

Go on google.

Type 大猿

then go type

覇猿

see what shows up.

Do you want the truth or whatever suits your headcanon. I'm telling you, you can't just break it up like that. It's like in English. "Somebody" is not "some body". It's one word.

 

[Sentinel]

Go on google.

Type 大猿

then go type

覇猿

see what shows up.

For 大猿王銃, I get: Great Monkey King Gun.
For 大猿 I get: Big Monkey.

Both Google translation.

Again, you fail to realise kanjis have a context and several meanings.

You are telling me I'm breaking up words when it's you using two different words to suit your agenda. What a joke.

Do you want the truth or whatever suits your headcanon.

Don't be retarded. I'm using official translation. You're using headcanon.

I can also post Eten's post again, there's an order between KG, KKG and SKG:

"The kanjis are 覇猿王銃, literal translation would be Supreme Monkey King Gun
In comparison, KG is Monkey King Gun猿王銃
KKG is Great Monkey King Gun大猿王銃"

Again, you're the one making a fuss over it.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

@Sentinel stop wasting ur time Dude , that Doffy stan won't stop claiming his bs

 

[Veku]

Well, Kaido is simply that much of a beast.
Also, although there's no big difference between Kong Rifle or SKG, the latter really yeeted Dragon Kaido immediately on the ground despite Kaido being high up the air.

We know since Dressrosa that a basic Kong Gun is nothing compared to a KKG, so the amplified versions (or similar attacks) should work like that as well, yeeting Kaido on the ground and pushing him a few meters more back is not emphasizing the difference of strength of these attacks at all....

 

[comrade]

It comes down to whether Oda sees a difference between Monkey and Ape here, since the words great are used with both. Plus, if I understand correctly, there isn't even a distinction between Monkey and Ape in the first place. And Supreme sounds better than just great. As for the size, the first SKG literally was at least as big as the KKG used in Dressrosa. Arguably, the SKG was slightly larger, as Luffy's main body looks smaller as compared to the fist.

And the fist of the second Supreme move looked exactly as big as the Supreme Kong Gun he hit Dragon Kaido with. But then again, he might or might not pull out yet another King version of that, which would look like the humongous fist he used against Douglas Bullet.

SKG = CoC KKG.
SKKG = CoC larger KKG (like Super Saiyajin God Super Saiyajin).

Seems like he didn't invent that move yet though.

 

[Halyup]

It comes down to whether Oda sees a difference between Monkey and Ape here, since the words great are used with both. Plus, if I understand correctly, there isn't even a distinction between Monkey and Ape in the first place. And Supreme sounds better than just great. As for the size, the first SKG literally was at least as big as the KKG used in Dressrosa. Arguably, the SKG was slightly larger, as Luffy's main body looks smaller as compared to the fist.

And the fist of the second Supreme move looked exactly as big as the Supreme Kong Gun he hit Dragon Kaido with. But then again, he might or might not pull out yet another King version of that, which would look like the humongous fist he used against Douglas Bullet.

SKG = CoC KKG.
SKKG = CoC larger KKG (like Super Saiyajin God Super Saiyajin).

Seems like he didn't invent that move yet though.

Luffystans are now clingin on him havin awakening haha
If he doesnt have it nxt chapter . Its over for him

 

[Sentinel]

SKKG = CoC larger KKG (like Super Saiyajin God Super Saiyajin).

What if it's something like Supreme Great Monkey King Gun? Yet again, if Luffy can't do much with SKG, how's that a gamechanger? I doubt this attack will put Kaido down.

There are recently great theories about Luffy's true DF and his awakening, both being related to oil and real weaponry such as real cannons which are explosive. I think what Luffy lacks is more power. He has the hax to bypass Kaido's dragon scales, yet it isn't enough. He used his trumpcard and it's still too weak. But what if Luffy comes up with destructive techniques which are legitimate island buster worthy?

This theory ain't bad as well. Either way, Luffy unlocking awakening or traits of his true DF powers are highly likely at this point.

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Luffystans are now clingin on him havin awakening haha
If he doesnt have it nxt chapter . Its over for him

Um what? Luffy loses and then Kaido kills everyone? It's already set in stone Kaido's gonna lose to Luffy but the how is important. Awakening is a key factor.

 

[Patryipe]

Do you honestly think Luffy has the stamina/HP to unlock awakening and somehow beat Kaido with it?

Luffy has been KOed 3 times this battle. He'll be lucky to do 1 final attack and that's it.

I think they'll just redo the final clash to settle who is the strongest and that's it. Kinda like Garp and Chinjao, Luffy vs. Kata/Doffy, Law vs. Vergo.

My opinion is that awakening will be mostly preserved for BB. (He might unlock it here though).

No. I also think awakening is reserved for BB. But that means he needs to have over KKG, because he ain't cutting it with over KG unless Kaido meanwhile takes another beating (by who though?).