General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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You just disqualified yourself as an analyst. I don't care about Carrot vs Yamato at this point, because everyone picked their side and no one's changing it, but I'm going to call you out when you pretend to be an expert and then clearly show you don't know what you're talking about.
There is literally no way you have a degree in cinematography if you think Carrot is at the center of the line of sight here. I gave you the benefit of the doubt before, but now I straight up think you're lying. Either that or you are so biased that you're knowingly spreading false information. Jinbei is at the center of the line of sight here. Just because Carrot happens to be in between Jinbei and some of the others doesn't mean they're looking at her. This is 100% Jinbei's pannel, both design wise and plot wise. It's completely about him. The fact that you look at this and think Carrot is the one being highlighted proves both your bias, and your ineptitude for analysis. Stop pretending to know about this stuff. There are people in this thread who are actually educated.
Should have waited to post until I saw this. Yeah, the person who drew this definitely has no degree in cinematography. This is just fucking embarassing. Post this in a cinemetography student reddit page and watch their reaction. Drop the bullshit, you just googled line of sight AT BEST.
There is literally no way you have a degree in cinematography if you think Carrot is at the center of the line of sight here. I gave you the benefit of the doubt before, but now I straight up think you're lying. Either that or you are so biased that you're knowingly spreading false information. Jinbei is at the center of the line of sight here. Just because Carrot happens to be in between Jinbei and some of the others doesn't mean they're looking at her. This is 100% Jinbei's pannel, both design wise and plot wise. It's completely about him. The fact that you look at this and think Carrot is the one being highlighted proves both your bias, and your ineptitude for analysis. Stop pretending to know about this stuff. There are people in this thread who are actually educated.
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Here is a more accurate deconstruction of this panel:
Point of focus in Yellow
Line of sight in red
Composition construction in blue
And Focus helpers in black.
See, the problem is that I'm both a writer and an artist. I don't like to brag, but with you guyz I don't have a choice. I possesse both knowledge to understand properly storytelling AND composition to a high degree. So when someone like you or Sigran tries to put my back against the wall on storytelling with the antagonist or composition with that.. I usually bites hard.
Here is the proof that your analysis is (partially) wrong. Carrot is INDEED a focus in this panel. Not the only one, but A focus nonetheless. She is here the secondary subject. Much like a hidden clew.
In a panel of this importance, this is not normal. This is in fact really odd and SHOULD raises eyebrows.
Oh Btw! I forgot to add that Carrot's head (and the sun of Jinbe) are PRECISELY at the center of this panel.
Point of focus in Yellow
Line of sight in red
Composition construction in blue
And Focus helpers in black.
See, the problem is that I'm both a writer and an artist. I don't like to brag, but with you guyz I don't have a choice. I possesse both knowledge to understand properly storytelling AND composition to a high degree. So when someone like you or Sigran tries to put my back against the wall on storytelling with the antagonist or composition with that.. I usually bites hard.
Here is the proof that your analysis is (partially) wrong. Carrot is INDEED a focus in this panel. Not the only one, but A focus nonetheless. She is here the secondary subject. Much like a hidden clew.
In a panel of this importance, this is not normal. This is in fact really odd and SHOULD raises eyebrows.
Oh Btw! I forgot to add that Carrot's head (and the sun of Jinbe) are PRECISELY at the center of this panel.
You're absolutley right here. The fact that it's supposed to be a Jinbe focused moment and panel is what kills the graphic he made.
The reason is that Jinbe is the main focus of this panel is the context behind the moment. Not only is this after his grand return after being absent for a year, it's also the first group shot of him and all of the Straw Hats since Fishman Island. With that in mind it's safe to say it's a Jinbe panel.
This is why in this panel you have every character on screen reacting to him in someway. Either by cheering, hugging, or by Sanji's gag to the ladies hugging Jinbe.
So what this panel does is that if you look at each character's reaction it leads your eyes to Jinbe's smiling face. This also includes Carrot as well as she's right next to Nami hugging Jinbe.
This means she's not a focus point here but an arrow like the rest of the characters. Because your eyes don't naturally rest on Carrot, it naturally brings them to Jinbe.
The thing is, this is still a good panel for Carrot since it has her being directly involved in a touching moment with a joining crew member. It can be used in arguments if used right. It's fine if she's not the focus of the panel here because she doesn't need to be. The part that actually matters is that she's even involved at all in a moment with crewmembers.
But the biggest mistake that @CarrotForNakama makes with this and the other panels he analyzes is that he tries way, way to hard to make Carrot more important in a panel than she actually is.
