General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Right now carrot4nakama moving goalposted by saying this
"- Carrot doesn't need her own arc
"- Carrot doesn't need her own arc
- Carrot doesn't need a tragic past
- Carrot doesn't need Luffy to defeat her main villain/antagonist
- Carrot doesn't need to have panel time
- Carrot doesn't need to fight against someone relevant in the Beast Pirates
- Carrot doesn't need to have fights not off-screened "
- Carrot doesn't mystery that surrounded her character
- Carrot doesn't need epic speech that highlights her character moving forward
Which % would you give to Carrot joining the crew formally and permanently before Wano ends exactly , if you had to place your bet? 🤔
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Carrot and Wanda slashing Perospero wasn't "the fight" it was Carrot and wanda introducing themself. The fight came after that introduction. Let's not twist Oda's writing just to fit an agenda, don't start to do like those guys for the love of Oda.
I use precise words, those have meaning.
The introduction had a purpose narratively, not the fight itself.
Yup, Carrot is floating. The same way she floats back to Wanda after jumping in chapter 805. In fact this is logical coming from Oda. In volume 8, you can see that he had already pictured Rabbit flying in the air. This capacity is therefore a call back to this story.
Most of the rabbit I saw in my life weren't white but brown, and greyish.
I'm talking about real rabbits..
It's not. First because it's wrong. She is not irrelevant. Second because the lack of panel is not a negative condition for a future recruit when this recruit has already been developped previously.
Remember that the point of Carrot is not for her to be recruited at the end of Wano. It's only to JOIN the crew.
My point is that she was a white rabbit therefore an unusual mink animal and a color that STANDS OUT from the rest.
From a design perspective, it's important.
- Wrong. Carrot needs a tragic past. Or rather, a tragedy in her lifetime, this doesn't need to be in a distant past. It only needs to be impactfull for the character.
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Yup. No recruits needs Luffy to fight there own antagonist.
Wrong. She needs to have a panel time, but it doesn't needs to be on both arc. Carrot had enough panel time in whole cake to join after Wano. The passing of an arc doesn't negates what happened in another.
I don't see why she would need that to join the crew. THose two things are not related.
Yup.
She has. You are just choosing to ignore it.
Yes she needs one. But only to be recruited. Not to join the crew.
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The problem here is that you are saying a lot of wrong assertion because you are completely confusing the fact that there is a difference between a RECRUTMENT and a simple JOINING of a character in the crew.
Again.. after the 1000th times : CARROT WON'T BE RECRUITED OR OFFICIALIZED AS A STRAWHAT JUST AFTER WANO.
She will just JOIN the crew.
And that fact will be a clew for her futur officialization LATER.
All the more because of chapter 1043
And this is enough for Carrot to join the crew after Wano. But you are also forgetting:
- Carrot saving Nami and Chopper from randoph
- Carrot fighting Brulee
- Carrot oneshoting Brulee and his crew
- Carrot concquering the Mirror world with Chopper
- Carrot attacking Katakuri
- Carrot helping as a look out during the escape
- Carrot helping Sanji with his guilt
Yes those moments are not as impactfull as chapter 888, but they are still important for Carrot's character. Saying that Oda didn't gave her much is therefore not accurate.
Right now it's almost a certitude so I would say 99%. 1% Being everything that Oda can come up with explaning the strawhat Characterisation of Carrot while staying coherent with her character.
If Carrot doesn't have a flashback panel of PEdro during the fight between Luffy/Joy Boy and Kaido, then this will drop to 70%.
If Carrot has that flashback this will reach instantly 100%? as this will be the clearest clew of the connection between Carrot - Luffy - The will/words of Pedro and her future as a character.
Everything is on the line for the next few chapters.
I use precise words, those have meaning.
The introduction had a purpose narratively, not the fight itself.
Yup, Carrot is floating. The same way she floats back to Wanda after jumping in chapter 805. In fact this is logical coming from Oda. In volume 8, you can see that he had already pictured Rabbit flying in the air. This capacity is therefore a call back to this story.
Most of the rabbit I saw in my life weren't white but brown, and greyish.
I'm talking about real rabbits..
It's not. First because it's wrong. She is not irrelevant. Second because the lack of panel is not a negative condition for a future recruit when this recruit has already been developped previously.
Remember that the point of Carrot is not for her to be recruited at the end of Wano. It's only to JOIN the crew.
My point is that she was a white rabbit therefore an unusual mink animal and a color that STANDS OUT from the rest.
From a design perspective, it's important.
- Wrong. Carrot needs a tragic past. Or rather, a tragedy in her lifetime, this doesn't need to be in a distant past. It only needs to be impactfull for the character.
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Yup. No recruits needs Luffy to fight there own antagonist.
Wrong. She needs to have a panel time, but it doesn't needs to be on both arc. Carrot had enough panel time in whole cake to join after Wano. The passing of an arc doesn't negates what happened in another.
I don't see why she would need that to join the crew. THose two things are not related.
Yup.
She has. You are just choosing to ignore it.
Yes she needs one. But only to be recruited. Not to join the crew.
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The problem here is that you are saying a lot of wrong assertion because you are completely confusing the fact that there is a difference between a RECRUTMENT and a simple JOINING of a character in the crew.
