General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

U literally say something that isn't in the story making shit that wasn't foreshadowing “she now needs to face an enemy like him and win to prove to herself that she is worthy" like where do you see that in her defeat? 😂

That is what the stories implies. That doesn' t mean she has to face a giant.

Where do I see that ? In the words of Perospero "you only belong eating grass". That's wrong. Therefore Carrot will have to prove that Perospero's words are wrong. Not by defeating Perospero, but by proving to herself that she is worthy. I think this will pass through the same process she went through with PErospero but this time.. she will succeed.

It's doesn't matter cause they all worry about each other no matter what like in chapters 1043 and where Franky was worried about Zoro and Nami about Usopp

Worrying when you know that your camrad is in danger is logical. When the strawhat don't know that, they TRUST.

pedro's words about liffy bringing the dawn will confirm carrot as nakama??

Exactly. For those reasons:

The difference is that a panel of this nature for Carrot would link her to the words of PEdro and Luffy at the same times. In other words, this would be the setup for the creation of a purpose, that purpose would then be the reason for her to follow Luffy.

There is no world were a character like Carrot has a development post fight and this development doesn't become important for her character.

Everything in a story matter. If Oda makes carrot remember Luffy, this will be for a reason. In fact that would be the exact way I would do this too.

The point is too make Carrot understand the importance of Luffy. Once she understand that, she will also understand the importance of Pedro's words and the purpose of the Mink Tribe.

 

[Rootbeer]

- "Bland design" - Doesn't standout
- "Bland name" - Same name than one of the kids in Syrup village
- "Bland personality" - Stereotypes
- "Bland Lookout" - Doesn't standout
- "Mid trio strenght once a full moon" - Very very mid
- "No quirk" - One time joke is not a quirk
- "No focus" - Background character
- "Shallow bonds" - Cheerleader for Chopper and Nami
- "Mentor(Pedro) has better characterization" - Central to the plot, detailed characterization, real flashback

- "Bland design" - Doesn't standout
- "Bland name" - Same name than one of the kids in Syrup village
- "Bland personality" - Stereotypes
- "Bland Lookout" - Doesn't standout
- "Mid trio strenght once a full moon" - Very very mid
- "No quirk" - One time joke is not a quirk
- "No focus" - Background character
- "Shallow bonds" - Cheerleader for Chopper and Nami
- "Mentor(Pedro) has better characterization" - Central to the plot, detailed characterization, real flashback

 

[AL sama]

Exactly. For those reasons:

again how does any of that connects exactly??

 

[Animangaboy]

That is what the stories implies. That doesn' t mean she has to face a giant.

Where do I see that ? In the words of Perospero "you only belong eating grass". That's wrong. Therefore Carrot will have to prove that Perospero's words are wrong. Not by defeating Perospero, but by proving to herself that she is worthy. I think this will pass through the same process she went through with PErospero but this time.. she will succeed.

Hmmm, Where in the story shows that will happen? Also didn't she was jumping from enjoy when he got defeated?

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Worrying when you know that your camrad is in danger is logical. When the strawhat don't know that, they TRUST.

I never say that they don't trust each other I just saying that them worrying for each other safety okay idk why u bring trust in this

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Exactly. For those reasons

Where do u really get that from? Now, this is the same crap we are telling about you making up stuff that doesn't exist then use sexism and hate on a character when u are wrong .

 

[Logiko]

Ok let me be devils advocate here, why was it different from Law when Corazon's words rang true when Luffy beat Doffy?

again how does any of that connects exactly??

Good question!

Because the purpose is not the same. In this panels, Law is remembering the words of Corazon concerning what he said about the D.

In other words, Law is thinking about the importance of the D. not specifically Luffy. This has to be link with the grater purpose of Law: that is understanding more about himself.



On the contrary, if Carrot has that flashback of Pedro's words, the focus will be on Luffy and Luffy alone. Therefore what will be link is Pedro's word (Luffy is the chosen one), Carrot and Luffy himself.

This will make an instant connection between the three, creating the beggining of a greater purpose for Carrot and the understanding of the purpose behind her journey. Just like Jinbe learned to appreciate Luffy during his journey with him.. or Nami learned the importance of having a friend the moment Luffy called her "his Nakama" or the moment Luffy asked to say that she wanted to live.

On those very specific moments all the strawhats understood the importance of following Luffy.

Hmmm, Where in the story shows that will happen? Also didn't she was jumping from enjoy when he got defeated?

It's a narrative logic. Explaining it to you is pretty much impossible, this is something you just "feel" from experience. It doesn't mean this will happen like that, there is a lot of way that Carrotcould prove herself with.

I never say that they don't trust each other I just saying that them worrying for each other safety okay idk why u bring trust in this

Because when you trust, you don't worry. At least in One Piece.

 

[AL sama]

I never say that they don't trust each other I just saying that them worrying for each other safety okay idk why u bring trust in this

I can see why he brought it up but they do both at the same time

he wed implying carrot isn't worried cause she trusts luffy

 

[Logiko]

I can see why he brought it up but they do both at the same time

he wed implying carrot isn't worried cause she trusts luffy

Yup that was what I was implying. Carrot trust Luffy as much as the strawhat. In fact this was proved by a little panel in whole cake.

Just after she woke up from her nap after her SUlong moment. Carrot asked briefly how was doing the battle.