The reason is that Jinbe is the main focus of this panel is the context behind the moment. Not only is this after his grand return after being absent for a year, it's also the first group shot of him and all of the Straw Hats since Fishman Island. With that in mind it's safe to say it's a Jinbe panel.
This is why in this panel you have every character on screen reacting to him in someway. Either by cheering, hugging, or by Sanji's gag to the ladies hugging Jinbe.
So what this panel does is that if you look at each character's reaction it leads your eyes to Jinbe's smiling face. This also includes Carrot as well as she's right next to Nami hugging Jinbe.
This means she's not a focus point here but an arrow like the rest of the characters. Because your eyes don't naturally rest on Carrot, it naturally brings them to Jinbe.
The thing is, this is still a good panel for Carrot since it has her being directly involved in a touching moment with a joining crew member. It can be used in arguments if used right. It's fine if she's not the focus of the panel here because she doesn't need to be. The part that actually matters is that she's even involved at all in a moment with crewmembers.
But the biggest mistake that @CarrotForNakama makes with this and the other panels he analyzes is that he tries way, way to hard to make Carrot more important in a panel than she actually is.
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And from before he got banned until now, he never showed his artwork while dismissing my artwork, saying that he doubted whether I was a really design student, and pretend to be dumb when I asked design related questions since I thought that he knew better.
Trust me, I believe he doesn’t even know that Oda is not one of the best mangakas because his characters usually don’t follow the basic body proportions (like how Oda draws females with oversized breasts with small waist. Robin’s bra cup is even officially stated as J cup), but surely Oda has his own style of drawing his characters and I don’t mean he’s a bad mangaka just because he doesn’t follow body proportions. Oda’s unique artwork style pretty much stands out by itself
Trust me, I believe he doesn’t even know that Oda is not one of the best mangakas because his characters usually don’t follow the basic body proportions (like how Oda draws females with oversized breasts with small waist. Robin’s bra cup is even officially stated as J cup), but surely Oda has his own style of drawing his characters and I don’t mean he’s a bad mangaka just because he doesn’t follow body proportions. Oda’s unique artwork style pretty much stands out by itself
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Why would they ? Most youtubers are not analyst
There is a rule with Oda. If a fight don't matter, there is no need to show it. That was the case here with Carrot. Her fight wasn't the focal point of her action. On the contrary, her defeat was, we can see that because of the treatment of that defeat. It has impact, it has value. In that matter, the speech of Perospero is very important because he is a bad guy and Carrot a good one. This must not be ignored. This defeat will come into play in the arc of Carrot, must it be with a simple flashback or something more.
Nah, this was in fact a pretty basic and objective deconstruction
If you only took her lack of panel in Wano has a counter indication that she wasn't going to be one, then you ignored all that happened in whole cake. That's not called analysis, that's called blindness.
Nami doesn't nullifies anything, she is here as a focus helper, her body acts as a frame to help the reader focus on the center of the panel. Much like parenthesis. "( )"
Nah
Still no. I have my reasons. You have my profil picture which is a simple outlining. This should be enough.
Yes, her head and torso.
It's called an analysis. Yamato is not impressed here by Luffy, she is impressed by the fact that the fight is similar to the fight between Roger and Whitebeard.
Strawhats don't follow Luffy because of what he said or what he is. They follow Luffy because of what he does. Luffy made them believed in him. They made they believe in miracle. That's why Yamato as yes to be impressed with Luffy that way, and that's why I'm waiting for Carrot to have this exact reaction in front of Joy Boy in the next three chapters.
I was nice to you until now but again, if you keep on with the same toxicity as the other, this respect will fade away real quick.
She is not at the center of the line of sight, she A subject of the lines of sight. In fact all the left ones, while all the right ones are pointing toward Jinbe's face.
No false information here, just pure composition deconstruction. Just like I did when I explained to you what the role of an antagonist was. But like you that personn did not believed me.. why ? Because they are either biased or not have enough knowledge about said subject. In an image, you should learn that there is not only one subject all the time. In fact sometimes, there are a few. That's why the composition, the line of sight and the sight directive lines are important: To MOVE the eyes where the Author wants you to see. In this panel it's: Jinbe's face > Luffy > Carrot > The strawhats. It can also be Jinbe's face > Luffy > The strawhats > Carrot, depending on your eyes and priorities.
The fact is, Carrot is a subject in this image. Because of the composition wether you like it or not.
Omg..
No he is not.
Never said the opposite, but it's also a strawhat panel before everything. Because of CONTEXT.
She is. Not the main one, but A point of focus. As a Carrot fan, I'm very much dissapointed in your analysis here.. You look like more like a Yamato propagandist that anything..