Again.. after the 1000th times : CARROT WON'T BE RECRUITED OR OFFICIALIZED AS A STRAWHAT JUST AFTER WANO.
She will just JOIN the crew.
And that fact will be a clew for her futur officialization LATER.
All the more because of chapter 1043
And this is enough for Carrot to join the crew after Wano. But you are also forgetting:
- Carrot saving Nami and Chopper from randoph
- Carrot fighting Brulee
- Carrot oneshoting Brulee and his crew
- Carrot concquering the Mirror world with Chopper
- Carrot attacking Katakuri
- Carrot helping as a look out during the escape
- Carrot helping Sanji with his guilt
Yes those moments are not as impactfull as chapter 888, but they are still important for Carrot's character. Saying that Oda didn't gave her much is therefore not accurate.
Right now it's almost a certitude so I would say 99%. 1% Being everything that Oda can come up with explaning the strawhat Characterisation of Carrot while staying coherent with her character.
If Carrot doesn't have a flashback panel of PEdro during the fight between Luffy/Joy Boy and Kaido, then this will drop to 70%.
If Carrot has that flashback this will reach instantly 100%? as this will be the clearest clew of the connection between Carrot - Luffy - The will/words of Pedro and her future as a character.
Everything is on the line for the next few chapters.
1. Wrong, her saving Marco helped the alliance. Plus she was gathering weapon and supplies which helped greatly during the war
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yes we had. Robin had a LOT LESS significance before she join after Alabasta. Carrot had the entire arc of whole cake. Again. Just because there was an arc between the two doesn't negate what happened during Whole cake.
Their is a difference between a character who is officialized/recruited/asked by Luffy (Jinbe/Brook/Usopp) and a character who joined the crew (Robin before water Seven ; Nami before Arlong Park).
An official character has already made his proof both in a physical and narrative way (haaving a strong batch of chapter and a strong focus) and is already part of the acting crew as ".... the ... of the ship"
On the other hand the one who just joined the crew is not an official strawhat yet. They are just a "future" strawhat. (and we can usually tell that because the character as every thing the strawhats have) they still have to make an impression on the reader, either with a big arc centered around themself or a batch of chapters and a focus later.
Carrot will be in the second case as she will much likely stowaway. The real focus on her will come after. And only after those actions or focus .. will Carrot be considered a real strawhat.
Exactly.
The moment were Carrot and Wanda strikes Perospero is clearly out of the real fight between the three. It's the introduction of Carrot, it's the saving of Marco. It's not the brawl itself.
The same way this introduction as a different purpose, it's here to create an expectation.
Yeah.. She didn't jump, she flew. This was clear. I don't know how you people can't see that, this was even cleared by Zoro. And she even flew back to Wanda later.
Carrot can float and for you guys who love the anime so much, even PEDRO stated that she could stay a bit in the air while they were training on Zou (flashback)
Come guyz.. I know you guyz don't like carrot, but open your eyes.
yeah I don't read those kind of message. Unreadable.
For you maybe, for Carrot's characterization, they are IMPORTANT.
Not at all. From a straight purpose only Carrot's design is doing a much better work at characterizing the character. Wanda is cool, but her design is not researched at all.
You are starting to argument like those guys on this thread.. I'm really dissapointed. I thought we had something.
2.
yes we had. Robin had a LOT LESS significance before she join after Alabasta. Carrot had the entire arc of whole cake. Again. Just because there was an arc between the two doesn't negate what happened during Whole cake.
Their is a difference between a character who is officialized/recruited/asked by Luffy (Jinbe/Brook/Usopp) and a character who joined the crew (Robin before water Seven ; Nami before Arlong Park).
An official character has already made his proof both in a physical and narrative way (haaving a strong batch of chapter and a strong focus) and is already part of the acting crew as ".... the ... of the ship"
On the other hand the one who just joined the crew is not an official strawhat yet. They are just a "future" strawhat. (and we can usually tell that because the character as every thing the strawhats have) they still have to make an impression on the reader, either with a big arc centered around themself or a batch of chapters and a focus later.
Carrot will be in the second case as she will much likely stowaway. The real focus on her will come after. And only after those actions or focus .. will Carrot be considered a real strawhat.
Exactly.
The moment were Carrot and Wanda strikes Perospero is clearly out of the real fight between the three. It's the introduction of Carrot, it's the saving of Marco. It's not the brawl itself.
The same way this introduction as a different purpose, it's here to create an expectation.
Yeah.. She didn't jump, she flew. This was clear. I don't know how you people can't see that, this was even cleared by Zoro. And she even flew back to Wanda later.
Carrot can float and for you guys who love the anime so much, even PEDRO stated that she could stay a bit in the air while they were training on Zou (flashback)
Come guyz.. I know you guyz don't like carrot, but open your eyes.
yeah I don't read those kind of message. Unreadable.
For you maybe, for Carrot's characterization, they are IMPORTANT.
Not at all. From a straight purpose only Carrot's design is doing a much better work at characterizing the character. Wanda is cool, but her design is not researched at all.
You are starting to argument like those guys on this thread.. I'm really dissapointed. I thought we had something.
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