In those question was: "Did Luffy beat up Katakuri yet?"

This showed that Carrot trusted Luffy to beat Katakuri. We can expect the same from her here.

 

[Roo]

Good question!

Because the purpose is not the same. In this panels, Law is remembering the words of Corazon concerning what he said about the D.

In other words, Law is thinking about the importance of the D. not specifically Luffy. This has to be link with the grater purpose of Law: that is understanding more about himself.



On the contrary, if Carrot has that flashback of Pedro's words, the focus will be on Luffy and Luffy alone. Therefore what will be link is Pedro's word (Luffy is the chosen one), Carrot and Luffy himself.

This will make an instant connection between the three, creating the beggining of a greater purpose for Carrot and the understanding of the purpose behind her journey. Just like Jinbe learned to appreciate Luffy during his journey with him.. or Nami learned the importance of having a friend the moment Luffy called her "his Nakama" or the moment Luffy asked to say that she wanted to live.

On those very specific moments all the strawhats understood the importance of following Luffy.

That makes sense, is this also the moment you said the percentages will go down to 70%?

 

[Rootbeer]

don't you think our views differs a lot??

What's your view on Pedro last moments, did he try to fight Perospero seriously before blowing himself up??..

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

they trust him but also show worry for him at the same time

You brought up a great point actually, she really couldnt care less that the man C4N thinks she will call captain, lost the battle and it looks like it will cost them the war. If Oda wanted us to believe these two have any kind of relationship, hes done a terrible job showing it

 

[Logiko]

That makes sense, is this also the moment you said the percentages will go down to 70%?

If this happen it will go up to 100%. But if this doesn't happen, yes. It will be a major blow for the CarrotForNakama theory.

Carrot understanding the importance of Luffy is a necessity for her to join the crew. Of course it can happen later (that's why it won't go down all the way to 0%, but this would be better if it happened before she stowaway). Just for you to understand how this panel is important, I'm waiting for that specific panel of Carrot looking at Luffy beating a strong ennemy .. while remembering Pedro..

.. Since the day Pedro died. This would be a deal breaker.

 

[Animangaboy]

Yup that was what I was implying. Carrot trust Luffy as much as the strawhat. In fact this was proved by a little panel in whole cake.

Just after she woke up from her nap after her SUlong moment. Carrot asked briefly how was doing the battle.

In those question was: "Did Luffy beat up Katakuri yet?"

This showed that Carrot trusted Luffy to beat Katakuri. We can expect the same from her here.

Everyone trust luffy like a straw hats Law, Kinemon Yamato Vivi and others so let's not go too far ahead

 

[Logiko]

Everyone trust luffy like a straw hats Law, Kinemon Yamato Vivi and others so let's not go too far ahead

Good point. This is why this is just a nice addition to the elements making Carrot a good candidate for the crew.

 

[Animangaboy]

Good point. This is why this is just a nice addition to the elements making Carrot a good candidate for the crew.

Meh. Okay So Is Yamato too

 

[Logiko]

Meh. Okay So Is Yamato too

Yup, this is a good point for Yamato too.

 

[Animangaboy]

Yup, this is a good point for Yamato too.

More points for Yamato idk about carrot so good for you

 

[AL sama]

Yup that was what I was implying. Carrot trust Luffy as much as the strawhat. In fact this was proved by a little panel in whole cake.

Just after she woke up from her nap after her SUlong moment. Carrot asked briefly how was doing the battle.

In those question was: "Did Luffy beat up Katakuri yet?"

This showed that Carrot trusted Luffy to beat Katakuri. We can expect the same from her here.

if you say luffy's crew doesn't worry about him cause they trust him then that'd be wrong

having faith in luffy never stopped them from worrying but they keep believing in him till the very end

if you take that as them not worrying about luffy then that's a very wrong take by you

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What's your view on Pedro last moments, did he try to fight Perospero seriously before blowing himself up??..

if I m not forgetting things pedro was heavily injured how could he have fought properly??

he blew himself up cause he didn't have much time left and wanted to do what he believed to be the right choice

 

[Ravagerblade]

Carrot doesn't need to have actual dialogue and not small little nothing comments?
She isn't driving the story forward or any narratives. She's a barely there character, Franky had way more going for him when he was being an antagonist.
Yamato meanwhile does.

 

[Finalbeta]

Yamato joining is worthy alone for all the entertaining interactions she will end up having with Zoro.

 

[Lhulu]

Here is a more accurate deconstruction of this panel:

Point of focus in Yellow
Line of sight in red
Composition construction in blue
And Focus helpers in black.

See, the problem is that I'm both a writer and an artist. I don't like to brag, but with you guyz I don't have a choice. I possesse both knowledge to understand properly storytelling AND composition to a high degree. So when someone like you or Sigran tries to put my back against the wall on storytelling with the antagonist or composition with that.. I usually bites hard.

Here is the proof that your analysis is (partially) wrong. Carrot is INDEED a focus in this panel. Not the only one, but A focus nonetheless. She is here the secondary subject. Much like a hidden clew.

In a panel of this importance, this is not normal. This is in fact really odd and SHOULD raises eyebrows.

Oh Btw! I forgot to add that Carrot's head (and the sun of Jinbe) are PRECISELY at the center of this panel.

That's one of the biggest mental gymnastics I've ever seen in that forum, no cap.