She is in the CENTER of this panel my boy. Try to take a hint.
Yup, if you don't like that, try looking at the panel again
Lmao What is that take ?
There is a rule with Oda. If a fight don't matter, there is no need to show it. That was the case here with Carrot. Her fight wasn't the focal point of her action. On the contrary, her defeat was, we can see that because of the treatment of that defeat. It has impact, it has value. In that matter, the speech of Perospero is very important because he is a bad guy and Carrot a good one. This must not be ignored. This defeat will come into play in the arc of Carrot, must it be with a simple flashback or something more.
Nah, this was in fact a pretty basic and objective deconstruction
If you only took her lack of panel in Wano has a counter indication that she wasn't going to be one, then you ignored all that happened in whole cake. That's not called analysis, that's called blindness.
Nami doesn't nullifies anything, she is here as a focus helper, her body acts as a frame to help the reader focus on the center of the panel. Much like parenthesis. "( )"
Nah
Still no. I have my reasons. You have my profil picture which is a simple outlining. This should be enough.
Yes, her head and torso.
It's called an analysis. Yamato is not impressed here by Luffy, she is impressed by the fact that the fight is similar to the fight between Roger and Whitebeard.
Strawhats don't follow Luffy because of what he said or what he is. They follow Luffy because of what he does. Luffy made them believed in him. They made they believe in miracle. That's why Yamato as yes to be impressed with Luffy that way, and that's why I'm waiting for Carrot to have this exact reaction in front of Joy Boy in the next three chapters.
I was nice to you until now but again, if you keep on with the same toxicity as the other, this respect will fade away real quick.
She is not at the center of the line of sight, she A subject of the lines of sight. In fact all the left ones, while all the right ones are pointing toward Jinbe's face.
No false information here, just pure composition deconstruction. Just like I did when I explained to you what the role of an antagonist was. But like you that personn did not believed me.. why ? Because they are either biased or not have enough knowledge about said subject. In an image, you should learn that there is not only one subject all the time. In fact sometimes, there are a few. That's why the composition, the line of sight and the sight directive lines are important: To MOVE the eyes where the Author wants you to see. In this panel it's: Jinbe's face > Luffy > Carrot > The strawhats. It can also be Jinbe's face > Luffy > The strawhats > Carrot, depending on your eyes and priorities.
The fact is, Carrot is a subject in this image. Because of the composition wether you like it or not.
Omg..
No he is not.
Never said the opposite, but it's also a strawhat panel before everything. Because of CONTEXT.
She is. Not the main one, but A point of focus. As a Carrot fan, I'm very much dissapointed in your analysis here.. You look like more like a Yamato propagandist that anything..
She is in the CENTER of this panel my boy. Try to take a hint.
Usopp and Robin are looking at Carrot?.. 
What the actual fuck...
As for Sanji he's clearly gazing upon Nami-san, he doesn't care about Carrot..
What the actual fuck...
As for Sanji he's clearly gazing upon Nami-san, he doesn't care about Carrot..
Lmao What is that take ?
Even a 1 year old kid knows that One Piece’s characters are mostly humans, even the main characters of Straw Hats are mostly humans. If you’re an artist, you surely know that Oda doesn’t fully follow body proportions even to the human characters. You don’t see it? Then you’re not just dumb, illiterate, delusional, but blind as well
Oh and you intentionally ignoring the previous paragraph. I’m still waiting for your artwork though. Or, putting default Carrot’s colored introduction illustration and cropping Straw Hat on her is the best artwork you can do? Then you surely all bark no bite.
:cheers:
Oh and you intentionally ignoring the previous paragraph. I’m still waiting for your artwork though. Or, putting default Carrot’s colored introduction illustration and cropping Straw Hat on her is the best artwork you can do? Then you surely all bark no bite.
:cheers:
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Why would they ? Most youtubers are not analyst
There is a rule with Oda. If a fight don't matter, there is no need to show it. That was the case here with Carrot. Her fight wasn't the focal point of her action. On the contrary, her defeat was, we can see that because of the treatment of that defeat. It has impact, it has value. In that matter, the speech of Perospero is very important because he is a bad guy and Carrot a good one. This must not be ignored. This defeat will come into play in the arc of Carrot, must it be with a simple flashback or something more.
Nah, this was in fact a pretty basic and objective deconstruction
If you only took her lack of panel in Wano has a counter indication that she wasn't going to be one, then you ignored all that happened in whole cake. That's not called analysis, that's called blindness.
Nami doesn't nullifies anything, she is here as a focus helper, her body acts as a frame to help the reader focus on the center of the panel. Much like parenthesis. "( )"
Nah
Still no. I have my reasons. You have my profil picture which is a simple outlining. This should be enough.
Yes, her head and torso.
It's called an analysis. Yamato is not impressed here by Luffy, she is impressed by the fact that the fight is similar to the fight between Roger and Whitebeard.
Strawhats don't follow Luffy because of what he said or what he is. They follow Luffy because of what he does. Luffy made them believed in him. They made they believe in miracle. That's why Yamato as yes to be impressed with Luffy that way, and that's why I'm waiting for Carrot to have this exact reaction in front of Joy Boy in the next three chapters.
I was nice to you until now but again, if you keep on with the same toxicity as the other, this respect will fade away real quick.
She is not at the center of the line of sight, she A subject of the lines of sight. In fact all the left ones, while all the right ones are pointing toward Jinbe's face.
No false information here, just pure composition deconstruction. Just like I did when I explained to you what the role of an antagonist was. But like you that personn did not believed me.. why ? Because they are either biased or not have enough knowledge about said subject. In an image, you should learn that there is not only one subject all the time. In fact sometimes, there are a few. That's why the composition, the line of sight and the sight directive lines are important: To MOVE the eyes where the Author wants you to see. In this panel it's: Jinbe's face > Luffy > Carrot > The strawhats. It can also be Jinbe's face > Luffy > The strawhats > Carrot, depending on your eyes and priorities.
The fact is, Carrot is a subject in this image. Because of the composition wether you like it or not.
Omg..
No he is not.
Never said the opposite, but it's also a strawhat panel before everything. Because of CONTEXT.
She is. Not the main one, but A point of focus. As a Carrot fan, I'm very much dissapointed in your analysis here.. You look like more like a Yamato propagandist that anything..
She is in the CENTER of this panel my boy. Try to take a hint.
Yup, if you don't like that, try looking at the panel again
Lmao What is that take ?
There is a rule with Oda. If a fight don't matter, there is no need to show it. That was the case here with Carrot. Her fight wasn't the focal point of her action. On the contrary, her defeat was, we can see that because of the treatment of that defeat. It has impact, it has value. In that matter, the speech of Perospero is very important because he is a bad guy and Carrot a good one. This must not be ignored. This defeat will come into play in the arc of Carrot, must it be with a simple flashback or something more.
Nah, this was in fact a pretty basic and objective deconstruction
If you only took her lack of panel in Wano has a counter indication that she wasn't going to be one, then you ignored all that happened in whole cake. That's not called analysis, that's called blindness.
Nami doesn't nullifies anything, she is here as a focus helper, her body acts as a frame to help the reader focus on the center of the panel. Much like parenthesis. "( )"
Nah
Still no. I have my reasons. You have my profil picture which is a simple outlining. This should be enough.
Yes, her head and torso.
It's called an analysis. Yamato is not impressed here by Luffy, she is impressed by the fact that the fight is similar to the fight between Roger and Whitebeard.
Strawhats don't follow Luffy because of what he said or what he is. They follow Luffy because of what he does. Luffy made them believed in him. They made they believe in miracle. That's why Yamato as yes to be impressed with Luffy that way, and that's why I'm waiting for Carrot to have this exact reaction in front of Joy Boy in the next three chapters.
I was nice to you until now but again, if you keep on with the same toxicity as the other, this respect will fade away real quick.
She is not at the center of the line of sight, she A subject of the lines of sight. In fact all the left ones, while all the right ones are pointing toward Jinbe's face.
No false information here, just pure composition deconstruction. Just like I did when I explained to you what the role of an antagonist was. But like you that personn did not believed me.. why ? Because they are either biased or not have enough knowledge about said subject. In an image, you should learn that there is not only one subject all the time. In fact sometimes, there are a few. That's why the composition, the line of sight and the sight directive lines are important: To MOVE the eyes where the Author wants you to see. In this panel it's: Jinbe's face > Luffy > Carrot > The strawhats. It can also be Jinbe's face > Luffy > The strawhats > Carrot, depending on your eyes and priorities.
The fact is, Carrot is a subject in this image. Because of the composition wether you like it or not.
Omg..
No he is not.
Never said the opposite, but it's also a strawhat panel before everything. Because of CONTEXT.
She is. Not the main one, but A point of focus. As a Carrot fan, I'm very much dissapointed in your analysis here.. You look like more like a Yamato propagandist that anything..
She is in the CENTER of this panel my boy. Try to take a hint.
Yup, if you don't like that, try looking at the panel again
Lmao What is that take ?
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